Burgerwcheese Posted October 9, 2018 #1 Posted October 9, 2018 Before I get into this I am posting this because I simply want to hear other peoples thoughts. Also yes the site uses provability fair that a few seem to think means its impossible for the house to cheat/scam/whatever you wanna call it. If you lost 1000 hands of blackjack in a row, you wouldn't think anything of it cause there's no way for the house to fudge with the final outcome....ha.... Been playing some Hilo last 48 hours, first few hours went well, was having play smart and Chang up bets and pretty much just getting a good feel for it....them the last 250 games or so I think I've had 9 wins and I'm not trying too score 200x every hand. I cant even get 1 cards right suddenly. And yes I've changed server and client seed a few times now actually. Again I'm not trying to hate post on stake and I'm not trying to be a crybaby little beotch. Just wanna see what my piers have to say as I'm sure things have already been talked about and experienced by many. Screen shots below are all back to back no pages missing. And yes I know there's bad luck and what not but this is way beyond that.
Snike Posted October 9, 2018 #2 Posted October 9, 2018 Over the last few months I've noticed some things as well. Whenever you start playing with a certain amount and you start winning and winning, there's a certain moment when you reach like a limit of either playtime or profit. From that moment on stake turns completely negative, no matter what game you play, no matter how big your multiplier is. Stake will make you lose your whole balance. That has nothing to do with my mindset while playing or me not being able to stop. A casino with a fair seed should stay the same at ALL times. Stake doesn't. Stake changes its behavior after some time and I know I'm not the single player noticing that. No hate speech against stake, I absolutely love stake. Just pointing it out.
Support Katarina Posted October 9, 2018 Support #3 Posted October 9, 2018 Hello. Many of you are complaining about losing and Stake being rigged and what now. Do you guys understand that this is a gambling website? The outcome depends on your choices and luck and the casino CANNOT influence NOR change them. You have a transparent verification system on our website and you also have an Open-Source third-party verification. If you don't know how Provably Fair system works, google it or consult one of us here (or check More>Fairness). Feel free to rotate seed pairs if you think someone is doing something with the seed pair you are using (???). If you don't believe in Provably Fair system...then whatever we say will mean nothing to you, no matter how hard we try to help and explain. About your bets @Burgerwcheese, you have bets where you played low on 3, low on A, low on 2 and similar which gives you a lower chance of winning. You can check the chance of winning the desired choice, so you may want to pay attention to that as well. Let us know if you have any additional questions. Have a nice day!
rebol Posted October 9, 2018 #4 Posted October 9, 2018 dam thats alot of losses not sure what your bets are like though . if you go against the grain everytime then im not really suprised but if not then idk . but i feel you bro trust me i feel ya .
Burgerwcheese Posted October 9, 2018 Author #5 Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Katarina said: Hello. Many of you are complaining about losing and Stake being rigged and what now. Do you guys understand that this is a gambling website? The outcome depends on your choices and luck and the casino CANNOT influence NOR change them. You have a transparent verification system on our website and you also have an Open-Source third-party verification. If you don't know how Provably Fair system works, google it or consult one of us here (or check More>Fairness). Feel free to rotate seed pairs if you think someone is doing something with the seed pair you are using (???). If you don't believe in Provably Fair system...then whatever we say will mean nothing to you, no matter how hard we try to help and explain. About your bets @Burgerwcheese, you have bets where you played low on 3, low on A, low on 2 and similar which gives you a lower chance of winning. You can check the chance of winning the desired choice, so you may want to pay attention to that as well. Let us know if you have any additional questions. Have a nice day! I usually always play the safe bet except on Ace or king I always go for that. I know the owner of another website and he is also certified by the crypto foundation and he's exolained the whole thing to me when I first got into crypto gambling. Personally I feel like years of playing in real casinos has spoiled me because a computer and formulas can't compare. But even so I think I'm negative profit wise for every game along with every currency lol. Yes it is gambling and you are gonna lose, I've had my fair share and more, I laugh when I lose...but when you got 30, 35, 40 games straight it doesn't even feel like gambling. I just wanted to see what othets thought, I'm here Damn near 24/7 go through my bets and look at times and I probably haven't gonna longer than 15 mins without a bet each day. I like the site for the most part and support is amazing. Some mod muted me for 6 hrs after I tipped someone amd said i was offering doubling service or some shit, other tbank that all good. 1 hour ago, rebol said: dam thats alot of losses not sure what your bets are like though . if you go against the grain everytime then im not really suprised but if not then idk . but i feel you bro trust me i feel ya . only time I really play the low % is same bet on ace or king. If I don't it'll be drawn and if I do it won't lol. Damned if I do damned if I don't.
rack001 Posted October 9, 2018 #6 Posted October 9, 2018 It's Just luck and maths to be correct . You can theoretically have infinite Reds on even the safest bet and have large amount of greens on a risky bet . Hilo depends more on luck as you choose where the next card will be ,so hilo games can be continuous gg and continuous busts too . 1 hour ago, Burgerwcheese said: Some mod muted me for 6 hrs after I tipped someone amd said i was offering doubling service or some shit, other tbank that all good. And We are a lil strict on chat and forum rules as to keep the community clean and active . So be careful to follow the rules so you dont break em !
dmbadillo10 Posted October 9, 2018 #7 Posted October 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Burgerwcheese said: Before I get into this I am posting this because I simply want to hear other peoples thoughts. Also yes the site uses provability fair that a few seem to think means its impossible for the house to cheat/scam/whatever you wanna call it. If you lost 1000 hands of blackjack in a row, you wouldn't think anything of it cause there's no way for the house to fudge with the final outcome....ha.... Been playing some Hilo last 48 hours, first few hours went well, was having play smart and Chang up bets and pretty much just getting a good feel for it....them the last 250 games or so I think I've had 9 wins and I'm not trying too score 200x every hand. I cant even get 1 cards right suddenly. And yes I've changed server and client seed a few times now actually. Again I'm not trying to hate post on stake and I'm not trying to be a crybaby little beotch. Just wanna see what my piers have to say as I'm sure things have already been talked about and experienced by many. Screen shots below are all back to back no pages missing. And yes I know there's bad luck and what not but this is way beyond that. When I play HILO, this happens to me, like 3 or 5 times, betting on the side that has higher percentage of winning. When I get this bad streak, I stop. I refresh. Even log out and change seeds. But like what Katarina mentioned above, we can verify the bets. Also was mentioned above, I also agree.. On any site.. Seems that if you are betting on a certain range of amount, you'll win or lose at some point, like theres limit. I dont know.
Burgerwcheese Posted October 9, 2018 Author #8 Posted October 9, 2018 In the last 20 mins I just lost another 78/80 Hilo games so lost all my btc I deposited lol. And Katarina was talking about playing safe...I play the higher % most of the time but it doesn't even help and when I don't play the ace or king big bets this happens (photos below of the only two times I did not play them and how Fkin convenient) So out of the last 160-170 I've won 10 games lol. I'm literally laughing and waiting for Ashton Kutcher to come around the corner saying I'm on Punk'd
williamshennie9 Posted October 9, 2018 #9 Posted October 9, 2018 I often get 5000 reds in a row on dice when I hunt 9800x. You can easily get this on hilo if you are hoping for AAAA or KKKK, so I see no problem with all those reds.
Jakubb Posted October 9, 2018 #10 Posted October 9, 2018 Hello, don't worry, nothings a scam or rigged. We do have a provably fair system, as Katarina stated above. Always please just remember, that if you wish to hit 10x on Dice, you could lose 1000 times. You always only have 10% and you always have a new roll. The odds are always 1/10. I hope you get the point. We always experience losing streaks but same we do with winning streaks. You see, it may seem incredibly scummy and impossible, but that's how it works. That's just maths and odds. Have a great day.
dmbadillo10 Posted October 9, 2018 #11 Posted October 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Kuba said: Hello, don't worry, nothings a scam or rigged. We do have a provably fair system, as Katarina stated above. Always please just remember, that if you wish to hit 10x on Dice, you could lose 1000 times. You always only have 10% and you always have a new roll. The odds are always 1/10. I hope you get the point. We always experience losing streaks but same we do with winning streaks. You see, it may seem incredibly scummy and impossible, but that's how it works. That's just maths and odds. Have a great day. I agree with this. Its not like you can calculate this mathematically. I mean, using percentage of chances of winning. Good example is what you said about trying to hit 10x. There's always 1 out 10 chances that you could get green. Also considering a new roll every time you bet. Same chances of winning every other roll. This is because the site uses seeds to generate the rolls.
wry Posted October 9, 2018 #12 Posted October 9, 2018 I always play safe on High Low and almost always lose, guess what, I stopped playing high low. The site is not cheating me. The site is provably fair and there are tutorials on the forum that can show you how to verify your bets if you are willing to exert a little effort. Check a few of your bets, did they check out? If not, then all it will take to take down Stake is a single post on Bitcointalk. Stake knows this, they make far more by not cheating players than they ever would cheating you.
hunter Posted October 10, 2018 #13 Posted October 10, 2018 In my opinion it's a matter of luck since stake.com is one of the crypto casino's that is 100 % manipulation free . It is not your day so don't blame the site for any losses it's players responsible .
AlGoreRhythm Posted October 10, 2018 #14 Posted October 10, 2018 Katarina is funny. The Provably fair system is basically telling you the software works properly,...that's it. All that the work that is checked comes AFTER the hashing, right? Well, what if the software limits/restricts the the outcomes (say, no HUGE wins) BEFORE the hashing? what then? In your dealer with the deck of cards analogy, you are given an incomplete deck to cut. I cannot prove ANY of this. I apply common sense and watch/observe a LOT.
Etude Posted October 10, 2018 #15 Posted October 10, 2018 Well the point in case is the elusive game of Hi-Lo. It is as some has said there is the tendency of one to follow the better chances/odds of cards selection which actually leads to losses more often than one would expect given the displayed chances. (e.g higher than A or lower than K which gives an effective 1.07x multiplier but a loss when A>A or K>K happens.) For me the way I found to actually win Hi-Lo in the long run is to maintain a fixed basebet grinding out extreme multipliers patiently. (at least 100x or more the better to overcome initial losses) In order to do you would need either consecutive large multiplier hits such as Q>K>K or a very long string of lower to moderate multiplier cards adding up in order to stack up the multiplier to a decent extent.
Dan Posted October 10, 2018 #16 Posted October 10, 2018 Lets get a few things sorted on this topic. First, posting a screenshot of you losing on HiLo over and over isn't anything valuable for the discussion, you aren't disclosing the bet ID's for su to investigate how you lost. Its not until later in the topic discussion do you leave responses with 2 cases where you got unlucky. 2 cases that are a 1/13 chance on possibility! Not once did you show the 12/13 times that you actually got that guess right..... If you want to make an argument about fairness, you need to provide all the information. EDIT: I'm removing all the useless screenshots from your original topic, as they don't have any value in the discussion. They don't show you guessing wrong or the bet ID and it took me forever to scroll down the page to participate in the discussion. Please provide the bet ID's for all those losses or I can check the DB and grab them all, but I rather not embarrass you.
Burgerwcheese Posted October 10, 2018 Author #17 Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Dan said: Lets get a few things sorted on this topic. First, posting a screenshot of you losing on HiLo over and over isn't anything valuable for the discussion, you aren't disclosing the bet ID's for su to investigate how you lost. Its not until later in the topic discussion do you leave responses with 2 cases where you got unlucky. 2 cases that are a 1/13 chance on possibility! Not once did you show the 12/13 times that you actually got that guess right..... If you want to make an argument about fairness, you need to provide all the information. EDIT: I'm removing all the useless screenshots from your original topic, as they don't have any value in the discussion. They don't show you guessing wrong or the bet ID and it took me forever to scroll down the page to participate in the discussion. Please provide the bet ID's for all those losses or I can check the DB and grab them all, but I rather not embarrass you. Lol useless huh 😂😂😂 Oh I'm gonna provide 100s of bets of me playing the safe % and losing 1st card over and over and over. I didn't wanna have to do all that but since my screenshots are useless to a post I wrote and they pertain to MY post I guess ill have to. Seems like someone is definitely embarrassed. Glad to see that. I'm limited to what I can post pictures of.
Dan Posted October 10, 2018 #18 Posted October 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Burgerwcheese said: Lol useless huh 😂😂😂 Oh I'm gonna provide 100s of bets of me playing the safe % and losing 1st card over and over and over. I didn't wanna have to do all that but since my screenshots are useless to a post I wrote and they pertain to MY post I guess ill have to. Seems like someone is definitely embarrassed. Glad to see that. I'm limited to what I can post pictures of. Your screenshots were you losing, but didn't show the bet ID's or what hands you lost with. How is that helpful to anyone? Show us the bet ID's and we can investigate how you lost those hands.
Burgerwcheese Posted October 10, 2018 Author #19 Posted October 10, 2018 Before I get into this I am posting this because I simply want to hear other peoples thoughts. That's the 1st sentence. Then a little later Again I'm not trying to hate post on stake and I'm not trying to be a crybaby little beotch. Just wanna see what my piers have to say as I'm sure things have already been talked about and experienced by many. Sorry for asking questions and expressing my thoughts on a site I may be on more than any single other person. Check my bet times for each currency, I don't really leave...this is why I usually don't even post in forums
Dan Posted October 10, 2018 #20 Posted October 10, 2018 Lets do some investigation for you via the API: https://api.stake.com/graphql Using the following GraphQL query, we can gather your last 25 bets (unlimited if logged in as yourself) { user(name: "Burgerwcheese") { betList(limit: 25, game: hilo) { iid game payout payoutMultiplier amount } } } Here is the query result: { "data": { "user": { "betList": [ { "iid": "1009535165", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009534405", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009532849", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009532198", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009531525", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0.0000330488888888889, "payoutMultiplier": 2.06556, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009530081", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009529269", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009528263", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009527608", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009526449", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009525090", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009524411", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009523795", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009522780", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009521402", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009520663", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009520014", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009519204", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009518355", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0.000089232, "payoutMultiplier": 5.577, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009516622", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009515980", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009515355", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009514624", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009513452", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 }, { "iid": "1009512636", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016 } ] } } } Now we can look up the bets and see why you lost those bets. Rather than showing a log of lost bets, lets see what went wrong. At first glance we can see you won 2 of your last 25. Now lets dive deeper into the individual bets where you lost, so we can do some maths on probability of the outcomes. Lets now add the guesses to the query { user(name: "Burgerwcheese") { betList(limit: 50, offset: 0, game: hilo) { iid game payout payoutMultiplier amount state { ... on BetGameHilo { startCard { suit rank } rounds { card { suit rank } guess payoutMultiplier } } } } } } and get the results { "data": { "user": { "betList": [ { "iid": "1009535165", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "C", "rank": "5" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "J" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009534405", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "S", "rank": "3" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "7" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 1.1700000000000002 }, { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "8" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 2.172857142857143 }, { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "6" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009532849", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "S", "rank": "2" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "K" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009532198", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "D", "rank": "3" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "A" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009531525", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0.0000330488888888889, "payoutMultiplier": 2.06556, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "S", "rank": "9" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "D", "rank": "5" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 1.43 }, { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "6" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 2.0655555555555556 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009530081", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "S", "rank": "5" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "K" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009529269", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "S", "rank": "4" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "J" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 1.287 }, { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "4" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009528263", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "C", "rank": "A" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "K" }, "guess": "equal", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009527608", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "C", "rank": "9" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "A" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 1.43 }, { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "9" }, "guess": "equal", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009526449", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "D", "rank": "8" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "3" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 1.60875 }, { "card": { "suit": "S", "rank": "K" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 1.9012499999999999 }, { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "2" }, "guess": "equal", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009525090", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "H", "rank": "Q" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "4" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009524411", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "H", "rank": "2" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "J" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009523795", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "C", "rank": "9" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "6" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 1.43 }, { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "8" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009522780", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "S", "rank": "10" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "3" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 1.287 }, { "card": { "suit": "D", "rank": "7" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 1.521 }, { "card": { "suit": "D", "rank": "5" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009521402", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "S", "rank": "A" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "S", "rank": "8" }, "guess": "equal", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009520663", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "D", "rank": "7" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "8" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009520014", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "S", "rank": "J" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "5" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009519204", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "C", "rank": "8" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "K" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 2.145 }, { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "4" }, "guess": "equal", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009518355", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0.000089232, "payoutMultiplier": 5.577, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "H", "rank": "10" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "3" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 1.287 }, { "card": { "suit": "S", "rank": "A" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 5.576999999999999 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009516622", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "C", "rank": "5" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "S", "rank": "4" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009515980", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "H", "rank": "8" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "S", "rank": "9" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009515355", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "H", "rank": "2" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "Q" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009514624", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "H", "rank": "7" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "C", "rank": "5" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 1.8385714285714285 }, { "card": { "suit": "S", "rank": "6" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009513452", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "D", "rank": "J" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "D", "rank": "K" }, "guess": "higherEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 4.29 }, { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "2" }, "guess": "equal", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } }, { "iid": "1009512636", "game": "hilo", "payout": 0, "payoutMultiplier": 0, "amount": 0.000016, "state": { "startCard": { "suit": "S", "rank": "9" }, "rounds": [ { "card": { "suit": "H", "rank": "J" }, "guess": "lowerEqual", "payoutMultiplier": 0 } ] } } ] } } } Didn't go through them all but already you can see a common pattern here, you chase the high multiplier hits of 1/13 or around there very regularly. Look at these bets in the first half of the query! hilo:1009526449 hilo:1009528263 hilo:1009527608 hilo:1009525090 hilo:1009524411
Kate Posted October 10, 2018 #21 Posted October 10, 2018 Just understand this : Gambling isnt a place to make more money its a place to loose money 99% of the time
bobwood Posted October 10, 2018 #22 Posted October 10, 2018 Have my doubts on blackjack to be honest, dealer gets far to many 10,s first card
Burgerwcheese Posted October 14, 2018 Author #23 Posted October 14, 2018 On 10/10/2018 at 2:38 PM, bobwood said: Have my doubts on blackjack to be honest, dealer gets far to many 10,s first card Black jack is fudged big time...but it's also my best game 😂
Dan Posted October 14, 2018 #24 Posted October 14, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 6:38 AM, bobwood said: Have my doubts on blackjack to be honest, dealer gets far to many 10,s first card The beautiful thing about doubt, is it can be solved by verifying your bets with the provably fair algorithm! Due to the majority of this topic turning to speculation from people who refuse to comprehend that there is a provably fair tool at their fingertips, yet refuse to use it. I'm going to lock this topic due to how unproductive this discussion has become.
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