hillowner45 Posted July 14, 2019 #1 Posted July 14, 2019 I was checking the house edge using the wizard of odd's blackjack house edge calculator and used the following settings and attained the advertised house edge of 0.485%. Number of decks of cards used: There wasn't an infinite deck option so I chose the highest amount, 8 Dealer hits or stands on a soft 17: Stands Player can double after a split: Yes Player can double on: Any first two cards 9-11 Player can resplit to: 2 hands Player can resplit aces: No Player can hit split aces: No Player loses only original bet against dealer BJ: Yes Surrender rule: None Blackjack pays: 3 to 2 My problem is that stake uses an infinite amount of decks in its version of blackjack but in this calculator the highest amount of decks was 8, so wouldn't the house edge actually be higher than 0.48%?
cryptonesiac Posted July 14, 2019 #2 Posted July 14, 2019 Probably just a minimal increase... But it would be interesting to know if there's really an infinite amount of decks used or not
barbaris Posted July 14, 2019 #3 Posted July 14, 2019 It seems to me that in all games an infinite number of decks are used. But I no longer like blackjack. Infinite decks do not allow calculating which cards are out of the game, otherwise the players would have a greater advantage than the casino.
hillowner45 Posted July 15, 2019 Author #4 Posted July 15, 2019 9 hours ago, barbaris said: It seems to me that in all games an infinite number of decks are used. But I no longer like blackjack. Infinite decks do not allow calculating which cards are out of the game, otherwise the players would have a greater advantage than the casino. Yeah it would be nice to have the rules clearly stated. Even if there werent infinite decks the casino would still have the advantage because the decks are reshuffled after each bet. But the less decks there are the lower the house edge is, because to a certain extent the player would be able to track the number of cards in the deck as the hand plays out.
nuuuitsjdragon Posted July 15, 2019 #5 Posted July 15, 2019 Infinite decks add only a minimal amount to the house edge... I have a thread somewhere in the BlackJack sub-forums with knowledge I’ve garnered from WoZ (love the website) as well. It does play out differently for me as compared to an 8-deck game though - maybe it’s the luck factor that I’m lacking at Stake. 😫
smithclarkson01 Posted July 15, 2019 #6 Posted July 15, 2019 Blackjack is easily the best game in the casino math-wise. Video poker has its fans, but at the end of the day, you can bet more on a hand of blackjack. Unless you’re a committed low roller, this gives blackjack the advantage over video poker. Multiple factors affect how much money you’ll lose (or win) over time when playing blackjack in a casino. The house edge is a major factor, but your level of skill, how fast the dealer is, and how lucky you are also play a big role, too. https://9appsapk.vin https://vidmateapp.vin https://vlc.vin/ If you come away from this blog post with only one actionable suggestion, let it be this: Always use basic strategy when playing blackjack. That’s the best way to get the best chance of winning at the blackjack tables.
Etude Posted July 15, 2019 #7 Posted July 15, 2019 It does really seem to me from the long duration I played it since release of Stake that the decks is very likely infinite.
CntryBoy Posted July 15, 2019 #8 Posted July 15, 2019 20 hours ago, hillowner45 said: I was checking the house edge using the wizard of odd's blackjack house edge calculator and used the following settings and attained the advertised house edge of 0.485%. Number of decks of cards used: There wasn't an infinite deck option so I chose the highest amount, 8 Dealer hits or stands on a soft 17: Stands Player can double after a split: Yes Player can double on: Any first two cards 9-11 Player can resplit to: 2 hands Player can resplit aces: No Player can hit split aces: No Player loses only original bet against dealer BJ: Yes Surrender rule: None Blackjack pays: 3 to 2 My problem is that stake uses an infinite amount of decks in its version of blackjack but in this calculator the highest amount of decks was 8, so wouldn't the house edge actually be higher than 0.48%? I agree that it would increase it slightly being that there are an infinite number of decks. Let me ask you this... if you use that calculator and input 1 deck, 2 decks... all the way up to 8 decks (which is max), how much does the house edge % increase with each additional deck? Obviously there is no way to know the exact increase with infinite decks, but it would give an idea of the change with each added deck.
hillowner45 Posted July 15, 2019 Author #9 Posted July 15, 2019 3 hours ago, CntryBoy said: I agree that it would increase it slightly being that there are an infinite number of decks. Let me ask you this... if you use that calculator and input 1 deck, 2 decks... all the way up to 8 decks (which is max), how much does the house edge % increase with each additional deck? Obviously there is no way to know the exact increase with infinite decks, but it would give an idea of the change with each added deck. Yeah the increase in house edge is exponential, it tapers off the more decks there area. 1 deck is -0.15% house edge, 2 decks is 0.22%, 4 decks is 0.39%, 5 decks is 0.43%, 6 decks is 0.45%, 8 decks is 0.48%. You could easily formulate an equation and find out what the house edge for infinity decks would be. I don't think it would be 0.48% though...
williamshennie9 Posted July 15, 2019 #10 Posted July 15, 2019 I'm not actually sure how the house edge is calculated. If an admin member, or support member could explain it to us, that would be great. I know certain factors such as splitting and doubling affect the house edge.
SLFJ Posted July 15, 2019 #11 Posted July 15, 2019 Multiple factors affect how much money you’ll lose (or win) over time when playing blackjack in a casino. The house edge is a major factor, but your level of skill, how fast the dealer is, and how lucky you are also play a big role, too. I agree, and when you play, you have to be wise and not say it's rigged if the dealer mostly wins. It was your choice to either hit or stand, and the dealer just did it for you.
Mistake Posted July 15, 2019 #12 Posted July 15, 2019 I dont know much about blackjack but i sure dealer in stake only make me trigerred
kaleemmalik071 Posted July 16, 2019 #13 Posted July 16, 2019 i don't know but i knew that when ever i try to play black jack only reds comes . win and loss ratio is worst for me on blackjack
CntryBoy Posted July 16, 2019 #14 Posted July 16, 2019 12 hours ago, hillowner45 said: Yeah the increase in house edge is exponential, it tapers off the more decks there area. 1 deck is -0.15% house edge, 2 decks is 0.22%, 4 decks is 0.39%, 5 decks is 0.43%, 6 decks is 0.45%, 8 decks is 0.48%. You could easily formulate an equation and find out what the house edge for infinity decks would be. I don't think it would be 0.48% though... That is pretty much how I imagined the house edge would increase when continuing to add decks. And you are correct saying the house edge calculation stated seems a bit low for infinite decks. I am pretty confident though that even with infinite decks, it would still be the lowest house edge of any other game here...
Babagucci Posted July 16, 2019 #15 Posted July 16, 2019 I hate stakes blackjack because not once have I started a session and came out with profit at the end. I don't get it but I never have any luck playing blackjack here. Now I just avoid it for the most part. Every once in a while I will come back and see how it plays but as predicted it always dissapoints me.
dkpiiit953 Posted July 23, 2019 #16 Posted July 23, 2019 Unfortunately a minimal estimate I think, to see
hillowner45 Posted July 24, 2019 Author #18 Posted July 24, 2019 On 7/16/2019 at 11:56 AM, Babagucci said: I hate stakes blackjack because not once have I started a session and came out with profit at the end. I don't get it but I never have any luck playing blackjack here. Now I just avoid it for the most part. Every once in a while I will come back and see how it plays but as predicted it always dissapoints me. Same man... I'm having the same experience as you. I always start off in the green, but the momentum changes so quickly and I have experienced worse red streaks than even on dice...I play perfect basic strategy as well. Not to mention my double downs.... oof
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niki014 Posted October 14, 2019 #21 Posted October 14, 2019 i dunno how it is calc at 0.48 house edge maybe ask eddie in next stream how does the blackjack works i would like to know cuz it is weird from my point of view there is no decks so it is random card generator with blackjack rules
Dp10011 Posted December 9, 2019 #22 Posted December 9, 2019 My biggest curiosity in this game is how many decks are used in Stake Blackjack. The site in the rules of the game does not report. This may increase the edge of the house.
Elmango Posted December 20, 2019 #23 Posted December 20, 2019 No, it's not. They are unfairly advertising a lower one. I actually opened a ticket a week ago: But they don't seem to care, nobody replied to my emails. But in short, that calculator is made with all combinations of cards that can make up each total but the assumption when using infinite decks is that the cards you have do not affect your chances. Their real house edge is .57%. I posted a couple videos explaining how to calculate it for infinite decks (made by the same person who made the calculator they used) but I don't think anybody took the time to go through everything.
nuuuitsjdragon Posted December 20, 2019 #24 Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Elmango said: No, it's not. They are unfairly advertising a lower one. I actually opened a ticket a week ago: But they don't seem to care, nobody replied to my emails. But in short, that calculator is made with all combinations of cards that can make up each total but the assumption when using infinite decks is that the cards you have do not affect your chances. Their real house edge is .57%. I posted a couple videos explaining how to calculate it for infinite decks (made by the same person who made the calculator they used) but I don't think anybody took the time to go through everything. Maybe you should bring this up to Eddie himself to look at this, at least he has the power to make decisions if need be. I think this is something that he should care about... hopefully. I'll help to bump your post up to main page for sake of more attention. 😇
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