Babagucci Posted June 1, 2019 #1 Posted June 1, 2019 For the last few months of trying to explain to stake and it's staff that something is off with their games since the upgrade but it seems their not listening. I even sent a message to the CEO Mladen about my experiences with the new stake platform but didn't get a response. And after this past week it's clear I'm not the only player experiencing these issues because multiple players are complaining about the excessive losses but Stake seems to be chalking it up to us being gambling addicts and it's our fault we are losing so much. Well sure that might be some of the problem but not all of it. After hundreds of deposits with the same result, I'm over this nonsense. These games are putting out so many more losses, particularly Mines and even HiLo when compared to old stake. In fact if we could put up a side by side chart of total wins and losses with old stake vs new stake, I'm betting their would be a lot more red coming from new stake. I've been through extended losing streaks but this is seriously ridiculous. I don't know what exactly has changed since the upgrade but it's time to fix it. Until then, Im going back to my old playgrounds.
LOlzer Posted June 1, 2019 #2 Posted June 1, 2019 listen, I know you might get mad at me for saying this, but its just a casino, there are risks you take, remember the saying "the house always wins" yeah gotta remember that.
Stevenwonder Posted June 1, 2019 #3 Posted June 1, 2019 I will say their blackjack is probably the most house favorable blackjack I’ve seen. Countless times they pull 21 and I agree that it’s getting a bit fishy
Babagucci Posted June 1, 2019 Author #4 Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, LOlzer said: listen, I know you might get mad at me for saying this, but its just a casino, there are risks you take, remember the saying "the house always wins" yeah gotta remember that. No Im not mad at you for saying that, believe me I totally understand your point of view but if you played at Old stake before the upgrade you would understand what I was saying. 1 hour ago, Stevenwonder said: I will say their blackjack is probably the most house favorable blackjack I’ve seen. Countless times they pull 21 and I agree that it’s getting a bit fishy Don't even get me started on BJ lol..I never had luck with that game for some reason even on the old platform.
Administrator Steve Posted June 1, 2019 Administrator #5 Posted June 1, 2019 All bets can be verified to have been fair here https://stake.com/provably-fair/calculation I know when you suddenly win or lose a lot it's easy to attribute the results as being influenced by something that isn't a variable in the equation. In this case it was the Stake 2 launch. If you lost more after the Stake 2 launch it's not because of the website changes and it's just a coincidence that you happened to have bad luck at the same time. It goes back to correlation is not causation, the games haven't changed in any way that will make them payout differently. The win odds are the exact same as they were on Old Stake and as proof you can verify 100% of your bets.
Doraemon123 Posted June 1, 2019 #6 Posted June 1, 2019 Try to play other games than what you usually play..you will find it more beautifull..
Kate Posted June 1, 2019 #7 Posted June 1, 2019 Gambling can have two outcomes either a win or a loss and if you couldn't get that then i guess you should stop and then come back even you do understand. No offense.
polor12 Posted June 1, 2019 #8 Posted June 1, 2019 you cant be always wining.. or always losing.. there couldn't be no explanation that staff can say about the losing streak.. everyone have them.. if you felt that some thing wrong or off with a game.. why again deposit... or why keep playing the same game., everyone plays the chances.. gambling is all about chances.. plenty people complain and those same people still plays here.. i know days where some have a bad streak for a long then one they're on HR,,
nuuuitsjdragon Posted June 1, 2019 #9 Posted June 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Babagucci said: For the last few months of trying to explain to stake and it's staff that something is off with their games since the upgrade but it seems their not listening. I even sent a message to the CEO Mladen about my experiences with the new stake platform but didn't get a response. And after this past week it's clear I'm not the only player experiencing these issues because multiple players are complaining about the excessive losses but Stake seems to be chalking it up to us being gambling addicts and it's our fault we are losing so much. Well sure that might be some of the problem but not all of it. After hundreds of deposits with the same result, I'm over this nonsense. These games are putting out so many more losses, particularly Mines and even HiLo when compared to old stake. In fact if we could put up a side by side chart of total wins and losses with old stake vs new stake, I'm betting their would be a lot more red coming from new stake. I've been through extended losing streaks but this is seriously ridiculous. I don't know what exactly has changed since the upgrade but it's time to fix it. Until then, Im going back to my old playgrounds. Have you ever considered the fact that you have not (until Stake V2) experienced a bad losing streak yet? You may have been lucky all this time... as with gambling you never know when the lowest low will be or where your highest high will end. To help yourself along, you should put up a chart and look at the data before you make a conclusion. Until then... Good luck! 😊
jkd123 Posted June 1, 2019 #10 Posted June 1, 2019 You might just unlucky since v2 release. It's still same for me, old one or new one. Sometime I win and sometime I lose.
williamshennie9 Posted June 1, 2019 #11 Posted June 1, 2019 Ummm, do you not know how provably fair works? If you think Stake is manipulating your bet, why on earth are you still gambling here?!? The admins never reply to emails, so best to work through one of the support members who can help you.
bmg Posted June 1, 2019 #12 Posted June 1, 2019 I think your just having a bad run it happens to all of us trust me I think I'm on the worst run of my life right now. Things will fall back in line for you sooner or later and when you least expect it...Bam! you will win
Doraemon123 Posted June 1, 2019 #13 Posted June 1, 2019 When lose they complain..if win no one complain..lmao
Babagucci Posted June 1, 2019 Author #14 Posted June 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Steve said: All bets can be verified to have been fair here https://stake.com/provably-fair/calculation I know when you suddenly win or lose a lot it's easy to attribute the results as being influenced by something that isn't a variable in the equation. In this case it was the Stake 2 launch. If you lost more after the Stake 2 launch it's not because of the website changes and it's just a coincidence that you happened to have bad luck at the same time. It goes back to correlation is not causation, the games haven't changed in any way that will make them payout differently. The win odds are the exact same as they were on Old Stake and as proof you can verify 100% of your bets. 2 hours ago, Kate said: Gambling can have two outcomes either a win or a loss and if you couldn't get that then i guess you should stop and then come back even you do understand. No offense. 56 minutes ago, williamshennie9 said: Ummm, do you not know how provably fair works? If you think Stake is manipulating your bet, why on earth are you still gambling here?!? The admins never reply to emails, so best to work through one of the support members who can help you. 3 hours ago, iamsheikhadil said: I would disagree with you. On stake 2, I'm getting higher profit than ever. My luck on dice and limbo didn't change and stayed good while my luck on plinko and keno has improved drastically! I think it's our mere placebo effect and co incidence if we feel we are losing and winning more because remember, it's all gambling and nothing is guaranteed here. And all bets can be verified so there's no question of manipulation at all. If you feel you are losing too much, take a break and save up a bit @williamshennie9 No William I don't, please explain what "Provably Fair" means, I think everyone would love to know coming from such a gambling expert like yourself. And then maybe you can explain what the "House Edge" means as well as how the two correlate with each other. @Steve Hey Steve, thanks for replying. I'm not doubting the fairness of any game at Stake, I also know all about the house edge at 1%, Provably Fair, and verifying bets. However with Mines, when playing in manual mode only, this game is not playing with that smooth functionality like it once did like in v1. Now I know you said the game hasn't changed in anyway that would make them payout differently but I have to disagree because I can't play Mines v2 in manual mode the same way I could in v1. If I try to which for example, one technique I used was spamming the tiles which would usually bring me great success. However If I try this with v2 the tiles will either not open properly, opening in the wrong order than I selected or just won't turn altogether when game ends. Because of this, the outcome is getting affected. @Kate thanks for the tip, I'll keep that in mind.
barbaris Posted June 1, 2019 #15 Posted June 1, 2019 This is a casino and you can not always win as we all would like. Playing in a casino, we deliberately go to lose. Maybe your losing streak will end soon. Good luck.
williamshennie9 Posted June 1, 2019 #16 Posted June 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Babagucci said: No William I don't, please explain what "Provably Fair" means, I think everyone would love to know coming from such a gambling expert like yourself. And then maybe you can explain what the "House Edge" means as well as how the two correlate with each other. lmao. yes I can explain that. Take dice for example. Each outcome is randomly 1/10000. So if the house edge was zero, and you aimed to roll 100.00, then the payout should be 10,000x. But the payout is lowered to 9900x give the casino the difference in earnings. So the house edge comes from the reduced payouts offered. Mic drop!
Shaniqua Posted June 1, 2019 #17 Posted June 1, 2019 5 hours ago, bmg said: I think your just having a bad run it happens to all of us trust me I think I'm on the worst run of my life right now. Things will fall back in line for you sooner or later and when you least expect it...Bam! you will win then again, if one can just put the entire thing aside and decide not to play for a while.... by choice and by will.. then all the powert to them, as that is one thing i want to do but have topuble
ceastem Posted June 1, 2019 #18 Posted June 1, 2019 As you mentioned, you always got back what you lost before, or at least win every once in a while. Long losing streaks like what you are saying right now is normal. If you continue to bet like you always do nowadays, perhaps with higher bets, you can surely get back what you lost these past few days. Goodluck! and try to switch between strategies between now and then cause one strategy will only be useful till it's not anymore.
Shaniqua Posted June 1, 2019 #19 Posted June 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, ceastem said: As you mentioned, you always got back what you lost before, or at least win every once in a while. Long losing streaks like what you are saying right now is normal. If you continue to bet like you always do nowadays, perhaps with higher bets, you can surely get back what you lost these past few days. Goodluck! and try to switch between strategies between now and then cause one strategy will only be useful till it's not anymore. hmmm isnt that the gamblers fallacy? what you are implying is since there is a long streak of reds, sooner or later the greens will come, becuase of the long streak of reds right?
ceastem Posted June 1, 2019 #20 Posted June 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Shaniqua said: hmmm isnt that the gamblers fallacy? what you are implying is since there is a long streak of reds, sooner or later the greens will come, becuase of the long streak of reds right? Yes. Even if that's the case, the green will still come, just like how the losses came after winning continuously, wins will inevitably come too. Of coure assuming that you have enough balance to go on.
artizykristy Posted June 1, 2019 #21 Posted June 1, 2019 I also feel that after this long red update I got enough to increase rapidly from 50 now to 110 but I didn't experience a lot of losses because I knew when to stop.
cointikka Posted June 1, 2019 #22 Posted June 1, 2019 The problem with Gambling is, When you get REKT you are mad and angry on the service provider. When you earn 1000x profit you are happy as a Kid and love the service provider more than your mother. This is gambling someday you are King and someday you are not. Grow up! my friend and stop venting frustration on this forum. Nobody has asked you to play, you took the decision and you are only responsible for your loss.
nattekut Posted June 1, 2019 #23 Posted June 1, 2019 I am in the same situation but in my opinion it has nothing to do with the upgrade. I started using the hilobot 2 weeks before they switched to V2 and I must admit those 2 weeks I hit everything I chased for and turned for example 500k into 0.23BTC. But I can not say it was because of playing the old stake. I think its just a matter of luck. a casino isnt made to make you profits in the long run or to make you profits at all. A casino is a well oiled moneymaking machine. And the high payouts and hits some people do are just good for marketing but will never hurt the casino. You maybe can have a day or week you win everything and cashout 0.5 or even 1BTC but I am sure if we talk some time later again you will have lost that amount again. If you really want to make money from gambling I would suggest you to get yourself some top notch value betting software and get into sport betting. I have been doing this for almost 11 years now and in general I am in a huge profit
rajamishra Posted June 1, 2019 #24 Posted June 1, 2019 hello friends its obviously when someone lose continuously in their own game style he or she recate,may be two things either what the strategy previously used its in older version somehow not worked in stake 2 or the pattern what they follow before it is little bit different. i am also miss calculated when 100x max red in old 189 red but in stake i got 510 reds last few days before.what was steve said its kinds of unlucky period to lose continuously may be its also a cause .here in gambling i purely believe luck is the most essential ingredient in gambling . hello @Babagucci take break from gambling a weekdays hope your luck change when u came back. good luck buddy
sdsdfbsfsd Posted June 1, 2019 #25 Posted June 1, 2019 try check bet fairness and change seed once every few bets im afraid its like this no pain no gain as they say
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