J0ker Posted May 17, 2024 #1 Posted May 17, 2024 in case anyone is wondering, STAKE ORIGINAL GAMES ARE FIXED. Results can be predicted. Not the specific number of the result but the outcome. I have proven this to Eddie, Mike and Steve and yet none of them have the balls to respond to me. Anyone else having this type of experience? Where you can predict a loss? I have screenshots of predicted losses on LIMBO. SEE SCREENSHOTS BELOW: FIRST ONE I USED MY RELOAD TO START BETTING SMALL AMOUNTS AND IT ALLOWED CONTINUOUS WINS. I SENT THAT ONE (116.83X RESULT) TO THE GROUP FIRST. THEN AGAIN I SEND THE NEXT SCREENSHOT (1.98X RESULT) - I TOLD THEM IT WAS GETTING CLOSE TO GOING BACK IN TO PROFIT AND I COULD MAKE IT LOSE BY INCREASING MY BET. THE FINAL ONE IS THE NEXT BET - YOU CAN SEE THE SEQUENCE IS CONSISTANT AND THE BET WAS INCREASED AND 'BOOM' INSTANT LOSS. THIS IS NO COINCIDENCE. I HAVE SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF THIS BEHAVIOUR. WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN THIS TO ME WITHOUT SHOVING MY NOSE IN THE 'PROVEABLY FAIR' NONSENSE. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE NUMBER GENERATED IS IN FACT A RANDOM NUMBER - HOWEVER - THERE IS CLEARLY AN UNDERLYING INFLUENCE DECIDING WEATHER OR NOT TO PROVIDE A WIN OR A LOSS. OK TROLLS - TELL ME I'M CRAZY
Tattuuvixn Posted May 18, 2024 #2 Posted May 18, 2024 ...isn't that what the houses edge is...? I mean, I am super new to the whole gambling thing in general but, I think what you might be referring to is called the houses edge... Now, forgive me if I am beyond off base, as I am not trying to further upset you by any means, more or less, genuinely asking. Aside from that, hopefully things change? I rather happen to like stake originals... Lol.
Aegyen Posted May 18, 2024 #4 Posted May 18, 2024 I have raised my bet and then won. If this happens at least 1 time, then your hypothesis is proved false.
JimmyNett Posted May 18, 2024 #8 Posted May 18, 2024 If you bet high oc course the house will take the money and make you lose
J0ker Posted May 20, 2024 Author #13 Posted May 20, 2024 ANOTHER TYPICAL SCAM ON DICE - SET WIN CHANCE TO ONE THING AND THEN GET COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RESULTS. I RAN THIS FOR 300 BETS AND BASICALLY GOT 50% WINS EVEN THOUGH ITS SET TO 80% WIN CHANCE. THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN OVER 300 BETS. IT WOULD BE BAD LUCK OVER 10 OR EVEN 20 BETS BUT OVER 300 BETS THIS SHOULD LEVEL OUT MUCH CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGE SET. ON TOP OF THE RIDICULOUS RESULTS, IT HITS THE LOSSES ON THE RAISED BETS. CAUSING SUPER FAST LOSSES. THIS IS SO RIDICULOUS. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK THIS HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH 'HOUSE EDGE' IT SIMPLY DOES NOT. HOUSE EDGE ON THIS GAME IS 1%. SO OVER 300 BETS, AT 80% WIN CHANCE I SHOULD SEE 79% WINS. OF COURSE, THE CASINO WILL SAY THAT THAT IS TO SMALL OF A SAMPLE AND THAT HOUSE EDGE IS REALIZED OVER MILLIONS OF BETS. END OF THE DAY, THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO - THIS SITE IS AN ABSOLUTE SCAM AND THEY WILL SEPARATE YOU FROM YOUR MONEY. THESE STAKE ORIGINAL GAMES SEEM LIKE AN EASY WAY TO RECOVER LOSSES ON OTHER GAMES HOWEVER THEY ARE THERE TO SET YOU UP FOR FAILURE. I RARELY GET BUSTED ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN STAKE ORIGINAL GAMES...THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING - AND IT'S 100% BY DESIGN.
caffeine204 Posted May 23, 2024 #14 Posted May 23, 2024 You clearly have no idea how Provably Fairness works. your bet means nothing 100% of the time.
Szechuan1 Posted May 23, 2024 #15 Posted May 23, 2024 Gambling have risks buddy. You win some you lose some
megapol007 Posted May 23, 2024 #16 Posted May 23, 2024 lmao imagine trying to present a "proven statistical argument" without understanding math and statistics
mac254 Posted May 23, 2024 #17 Posted May 23, 2024 On 5/18/2024 at 2:44 AM, J0ker said: in case anyone is wondering, STAKE ORIGINAL GAMES ARE FIXED. Results can be predicted. Not the specific number of the result but the outcome. I have proven this to Eddie, Mike and Steve and yet none of them have the balls to respond to me. Anyone else having this type of experience? Where you can predict a loss? I have screenshots of predicted losses on LIMBO. SEE SCREENSHOTS BELOW: FIRST ONE I USED MY RELOAD TO START BETTING SMALL AMOUNTS AND IT ALLOWED CONTINUOUS WINS. I SENT THAT ONE (116.83X RESULT) TO THE GROUP FIRST. THEN AGAIN I SEND THE NEXT SCREENSHOT (1.98X RESULT) - I TOLD THEM IT WAS GETTING CLOSE TO GOING BACK IN TO PROFIT AND I COULD MAKE IT LOSE BY INCREASING MY BET. THE FINAL ONE IS THE NEXT BET - YOU CAN SEE THE SEQUENCE IS CONSISTANT AND THE BET WAS INCREASED AND 'BOOM' INSTANT LOSS. THIS IS NO COINCIDENCE. I HAVE SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF THIS BEHAVIOUR. WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN THIS TO ME WITHOUT SHOVING MY NOSE IN THE 'PROVEABLY FAIR' NONSENSE. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE NUMBER GENERATED IS IN FACT A RANDOM NUMBER - HOWEVER - THERE IS CLEARLY AN UNDERLYING INFLUENCE DECIDING WEATHER OR NOT TO PROVIDE A WIN OR A LOSS. OK TROLLS - TELL ME I'M CRAZY You are Right!! The code the games run on is created by human. Even the RNG. It is programmed to retain more than it pays out. Now, whether this is influenced by stake size, bet size, round of plays who knows. What is true is the the winnings/payout is predetermined. They of course want and will always have the exact formula to be mysterious so as to influence gambler fallacy: - "it is due" "I have bet so much so I must win" or whatever other nonsense we tell ourselves on how we will beat the machine. The code can never be programmed in the favor of the gambler. It is set to dish out just enough wins to keep the gamblers coming back and influencing new ones to join in, obviously because, if it doesn't pay anything everyone will stop playing. But the payout must always be lower than what it takes in for obvious reasons: the business must survive ( pay all expenses, staff) and make acceptable returns for shareholders. Thus what the gambler is looking for is the lucky spin. I.e their play falls on the preplanned payout. What parameters influence this could be as you say or one of the many other theories many others have come up with. Heck devs could use the latest fad to add into the mix and rotate them increase payout frequency. So that it's a different experience for different gamblers and hence some win while others will not while doing the exact same thing. It's purposely done. Whatever adds fuel to the Gambler's fallacy fire and feel that I may have the luck, the chosen one, hence keep coming back. At the end of the day you will only win if it is your lucky spin while competing with all other spins form you and others
Andreag89 Posted May 23, 2024 #18 Posted May 23, 2024 I could agree or disagree with OP, but as @caffeine204 previously mentioned, your 300 or even 3000 bets count nothing taking into account the whole seed. 80% chance doesn’t mean you are due to win 80 times on 100, it means the 80% of the whole seed is wins (wether 2x or 1000x) but it could definitely be 6000 losses in a row and then 700 wins. Of course the “order” of these results is scrambled around to give you a more enjoyable win/lose ratio during the session, but you can definitely find many cases of people hitting 1000x twice within 6/10 games, even with higher base bets. it is random, it happened to me too, got a 500x on tome of life with 0.1$ bet and I was like “yeah of course with the low bet size” so I got pissed and played those 50$ win at 5$ each and guess what, 7 spins later got into a bonus that paid 800x 🤷🏻♂️ that said I agree with OP, when he states that increasing bet size lowers your win chance, but that’s how it works, you’re changing one of the variables and you get a different outcome. That’s just classic behavior for any casino game. as for my personal experience there is one issue I can constantly relate to: when playing on pragmatic slots, I noticed that any time the daily giveaway tournament includes cash prizes it is extremely difficult (if not impossible) to get a good bonus or even a bonus… I just keep getting 2 scatters, the 3rd one comes in and the slot dies, even after a 5/6 symbols tumble. Totally different from when the prizes are fixed multis or free spins rounds.
karthik999 Posted May 23, 2024 #19 Posted May 23, 2024 There is a thing called house advantage or house edge in dice or any game which you have to understand. The house wins at the end finally. So better start gambling only for fun and what you can afford to lose instead of analysing the results and complaining because no ones gonna help you or can help you in this matter. Stake is already a trusted and established casino so understand this truth early.
Pilcrow Posted October 16, 2024 #21 Posted October 16, 2024 No different than an inhouse casino. The game isn't ready to pay out larger amounts and your account might not be "primed" for a larger pay out. When someone bets 0.01 and hits the 10000x, that's a true jackpot being handed out to one lucky winner. Everyone else, the game is built to take your money, either slowly, or raise your bet and it'll take it quickly. And don't let them know this, cause there is also a way to make a quick $50 on a consistent basis. But who wants to cash out $50 every day? $50 is chump change, it's just a nice "primer" for a hacksaw game.
Kirito89 Posted October 17, 2024 #23 Posted October 17, 2024 "Proof" is him wasting his time in paint proving provably fairness and house edge lmao.
Adumbobi Posted October 17, 2024 #24 Posted October 17, 2024 30 minutes ago, Kirito89 said: "Proof" is him wasting his time in paint proving provably fairness and house edge lmao. Eddie burner account? 😭
Nirmala Posted October 18, 2024 #25 Posted October 18, 2024 On 5/18/2024 at 12:08 PM, Tattuuvixn said: ...isn't that what the houses edge is...? I mean, I am super new to the whole gambling thing in general but, I think what you might be referring to is called the houses edge... Now, forgive me if I am beyond off base, as I am not trying to further upset you by any means, more or less, genuinely asking. Aside from that, hopefully things change? I rather happen to like stake originals... Lol. You will like it until you realise and that may happen after an unexpected big loss which I hope you may never face, however it is what it is. relying on stake originals isn’t the best thing as they are not the casino games or a true skillful game of gambling. Have fun do a bit you entertainment however if your goal is to make money I highly suggest to use stake live casino games, them games require skills and knowledge hence why all this new comers get attracted and traped in stake originals but don’t realise it is not for making money it is designed for a good entertainment purposes
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