RTP

[d888]

I asked today support for my RTP of two games, Madame Destiny Megaways and Keno.

The result you see below. Maybe it helps some people before they play these games. With Madame Destiny most of the wager were bonus buys. And Keno I played most times 8 numbers high risk:

[Primequin]

Is it just for today? Or overall waggered?

[d888]

This is overall wagered with many different seeds on Keno and also Destiny, over a period of weeks

[dupeddonk]

Madame Destiny house edge is 3.4%

You lost 3.51% of what you've wagered, so just a tiny bit below average.  Slightly unlucky. You could easily shift  to the slightly more lucky than average zone without even hitting any big wins.

 

Keno house edge is 1% and much higher variance (although 8 squares is much lower variance than 5 or 6 squares) and you're running almost 3% under expected value losing 3.875% of what you wagered.  Unlucky for sure, but not horrendous.  

 

 

[d888]

You don´t see what happened recently. For example Madame Destiny 25x bonus buy is a complete loss or 15x with 12 free spins, the results of bonus buys Pragmatic play were terrible and unusual recently, i call it rip off as it´s best. I´m sure we  can blame Pragmatic Play for it and it´s not stake´s fault because in other casinos the same happened with Pragmatic Play and bonus buys.

My losses are $57k last 3 months. Also losing 80% of my Keno rounds doesn´t feel right. Slots I played months which are not extremely volatile cannot even hit bonus game, this counts for all Relax slots. If this is normal, ok.

 

[dupeddonk]

10 minutes ago, d888 said:

Also losing 80% of my Keno rounds doesn´t feel right.

With 8 spots marked, there's a 7.6% chance you hit 0, 26.5% chance you hit 1, 34.7% chance you hit 2 and 22.2% chance you hit 3, and a 9% chance you hit 4 or more and profit.  In other words, there's a 91% chance you will lose betting 8 spots at high risk.

You lost 81.5% of your bets, so you must have mixed in some lower variance wagers.

How it feels and math are rarely the same thing.

 

10 minutes ago, d888 said:

You don´t see what happened recently. For example 25x bonus buy is a complete loss or 15x with 12 free spins, the results of bonus buys Pragmatic play were terrible and unusual recently.

Wow, you must have been very very lucky before that since overall you're only 0.1% under expected value.

[MattyG]

5 hours ago, d888 said:

I asked today support for my RTP of two games, Madame Destiny Megaways and Keno.

The result you see below. Maybe it helps some people before they play these games. With Madame Destiny most of the wager were bonus buys. And Keno I played most times 8 numbers high risk:

Lol

 

after 90,000 bets.  You’re losing at a 4% house edge Keno wagering 4000 lite coins which in USD TERMS at all time high was $1.7 million 

4% house edge 90,000 bets. And they tell you it’s 1%. Like you have complete fucking scum of the earth to pretend like 1% house edge is anywhere near correct if you have to play for 30 fucking years to have a chance at it. 

3 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

Madame Destiny house edge is 3.4%

You lost 3.51% of what you've wagered, so just a tiny bit below average.  Slightly unlucky. You could easily shift  to the slightly more lucky than average zone without even hitting any big wins.

 

Keno house edge is 1% and much higher variance (although 8 squares is much lower variance than 5 or 6 squares) and you're running almost 3% under expected value losing 3.875% of what you wagered.  Unlucky for sure, but not horrendous.  

 

 

It’s absolutely horrendous. He’s not missed it by 3%.  He’s missed it by 300%

3 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

With 8 spots marked, there's a 7.6% chance you hit 0, 26.5% chance you hit 1, 34.7% chance you hit 2 and 22.2% chance you hit 3, and a 9% chance you hit 4 or more and profit.  In other words, there's a 91% chance you will lose betting 8 spots at high risk.

You lost 81.5% of your bets, so you must have mixed in some lower variance wagers.

How it feels and math are rarely the same thing.

 

Wow, you must have been very very lucky before that since overall you're only 0.1% under expected value.

Again if your games have such variance where it takes 20 years and shït tons of money to get to house edge. Then your house edge is BULLSHIT. 

[therock1991]

what is RTP ?

[dupeddonk]

3 hours ago, MattyG said:

after 90,000 bets.  You’re losing at a 4% house edge Keno wagering 4000 lite coins which in USD TERMS at all time high was $1.7 million 

4% house edge 90,000 bets. And they tell you it’s 1%. Like you have complete fucking scum of the earth to pretend like 1% house edge is anywhere near correct if you have to play for 30 fucking years to have a chance at it. 

You can't really put too much weight into the number of bets unless they were all the same size. Variations in bet size compounds the variance.  Same goes for different modes of keno.   

Here's an extreme example: A player is up $100 after 80,000 1 cent bets.  That means their return on investment so far is 12.5%.  

Player decides to make a single $1,000 bet and loses.  

Now they're down $900 after wagering $1,800 and 80,001 bets. 

Their return on investment went from 12.5% to negative 50%.  The RTP never changes unless the rules of the game change.  

 

Obviously it's an extreme example to illustrate my point, but even just a handful of modestly bigger bets can drastically change your bottom line really quick even with a 100k+ sample size.  But the RTP never changes.  It's always the same. 

Moral of the story is, it's dumb to put much weight into the number of bets and your return on investment when determining the RTP.  You need constants to be able to come close to representing the actual RTP with any confidence.  

Most of the time when you and other players use the term RTP, you really mean ROI, which isn't the same thing.

3 hours ago, MattyG said:

It’s absolutely horrendous. He’s not missed it by 3%.  He’s missed it by 300%

No.

He lost 3.857% of his total wager.  The house edge is 1%.  

3.857% - 1% = 2.857%, or, almost 3%

I know what you're trying to say - that 3% is 300% more than 1%, but the thing we're measuring the amount wagered.  Whether the house edge is 1% or 10%, each % is still worth the same.  The only reason to measure it the way you are is so that when you tell other people they will perceive you as being 'more' unlucky.

[MattyG]

7 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

You can't really put too much weight into the number of bets unless they were all the same size. Variations in bet size compounds the variance.  Same goes for different modes of keno.   

Here's an extreme example: A player is up $100 after 80,000 1 cent bets.  That means their return on investment so far is 12.5%.  

Player decides to make a single $1,000 bet and loses.  

Now they're down $900 after wagering $1,800 and 80,001 bets. 

Their return on investment went from 12.5% to negative 50%.  The RTP never changes unless the rules of the game change.  

 

Obviously it's an extreme example to illustrate my point, but even just a handful of modestly bigger bets can drastically change your bottom line really quick even with a 100k+ sample size.  But the RTP never changes.  It's always the same. 

Moral of the story is, it's dumb to put much weight into the number of bets and your return on investment when determining the RTP.  You need constants to be able to come close to representing the actual RTP with any confidence.  

Most of the time when you and other players use the term RTP, you really mean ROI, which isn't the same thing.

No.

He lost 3.857% of his total wager.  The house edge is 1%.  

3.857% - 1% = 2.857%, or, almost 3%

I know what you're trying to say - that 3% is 300% more than 1%, but the thing we're measuring the amount wagered.  Whether the house edge is 1% or 10%, each % is still worth the same.  The only reason to measure it the way you are is so that when you tell other people they will perceive you as being 'more' unlucky.

No. 
 

if total house is suppose to be 1% and he’s losing at 2% house edge how many % is stake + or - ev? 
 

+100%
 

the only reason to measure the way that you are, is to make it seem like he’s not that unlucky 

9 minutes ago, MattyG said:

No. 
 

if total house is suppose to be 1% and he’s losing at 2% house edge how many % is stake + or - ev? 
 

+100%
 

the only reason to measure the way that you are, is to make it seem like he’s not that unlucky 

 

9 minutes ago, MattyG said:

No. 
 

if total house is suppose to be 1% and he’s losing at 2% house edge how many % is stake + or - ev? 
 

+100%
 

the only reason to measure the way that you are, is to make it seem like he’s not that unlucky 

If Im down $10k and I’ve wagered $500,000

 

House edge says I should only be down $5k

 

What % of $5000 is $10000

 

I’ll give you a hint, it’s not 2%

[d888]

thanks for your comments.

 

[dupeddonk]

11 hours ago, MattyG said:

No. 
 

if total house is suppose to be 1% and he’s losing at 2% house edge how many % is stake + or - ev? 
 

+100%
 

the only reason to measure the way that you are, is to make it seem like he’s not that unlucky 

 

If Im down $10k and I’ve wagered $500,000

 

House edge says I should only be down $5k

 

What % of $5000 is $10000

 

I’ll give you a hint, it’s not 2%

You're not wrong, 2% is 100% more than 1%, but your way is misleading.

Game A has a 10% house edge and you've lost 15% of your total wagered, and game B has a 1% house edge and you've lost 3% of your total wagered.

Would it make more sense to say you were 5% under EV on game A and 2% under on game B?

Or 50% and 200%.

 

[Fimo]

I love reading @dupeddonkreplies, it's always a delight reading some actual correct stuff in the flood of random 🤪 gamblers! 😁

[sizzlinghotx]

On 6/11/2022 at 10:09 PM, d888 said:

I asked today support for my RTP of two games, Madame Destiny Megaways and Keno.

The result you see below. Maybe it helps some people before they play these games. With Madame Destiny most of the wager were bonus buys. And Keno I played most times 8 numbers high risk:

Support DONT GIVE  such info . 

[iulianbutanu]

16 hours ago, Fimo said:

I love reading @dupeddonkreplies, it's always a delight reading some actual correct stuff in the flood of random 🤪 gamblers! 😁

Weirdly he knows what he speaks about but even in this case he is only 60% right. I just don't have the time to reply, but ya... big thumbs up

[d888]

2 hours ago, sizzlinghotx said:

Support DONT GIVE  such info . 

You think I lied and faked a screenshot of my rtp of these two games? Is this what you want to tell me? Why should I do such a thing?

[sizzlinghotx]

23 minutes ago, d888 said:

You think I lied and faked a screenshot of my rtp of these two games? Is this what you want to tell me? Why should I do such a thing?

Because today i asked three different support girls and they say they dont have such info

[d888]

I did not ask chat support. I sent them an email and asked for my RTP and they have these information and if a player has a long and unusual losing streak you can get these information. Uros btw sent me the RTP. 

[sizzlinghotx]

23 minutes ago, d888 said:

I did not ask chat support. I sent them an email and asked for my RTP and they have these information and if a player has a long and unusual losing streak you can get these information. Uros btw sent me the RTP. 

As an affiliate or as a player?

[d888]

I´m a normal player.

[Shanaya24]

don't listen to the comments of the provable fair pope. As soon as the %  is way below RTP it is called 'very unlucky' I would call it 'for sure manipulated' 

[dupeddonk]

44 minutes ago, Shanaya24 said:

don't listen to the comments of the provable fair pope. As soon as the %  is way below RTP it is called 'very unlucky' I would call it 'for sure manipulated' 

Great point as usual.

[sykosinatra]

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[GotSeven]

I asked to support RTP for bj and dice. But they didnt give me 

[dupeddonk]

11 hours ago, GotSeven said:

I asked to support RTP for bj and dice. But they didnt give me 

RTP for dice is 99% (1% house edge)

BJ depends on your strategy, or lack of strategy.