How is the Start Card Determined?

[williamshennie9]

Hey everyone

While hunting this week's hilo challenge, I was wondering how the starting card is determined. This is before you click the "bet" button, and hence the seed can be changed before the bet is placed. So I don't believe the active seed pair determines the opening card. So is it completely random, or is there an algorithm which determines this card?

Thanks in advance 

[sharktank]

I think it's like a deck of cards (I mean seeds) if you payout and the next card is the card in the deck.

[Flan]

I was wondering about that too. If you choose your start card, is the top deck is changed or no? It is really change the seeds and bet id? Maybe the algorithm that used was, you start the first card, and then the arrangement of the cards was be made before you click the first card, and the result depends on your choice (high-low choose). 

Well, it just my assumption about that. Because it is really interesting to see, about the first card determined the game.

[Etude]

I would likely think that the starting card is random when shuffled button is clicked.

[EddieFx]

It’s probably random, I was wondering the same thing a while back but forgot about it. Maybe it’s determined by the last game? The next card that would be in that game might be the starting card, I have no idea  

[CaptainLorca]

It’s written under „Fairness“:

https://stake.com/fairness/overview

Its some math magic going down there. You can read it up under Number and Card.

[Snike]

I'm almost certain it's the next card in the deck that you played with (with ur seed) the round before. @Dan or @Edward can probably confirm any of this.

[williamshennie9]

1 hour ago, CaptainLorca said:

It’s written under „Fairness“:

https://stake.com/fairness/overview

Its some math magic going down there. You can read it up under Number and Card.

My understanding from this is that it explains how the cards are selected (or chosen), based on the seed pair. Since there is no information that the Stake server has before the bet button is clicked (the seed pair only actives when the bet button is pushed from my understanding), there is no way that the start card can be calculated using the method described there. Unless there is a hidden seed pair which determines the start card, I can't logically figure out how it is chosen.

[Dan]

The first card is not part of the provably fairnesss chain. The first card is selected by the player (you) and therefore can be anything you want. The chain starts at the second card when the game starts.

[williamshennie9]

6 hours ago, Dan said:

The first card is not part of the provably fairnesss chain. The first card is selected by the player (you) and therefore can be anything you want. The chain starts at the second card when the game starts.

Would I be correct in saying that the start card is completely random (determined by a random number generator), since the user can change it before the game starts? In other words, when you click that wheel button to change the start card, what algorithm is in place that chooses the next start card (when you click the button to select a new start card)?

I hope I am making sense.

[Dan]

7 minutes ago, williamshennie9 said:

Would I be correct in saying that the start card is completely random (determined by a random number generator), since the user can change it before the game starts? In other words, when you click that wheel button to change the start card, what algorithm is in place that chooses the next start card (when you click the button to select a new start card)?

I hope I am making sense.

Yes its random but not provably fair random because there's no need for it to be. Technically you can just rotate card until you ge tone you want. Originally the game idea was you pick your starting card.

[Etude]

4 minutes ago, Dan said:

Yes its random but not provably fair random because there's no need for it to be. Technically you can just rotate card until you ge tone you want. Originally the game idea was you pick your starting 

I see, so I guess it is random after all then the starting card.

[Kate]

I am probably guessing it would be random and i think it comes from the random number generator site and since you are the one who gets to pick the starting card not the provably fair system. But from the second one it would be the system itself.