Need opinions of fellow player friends about this

[DarkStar]

Enough chitchat lets see what player fellows have to say on these:
Lets get serious and for some serious answers.

Be truthful what you have to say everyone....

[Jjdjjdjms]

I just don’t understand why any player would mess around with making alt accounts. 
 

you’re taking vip points away from your main account. You’re risking getting your accounts frozen or closed for breaking TOS. 
 

why? I just don’t get it?? There is literally no benefit to having multiple accounts. The risk just isn’t worth it.

[Hockeykid67]

Seems like Stake Support is being very nice to you usually when you break TOS they can freeze your account and you can’t withdraw any money that’s your punishment for breaking the TOS 

Play 1 account and just have fun don’t try to scam the site with multiples 

[ash4u]

Dont be greedy and play with 0.09cent reload like everyone :)

[Edward Lee]

can't make multiple accounts 

[majali7891]

oh I've commented on the wrong post 

[PauloVictorYP]

lol

[XeroF]

Its actually pretty bad they wont answer his question tho, how come streamers are allowed to have multiple accounts taking part in level ups and rakeback etc on all of them and some just gets all bonuses taking away for the same thing,,, I dont think people should be allowed to have multiple accounts but it must be some sort of fairness from stake aswell. 

[Big Dallas]

Not fair! 

And too much of a risk for nothing.

[jacksonova]

I'm not sure about the other responses but it seems to me like whoever is talking to support is trying to say that they don't have multiple accounts. Granted, they bring up the point about how other accounts are thought of to them, with regard to deposits and whatnot, but otherwise I think that was probably a poor time to be bringing up that point.

So to be sure, it sounds like the user talking to support was trying to say, more or less, "I don't have multiple accounts so why don't you ban the other accounts that you suspect belong to me and everything will be fine for me since those other accounts you suspect aren't mine." This is why, I presume, they want to know the username of those accounts because if in fact it's true that they don't have multiple accounts, then they could either find out what other accounts were made that have been alleged to belong to this person and maybe take action, or otherwise have a clue as to why this association of account ownership has been made.

Whereas support seems to be fairly confident in their methodology of detecting and determining that this user does have multiple accounts and otherwise is unyielding on the fact that this user is in fact violating TOS.

If I've understood correctly, this is my input:

1. Without inferring that you do or do not have or did or did not have multiple accounts, the fact that support is willing to allow usage of one account should already be sufficient in granting your wishes in a way. You have the option of selecting which one account you can use so just use the one which is claimed to be the only one you have. Understandably you may have lost bonuses for what you're claiming to be false accusations, but seeing as how there's no way for you to prove otherwise, if you truly want to move forward then let the ego side of you that wants to prove a point go, if you want to continue using the site. So if you're really upset that they've falsely accused you, then it's really up to you if you don't want to use their site anymore. I know it sucks if you've been falsely accused, and maybe you are. But keep in mind that the bonuses aren't necessarily something you're entitled to in the legal sense. Unless you've made some sort of contractual agreement that says something along the lines of, "when I wager this amount I am entitled to this much in bonusses" then you have to realize that there's no contractual obligations for them to pay out any sort of bonus at any time. Sure, it might be advertised as part of their VIP program and whatnot but, again, just from a legal standpoint, it's not legally binding so you can either let it go and accept the offer that produces the same result or you can quit and move on.
2. Without inferring that you have a valid point or not with regard to the point made about streamers and abuse or whatnot, even if it might be true, that's really not a valid reason to justify your breaking of the rules. Is it fair? No, of course not. But just because someone else is allowed to do something and makes it seem unfair, you might not have all the details regarding any arrangements that they might have with Stake. In other words, it's not your business how other people might be doing something similar to what you're being punished for (again, to be clear, I said what you're being punished for, not necessarily accusing you of having actually committed the act) so that should never be a reason to justify you not being punished for it. It's like telling the officer who pulls you over for speeding, 'but everyone else is speeding, why don't you pull everyone else over?' and the response is simple, it doesn't change the fact that you were speeding. But again, if you weren't actually speeding, then that's a whole other issue and that's where I feel you would have been better off saying something like, 'Hey, I'm saying I don't have multiple accounts and I'm being punished for it, how can I prove my innocence' rather than bring up the argument of, 'well why do streamers get to do it' or take the opportunity to bring up your opinion of how a separation of accounts should be applied since the accounting of revenue is separate and should therefore be treated as separate.
3. With that said, let's just say hypothetically you are innocent, you don't have multiple accounts, and you've been falsely accused. It still boils down to what you want. Do you want to keep playing on Stake or is it perhaps time to move on? I know it's not an easy decision to make considering all the time and effort you've put into your account with them, and maybe that's the reason it feels like such a personal attack. Especially when it seems like other people can do the same thing and not get punished for it. But, that's pretty much it, it's what you've perceived to be true. Whether or not it actually is true is not necessarily a point of debate because frankly, there's not much we can do about it. As customers, the only thing we can do is stop giving a business our patronage if we don't agree with it's choice of business practices.

[Tokai2021]

On 10/8/2022 at 4:42 PM, jacksonova said:

I'm not sure about the other responses but it seems to me like whoever is talking to support is trying to say that they don't have multiple accounts. Granted, they bring up the point about how other accounts are thought of to them, with regard to deposits and whatnot, but otherwise I think that was probably a poor time to be bringing up that point.

So to be sure, it sounds like the user talking to support was trying to say, more or less, "I don't have multiple accounts so why don't you ban the other accounts that you suspect belong to me and everything will be fine for me since those other accounts you suspect aren't mine." This is why, I presume, they want to know the username of those accounts because if in fact it's true that they don't have multiple accounts, then they could either find out what other accounts were made that have been alleged to belong to this person and maybe take action, or otherwise have a clue as to why this association of account ownership has been made.

Whereas support seems to be fairly confident in their methodology of detecting and determining that this user does have multiple accounts and otherwise is unyielding on the fact that this user is in fact violating TOS.

If I've understood correctly, this is my input:

1. Without inferring that you do or do not have or did or did not have multiple accounts, the fact that support is willing to allow usage of one account should already be sufficient in granting your wishes in a way. You have the option of selecting which one account you can use so just use the one which is claimed to be the only one you have. Understandably you may have lost bonuses for what you're claiming to be false accusations, but seeing as how there's no way for you to prove otherwise, if you truly want to move forward then let the ego side of you that wants to prove a point go, if you want to continue using the site. So if you're really upset that they've falsely accused you, then it's really up to you if you don't want to use their site anymore. I know it sucks if you've been falsely accused, and maybe you are. But keep in mind that the bonuses aren't necessarily something you're entitled to in the legal sense. Unless you've made some sort of contractual agreement that says something along the lines of, "when I wager this amount I am entitled to this much in bonusses" then you have to realize that there's no contractual obligations for them to pay out any sort of bonus at any time. Sure, it might be advertised as part of their VIP program and whatnot but, again, just from a legal standpoint, it's not legally binding so you can either let it go and accept the offer that produces the same result or you can quit and move on.
2. Without inferring that you have a valid point or not with regard to the point made about streamers and abuse or whatnot, even if it might be true, that's really not a valid reason to justify your breaking of the rules. Is it fair? No, of course not. But just because someone else is allowed to do something and makes it seem unfair, you might not have all the details regarding any arrangements that they might have with Stake. In other words, it's not your business how other people might be doing something similar to what you're being punished for (again, to be clear, I said what you're being punished for, not necessarily accusing you of having actually committed the act) so that should never be a reason to justify you not being punished for it. It's like telling the officer who pulls you over for speeding, 'but everyone else is speeding, why don't you pull everyone else over?' and the response is simple, it doesn't change the fact that you were speeding. But again, if you weren't actually speeding, then that's a whole other issue and that's where I feel you would have been better off saying something like, 'Hey, I'm saying I don't have multiple accounts and I'm being punished for it, how can I prove my innocence' rather than bring up the argument of, 'well why do streamers get to do it' or take the opportunity to bring up your opinion of how a separation of accounts should be applied since the accounting of revenue is separate and should therefore be treated as separate.
3. With that said, let's just say hypothetically you are innocent, you don't have multiple accounts, and you've been falsely accused. It still boils down to what you want. Do you want to keep playing on Stake or is it perhaps time to move on? I know it's not an easy decision to make considering all the time and effort you've put into your account with them, and maybe that's the reason it feels like such a personal attack. Especially when it seems like other people can do the same thing and not get punished for it. But, that's pretty much it, it's what you've perceived to be true. Whether or not it actually is true is not necessarily a point of debate because frankly, there's not much we can do about it. As customers, the only thing we can do is stop giving a business our patronage if we don't agree with it's choice of business practices.

🥲   pretty sure other people can do that. And ther weekly is not distributed amoung the multi accounts.

 

[jacksonova]

16 hours ago, Tokai2021 said:

🥲   pretty sure other people can do that. And ther weekly is not distributed amoung the multi accounts.

 

Yea I wouldn't deny it, I'm just merely refusing to give that strain of thought any more attention then it deserves. It's not like I can change what happens with everyone else, while on the same token, I don't know what sort of arrangement they have for having multiple accounts. I can presume, make assumptions, but that will just skew my perception even more on information that is not certain or otherwise only assumed and encourages the continued habit of comparing myself to others, None of us need any more of that in our lives. Better to only compare ourselves to who we are yesterday and who we want to become tomorrow.

Nevertheless it doesn't change why someone would want multiple accounts. I can only personally think of a couple of reasons for multiple accounts, such as having one account for streaming and another for privately playing without people knowing they were the streamer on a different account or something, kind of like just for privacy play off-stream.

Then, if we can ignore the other reason which kind of branches off and involves having other family or household members and multiple accounts in a single resident (not necessarily one person), whereas the restriction imposed of using of only one account for promotions and drawings is something I'd definitely feel is unfair if each household member played on their own accounts and kept their own finances separate from one another like roommates then that's agreeably sh**ty, but it's also somewhat understandable or justified in its own way where enforcing the rules & determining exceptions to that rule might cause greater issues that outweigh the upside potential it provides when comparing the significantly higher cases of extra bonus abuse over cases of when it's another person in the same household, again, just as a weighted value of benefit for the customer,

Other than that I can't really think of or don't know of any other reason for having multiple accounts other than to collect multiple bonuses if it's not otherwise for letting a guest use when they come visit, or if you have a lot of guests coming over and are running an underground gambling casino from your converted PC café, or being able to play conspicuously as a popular streamer.

So sure, if you really want the same arrangement, where a secondary account is excluded from bonuses, then asking for an arrangement would be better than being accused of breaking the rules and then arguing the fairness of treatment rather than admitting a lack of awareness for what would've been a more appropriate approach to getting what is desired.

[ByteMeTwice]

This has only become an issue since Stake went legal in the UK..

 

Beforehand it was actually encouraged to have multi accounts.

Many people still have a lot of multi-accounts..

 

What's unfair here is the fact that T's & C's only matter when it is to Stakes advantage.

[jacksonova]

On 10/18/2022 at 4:55 PM, ByteMeTwice said:

Beforehand it was actually encouraged to have multi accounts.

Many people still have a lot of multi-accounts..

 

Well that's something I didn't know for being newer to the scene. But, every site I've been to before all had a policy of no multiple accounts. I'm surprise you would say it was encouraged though, as I'm trying to imagine what a site would say to encourage it's users to make multiple accounts? Or do you mean, other players would encourage one another to get multiple accounts?

[ByteMeTwice]

On 10/22/2022 at 6:11 PM, jacksonova said:

Well that's something I didn't know for being newer to the scene. But, every site I've been to before all had a policy of no multiple accounts. I'm surprise you would say it was encouraged though, as I'm trying to imagine what a site would say to encourage it's users to make multiple accounts? Or do you mean, other players would encourage one another to get multiple accounts?

It's a great way to bolster player numbers and make them appear a lot more attractive to the outside world than they actually are.

I used to witness people on live chat claim of having up to 17-20 alternative accounts, like a badge of honour, as such

The Only 1 rule I can remember from the time was that posters on live chat weren't allowed to post using one of their Alt accounts..

[jacksonova]

ahh, that makes a lot of sense, sort of like how that one itchy site didnt do much about the bot accounts for awhile