Changes to Forum Awards value rating?

[williamshennie9]

Hey everyone

I have noticed that the value ratings for pay-per-post on the forum have changed, and the details in this post are a bit outdated. I first noticed the changes yesterday, on 20 December 2018:

 

Has anyone else experienced this, or is it just me? I'd appreciate it if a support or Admin member can jump in to provide some clarity  Looking forward to hearing from everyone

[Cheetos1337]

Bruh why do you complain if you spam the forum and have 500k sats???

[williamshennie9]

2 minutes ago, Cheetos1337 said:

Bruh why do you complain if you spam the forum and have 500k sats???

If you read my post, you would clearly see that I am asking for clarity, since no announcement was made on this (if there were in fact changes).

[wry]

Not sure if this is what you are referring to, but yes, forum rewards has been modified and no announcement was made.  @DarkBlood069 had a now deleted thread about it.  Basically the idea is to try and make using the forum more natural and less of an effort to amass satoshi.  I know that is @Dan's long held goal, which I share, and I think you can expect more changes as time goes on.  I won't speak for him, but my sense is that anything that moves posts and threads to be about making a contribution rather than just harvesting satoshi is the goal.

[Rantly]

What a @wry said sounds good, it stops abusers but i think it should also be increased since bitcoin dropped so much, and many add more rules to stop abusers.

[bmg]

A warning or announcement should be posted about thing like this but Dan or whom ever is in charge may just be busy or the changes might be just temporary.

[williamshennie9]

1 hour ago, wry said:

Not sure if this is what you are referring to, but yes, forum rewards has been modified and no announcement was made.  @DarkBlood069 had a now deleted thread about it.  Basically the idea is to try and make using the forum more natural and less of an effort to amass satoshi.  I know that is @Dan's long held goal, which I share, and I think you can expect more changes as time goes on.  I won't speak for him, but my sense is that anything that moves posts and threads to be about making a contribution rather than just harvesting satoshi is the goal.

Yes, that is exactly what I was referring to. Thanks for your explanation, I'm glad this has been implemented across the board, and was not just happening to me  Thanks again!

[Boyka]

We already know that pay per post changed  

[rajamishra]

yeh its required for genuine and valuable topic should be post and get suggestion and comments as per the topic 

 

hope u understand why admin done it 

[Shaniqua]

11 minutes ago, Boyka said:

We already know that pay per post changed  

honestly i did not know it had changed.
i thought it was the same as it was about a month ago,
what i have noticed is that the topics have been moved around to their appropriate areas,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
so if you once got pay for posting in a topic and you posted there again and didnt get it was probably cause it had been moved.

[Dan]

The only thing that has changed is how the algorithm calculates the payout. We haven’t reduced the max payout being 7500 a topic and 3000 a post, but I did tweak with the system to not always pay that value to people who only post in sections that reward for contribution.

in simple terms. Use the whole forum and you won’t even notice a difference.

[Shaniqua]

18 minutes ago, Dan said:

The only thing that has changed is how the algorithm calculates the payout. We haven’t reduced the max payout being 7500 a topic and 3000 a post, but I did tweak with the system to not always pay that value to people who only post in sections that reward for contribution.

in simple terms. Use the whole forum and you won’t even notice a difference.

thanks for the clarification,                                                                                                                                      
so for example if we post in forum games area to play and participate in games on forum,
that may potentially allow us to earn more on other places of the forum?

[Dan]

2 hours ago, Shaniqua said:

thanks for the clarification,                                                                                                                                      
so for example if we post in forum games area to play and participate in games on forum,
that may potentially allow us to earn more on other places of the forum?

Sort of yes, the most important thing is that you should use the forum to post content in all area's not just only post in paid areas, because that is considered abusing the system. Forum games don;t really contribute to post count so it's not really the most productive place to post but its better than just posting in paid areas on purpose, with the only intention on using this forum to make money rather than fuel a healthy ecosystem.

[williamshennie9]

4 hours ago, Dan said:

Sort of yes, the most important thing is that you should use the forum to post content in all area's not just only post in paid areas, because that is considered abusing the system. Forum games don;t really contribute to post count so it's not really the most productive place to post but its better than just posting in paid areas on purpose, with the only intention on using this forum to make money rather than fuel a healthy ecosystem.

Thank you for your clarification Dan! This makes a lot of sense, and I think that this change is a good one to bring to forum to a level where the ecosystem thrives

[davinmark]

5 hours ago, Dan said:

Sort of yes, the most important thing is that you should use the forum to post content in all area's not just only post in paid areas, because that is considered abusing the system. Forum games don;t really contribute to post count so it's not really the most productive place to post but its better than just posting in paid areas on purpose, with the only intention on using this forum to make money rather than fuel a healthy ecosystem.

Oh thank you for this clarification, i've been thinking what happen to my paid per post recently.

but i think its a good move, so people wont just stay at paid areas. i can understand that  

[KiXxnTRiXx]

I read one of Dans responses on a thread of the reason of the changes, perhaps not directly to this particular change, but he made a very valid point. The pay per post is not something they need to implement, they did so in order to show players their appreciation for taking part  and taking time to post and reply to threads. There has been a lot of abuse of his system and some players even felt like it is theyre right to get paid, which is definitely not the case. I would be lying if i said i wasnt here for the pay per post, because yes, one of the reason why i post is for the pay per post system. But, i will not complain or feel cheated about the change on the value, because we are lucky there is even a value at all. Our only right is to either stop taking part on the forum, or accept whatever changes they see fit.

[Mahdirakib87]

Yeah I also noticed it decrease. By the way I don't know in replying on which post will give me coin or which will not. But this a good decision to reduce the abuse of farming.

[Shaniqua]

On 12/21/2018 at 2:09 PM, Dan said:

in simple terms. Use the whole forum and you won’t even notice a difference.

hmmm, i dont think that is a totally technically accurate statement. 
i mean there is no real need for me to break it down and show you how the statement is not totally true, cause it will just give other users reading this forum abusing ideas or tactics.
however ive been meaning to do the maths to calculate some things, and work out exactly (given the most optimal conditions) which i wont share of course.... so others dont take advantage of things... however.......

from my crude calculations in my head (may be off a lot i need to do so on paper to get it right, but dont feel like it now) my estimate would be the total possible santoshi which can be earned is now more or less between 3/4th and 5/7th the max amount which was capable of earning using with the old algorithm.  in reality i think this new algorithm method encourages more spam  to those who who have a basic understanding of the inner workings of it.  but thats probably not many people... and it will probably  put a break on the spam attacks we got recently...

anyways, im not sure why im writing this.... oh yeah i guess the comment dan made kind of poked me in that,  a difference is noticed, even if the whole forum is used, and i guess he can argue that no a difference wont be noticed... because his view of using the whole forum and how frequently one posts in what are is relative and subject to differences upon his and others or my points of view... so there is no winning this argument really. im just saying what it is on my point of view.

have fun guys.

[Dan]

17 hours ago, Shaniqua said:

hmmm, i dont think that is a totally technically accurate statement. 
i mean there is no real need for me to break it down and show you how the statement is not totally true, cause it will just give other users reading this forum abusing ideas or tactics.
however ive been meaning to do the maths to calculate some things, and work out exactly (given the most optimal conditions) which i wont share of course.... so others dont take advantage of things... however.......

from my crude calculations in my head (may be off a lot i need to do so on paper to get it right, but dont feel like it now) my estimate would be the total possible santoshi which can be earned is now more or less between 3/4th and 5/7th the max amount which was capable of earning using with the old algorithm.  in reality i think this new algorithm method encourages more spam  to those who who have a basic understanding of the inner workings of it.  but thats probably not many people... and it will probably  put a break on the spam attacks we got recently...

anyways, im not sure why im writing this.... oh yeah i guess the comment dan made kind of poked me in that,  a difference is noticed, even if the whole forum is used, and i guess he can argue that no a difference wont be noticed... because his view of using the whole forum and how frequently one posts in what are is relative and subject to differences upon his and others or my points of view... so there is no winning this argument really. im just saying what it is on my point of view.

have fun guys.

You can theory-craft all you want, but for the most part, the most efficient way to farm satoshi now is to post in all areas. As it yields a higher return.

[williamshennie9]

17 hours ago, Shaniqua said:

hmmm, i dont think that is a totally technically accurate statement. 
i mean there is no real need for me to break it down and show you how the statement is not totally true, cause it will just give other users reading this forum abusing ideas or tactics.
however ive been meaning to do the maths to calculate some things, and work out exactly (given the most optimal conditions) which i wont share of course.... so others dont take advantage of things... however.......

from my crude calculations in my head (may be off a lot i need to do so on paper to get it right, but dont feel like it now) my estimate would be the total possible santoshi which can be earned is now more or less between 3/4th and 5/7th the max amount which was capable of earning using with the old algorithm.  in reality i think this new algorithm method encourages more spam  to those who who have a basic understanding of the inner workings of it.  but thats probably not many people... and it will probably  put a break on the spam attacks we got recently...

anyways, im not sure why im writing this.... oh yeah i guess the comment dan made kind of poked me in that,  a difference is noticed, even if the whole forum is used, and i guess he can argue that no a difference wont be noticed... because his view of using the whole forum and how frequently one posts in what are is relative and subject to differences upon his and others or my points of view... so there is no winning this argument really. im just saying what it is on my point of view.

have fun guys.

I have to disagree with you and agree with Dan, yes I've noticed a slight decline, but if you post valuable content evenly on most sections of the forum, and not specific sections, you should not see a big decrease at all. I actually fully support this new system, it is effective in preventing forum farmers in my opinion, who only post in certain sections.

[nuuuitsjdragon]

So to get this straight, participating in non-PayPerShare threads/sub-forums is recommended or rather - compulsory as members will now be penalised by only generating paid post/threads. 

Thus, is it correct to assume that even if I generate original content/threads/posts with a maximum limit of 3/day (and thus wouldn't not be considered spam), I'd still get lesser rewards as compared to if I had participated in other non-paid subforums/topics?

[Dan]

On 2/10/2019 at 12:59 PM, nuuuitsjdragon said:

So to get this straight, participating in non-PayPerShare threads/sub-forums is recommended or rather - compulsory as members will now be penalised by only generating paid post/threads. 

Thus, is it correct to assume that even if I generate original content/threads/posts with a maximum limit of 3/day (and thus wouldn't not be considered spam), I'd still get lesser rewards as compared to if I had participated in other non-paid subforums/topics?

Nothing is compulsory, not even us providing a forum reward system.