dupeddonk Posted September 20, 2021 #51 Posted September 20, 2021 Quote A common misconception is that provably fair means the house can't cheat. It doesn't. It means that if they cheat, there will be evidence of it. 8 hours ago, Ghostnipple said: This is incorrect. You bring all attention back to "provably fair" as if that were the only way a scam can take place. This is classic misdirection. Hey I didn't say or imply what you're implying I said or implied. Someone reading your post might assume I did because of your response. They would be misdirected if so. Of course there are other ways to be scammed by a casino. Provably fair only involves how the outcome of each bet is determined. There are obviously many other aspects involved in gambling at a casino, like giving them money in advance and then being paid afterwards for example. If a casino doesn't pay you, then obviously the provably fair system they have in place is pretty irrelevant. Also, I'm not giving anyone gambling advice.
dutchgirl Posted September 20, 2021 #52 Posted September 20, 2021 just wondering not judging............ how is it possible then that all in gives more reds than greens and in my case way more reds than greens about 75% reds and 25% greens............................ And no not in my head I start keeping track when I noticed the hugh difference
Sammyyy Posted September 20, 2021 #53 Posted September 20, 2021 I think why many feel that it’s rigged and bust is because the reds are not evenly spaced out. Even those 1.00x. I’ve seen 3 1.00x in a row on limbo. This tempts players to increase bets until they bust!
notYou Posted September 21, 2021 #54 Posted September 21, 2021 I still wonder about the limbo thing. different calculation, description and stuff
dupeddonk Posted September 21, 2021 #55 Posted September 21, 2021 17 hours ago, dutchgirl said: just wondering not judging............ how is it possible then that all in gives more reds than greens and in my case way more reds than greens about 75% reds and 25% greens............................ And no not in my head I start keeping track when I noticed the hugh difference Can't really answer that without more information. But, if you suspect that the outcomes are somehow being influenced by the amount of your wager - you should verify the bet and make sure that that the server seed matches the hash provided before you set your seed, and that the outcome matches with a third party verifier. If everything checks out, then you know that the outcome was determined when you set your player seed, not after you decided how much to wager.
Gonger Posted September 21, 2021 #56 Posted September 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Ghostnipple said: One reason why players suspect a scam is that, when they see something unusual in their game (wins not being credited, or autobet not applying or applying incorrectly the specified increase/decrease on loss/win)etc. They will normally do the following: Look to the mybets tab to check the bet, but find there is no record of the bet there. Go to transactions/bet history/ and find the bet wasn't recorded there either. While they try to find the record of the bet, and without any permission or notification, Stake decides to dump the player out of their chosen game and then proceeds to delete all settings and recent game result history from the game screen. Evidence that support demand in order to do anything about the issue. If the players does contact support, they will be told to check the bet archive 24hrs from now. When they check the bet records 24hrs later they find that the bet is missing from the records. So they go back to support. However Supports position from here on in will be that the bet in question never happened, the players is an idiot. They will do nothing without evidence, the kind of evidence that stake deleted 24hrs ago while the player checked the Transactions/bet history. Mention the issue in the forums here and some idiot who completely misses the point, will give you a condescending lecture on everything you already knew about provably fair. You means this happens to more people than just me??? Interesting...
Geensteen Posted September 21, 2021 #58 Posted September 21, 2021 I think some people forget that in the end we will always lose long term (if u look at the numbers). You WILL 100% lose money. That's gambling.. not a scam.. just gambling.
dupeddonk Posted September 22, 2021 #59 Posted September 22, 2021 On 9/21/2021 at 4:19 AM, Ghostnipple said: Last week while my friend was sleeping his account balance was drained of all funds by stake, he had left it autobetting. The funds were not lost as a result of bets placed, they were simply taken from his account. Stake's position on this was it never happened. They maintained that stance until my friend produced video evidence. Only then did he receive a refund. How many player's has this happened to? How many didnt have any video evidence to support their claim? We can never know. With any online casino it is best to screen record all interactions. "The customers an idiot" stance by support is understandable, but also we are human and therefore prone to cognitive micro distractions which can lead to errors. My friend got his money back only because he had recorded the incident. Considering your track record on the forum when it comes to telling stories about stake scamming players, I think it's unlikely that this happened the way you're making it seem.
dupeddonk Posted September 22, 2021 #61 Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Ghostnipple said: and if it did happen? what is your view then? I think that stealing money from players while they are sleeping/auto-betting (or any other time) is bad - and I'm sure even if your story somewhat resembles the truth there's still plenty of holes that would need to be filled in before developing an opinion in this case.
dupeddonk Posted September 22, 2021 #62 Posted September 22, 2021 48 minutes ago, Ghostnipple said: You are quick enough to accuse me of dishonesty without any evidence. To make personal attacks on a man because you disagree with his arguments is not going to do much for your already poor reputation here. Not interested in debating this with you, I've gone back and forth with you enough times to know it's a waste of time. After reading hundreds of your posts, I can say with confidence that you regularly distort facts (when you're not just making shit up) with the intention to convince other players that Stake is a rigged scam casino. This isn't intended to be a personal attack, I just don't want people to blindly believe you (which you seem to be pretty good at getting people to do) when you tell some crazy story or share your next bogus graph.
MattyG Posted September 26, 2021 #64 Posted September 26, 2021 Ok that makes sense. But what if there are people who never look or check bets and then one day look at the bet archive on millions of bets and see that noonce have been getting skipped ever since they made their first bets with stake I’m not talking about a few noonces skipped I’m talking too many to count in a lifetime noonces skipped. Just now, MattyG said: Ok that makes sense. But what if there are people who never look or check bets and then one day look at the bet archive on millions of bets and see that noonce have been getting skipped ever since they made their first bets with stake I’m not talking about a few noonces skipped I’m talking too many to count in a lifetime noonces skipped. While at the same time losing $40k playing a 1% house edge game, several million bets in, losing at a rate of 12% house edge. Then what do u have to say?
dupeddonk Posted September 28, 2021 #66 Posted September 28, 2021 On 9/26/2021 at 3:55 AM, MattyG said: Ok that makes sense. But what if there are people who never look or check bets and then one day look at the bet archive on millions of bets and see that noonce have been getting skipped ever since they made their first bets with stake I’m not talking about a few noonces skipped I’m talking too many to count in a lifetime noonces skipped. While at the same time losing $40k playing a 1% house edge game, several million bets in, losing at a rate of 12% house edge. Then what do u have to say? If you never look or check your bets, then you won't be able to verify that they are fair. There's nothing you can do for bets in the past. In the future, you should always note the server seed that's displayed before you set a new player seed. You should keep track of how many bets you make with that seed, and make sure that nonces aren't being skipped. Then reveal the server seed and verify that the outcomes match what happened. On 9/26/2021 at 3:55 AM, MattyG said: While at the same time losing $40k playing a 1% house edge game, several million bets in, losing at a rate of 12% house edge. Then what do u have to say? If that player were to bet however much they're down on a single 50% dice bet, there's a 49.5% chance their RTP for several million bets goes from 12% to 0% in just a single bet. My point is: so what.
Moderator mistaker Posted September 28, 2021 Author Moderator #67 Posted September 28, 2021 On 9/26/2021 at 9:55 AM, MattyG said: Ok that makes sense. But what if there are people who never look or check bets and then one day look at the bet archive on millions of bets and see that noonce have been getting skipped ever since they made their first bets with stake I’m not talking about a few noonces skipped I’m talking too many to count in a lifetime noonces skipped use program to check all if you wish to check it On 9/26/2021 at 9:55 AM, MattyG said: While at the same time losing $40k playing a 1% house edge game, several million bets in, losing at a rate of 12% house edge. Then what do u have to say? that's simple to explain You can do 1mln rolls and still lose on 1% edge, and in next 1mln rolls win 10 more the you have 9so then house edge will negative 99% ??????) - that's normal, casino edge info is simply base on 100 (some times more) milons simulated rolls (or sometimes this edge in game multipliers). Look at info in slots (bigger edge but still can show you something) Is that mean that you need to do all this rolls to get MAX - no, that's statistical info. Just keep in mind, statistics is NOT REALITY. In very very long term - yeah is close to it. But that's really long time. And back to Limbo as example House Edge is here:
MattyG Posted September 28, 2021 #68 Posted September 28, 2021 Ty This the last session I played where I lost .7 ltc wagering only 1.3. u can see the absurdity in the skipping noonces
Moderator mistaker Posted September 29, 2021 Author Moderator #69 Posted September 29, 2021 10 hours ago, MattyG said: Ty This the last session I played where I lost .7 ltc wagering only 1.3. u can see the absurdity in the skipping noonces a bit hard to see it, but if you post it in json file, i can easy check it
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