Same Server-Client Seed Pair for All Games

[blueprints]

Ok so I had brought this topic up around the time stake first opened, but I never got that much feedback. But I have a feeling I'll have better luck this time.

I had noticed that the seed Pair was the same for all the games. No matter what game was played the nonce went up by one. 

Seems harmless right! Until you start to hunt for a high payout on plinko, mines, dice, etc. . .   Then you realize that if your hunting a high payout and then bet on a different game, that bet could have been the winning bet you just spent tens of thousands of bets hunting for. 

I think it would be much better if every game had its own server and client seed Pair! That way each games roll outcome can be independent from activity on other games therefore be more suitable for hunting high payouts. 

Do you guys agree? And if I'm misunderstanding how the rolls are made (but im pretty sure im understanding correctly) please let me know. Thanks! 

 

[CntryBoy]

1 hour ago, iamsheikhadil said:

If you think that one losing bet on one game could have been a winning bet on another , it's very much possible for one winning bet on one game could have been a losing bet on another.

I completely agree.  I am not exactly sure how it all correlates from game to game as far as if a bet on one game would have won/lost on another game.  It would be nice I think if there were separate ones for each game so if I'm hunting on one game and switch games, I could go back to the other game confident that my hunt hasn't been "compromised" in the seed.

[wngo123]

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I think it would be much better if every game had its own server and client seed Pair! That way each games roll outcome can be independent from activity on other games therefore be more suitable for hunting high payouts. 

I agree 100%. I noticed when I have a really bad loosing streak on one game and then the 'bad luck' is following me to the other game. The situation like that is then hopeless and you know you are going to bust no matter what. Not sure if they would want to change it though because probably they would loose money over it. They would be simply more winners. At least in theory, but for me doesn't matter what I do even after changing seeds wen I have 'bad lack rolls' nothing could stop it until I bust. lol

[nattekut]

I never take seeds into account and I even rarely change my seeds. I just play and go one with having some fun. We just all are playing on a casino platform and we all depend on luck. So changing the seed will not rely help you cause you fully depend on luck and randomness. 

[Kippo]

4 hours ago, blueprints said:

Ok so I had brought this topic up around the time stake first opened, but I never got that much feedback. But I have a feeling I'll have better luck this time.

I had noticed that the seed Pair was the same for all the games. No matter what game was played the nonce went up by one. 

Seems harmless right! Until you start to hunt for a high payout on plinko, mines, dice, etc. . .   Then you realize that there's a chance that one losing bet on one game could have been a winning bet on another. And that win maybe could of been a high payout you had been hunting right before roll hunt chat game started. . . 

I think it would be much better if every game had its own server and client seed Pair! That way each games roll outcome can be independent from activity on other games therefore be more suitable for hunting high payouts. 

Do you guys agree? And if I'm misunderstanding how the rolls are made them, please let me know. Thanks! 

 

Yeah i also thoughts about that while hunting high multiply on one game . If I changed seed how would i do my last hunting high multiply payout  for another game. It can be fresh seeds too . Or not?  Seeds should be separate for each game 

[CntryBoy]

12 hours ago, Kippo said:

Seeds should be separate for each game

It would be really nice if they were and make it easier to continue a hunt if you've left it and come back to try again.  However, I honestly doubt that this will ever happen sadly.

[star555five]

Yes, I also mean, that changing seed don't affect game result so much.

When every game have own seed it will be so many seeds there that it will be little complicated. I mean it is fine now.

[kaleemmalik071]

17 hours ago, blueprints said:

I think it would be much better if every game had its own server and client seed Pair! That way each games roll outcome can be independent from activity on other games therefore be more suitable for hunting high payouts. 

Do you guys agree? And if I'm misunderstanding how the rolls are made them, please let me know. Thanks! 

yup man i agreed as we all like to hunt bigger payouts in all games . i think your point is clear we all need different seeds for each game if its not effect on game but at least it 'll satisfied us that there is no excuse if we are not able to hunt those payout

[sheenazbay]

I agree, so it's not mixed with one seed for all games, sometimes we get long red in one game that makes our balance run out, and wants to continue tomorrow because tomorrow we can make a deposit tomorrow. and of course we want our game to not be interrupted, but there is a tele challenge that requires us to participate, which makes the nonce of the seed will change if participating in the tele challenge, therefore I agree if each game has its own seed

[Ali saher]

I don't think seed affected on game I play here last 5,6 months and I never change my seed many times I win big and many time I lose but mostly when I lose there is my some mistakes 

[rajamishra]

hello friends before today i think every gave their own seed when i change game change seed accordingly,but now its surprisingly single seed for all games.hope now if i continue played in same seed may be winning chances increase .hope this time take chance for it and wait for the result.   

[SLFJ]

I completely agree and it's sometimes a pain in the a$$ to miss the high multiplier than you've been hunting for a very long time and without knowing that you missed it and it would make you boil in anger if you missed by recovering it and wanted to come back to hunt, I think  have missed a few 1kx on limbo like this, fuck that limbo took me 3.5k rolls for 1k x, but I still got it in the end, so I'm not mad, but still was a hustle to just think about how much time and funds I have wasted on that 1 hunt.

Just really hurts to think about it, I think others don't really like this fact too.

Kind regards,

slfj.

[Kate]

Yeah that would be a great idea or feature to be added and plus if we want we can click on some button that makes the seed for this game only or makes the seed for all the games on the site. 

[StakePay]

It is possible
the result for different game is different with same client and server seed,
because every game is different so result has to be different.

I rarely notice this thing.
Be clear to say that stake is probably fair website. (i m saying this even after i got some unbelievable losses on 1.01x)
if we able to prefect next roll then there is no chance to website to survive.

Don't create nonsense topics...

[blueprints]

On 8/1/2019 at 9:05 AM, iamsheikhadil said:

This logic is flawed. 

If you think that one losing bet on one game could have been a winning bet on another , it's very much possible for one winning bet on one game could have been a losing bet on another.

Even if the pairs aren't changed for each game, it is still random because the nonce increases. 

Hence it doesn't matter if the pair changes or not, the result will still be unpredictable and random.

I'm saying not having separate seed pairs for each game interrupts players hunting high payouts. Never said it's not unpredictable and random. 

21 hours ago, nattekut said:

I never take seeds into account and I even rarely change my seeds. I just play and go one with having some fun. We just all are playing on a casino platform and we all depend on luck. So changing the seed will not rely help you cause you fully depend on luck and randomness. 

Well if you ever hunt really high payouts that need tens of thousands of bets then you will care more about your progress being interrupted because you bet on other games. 

 

8 hours ago, CntryBoy said:

It would be really nice if they were and make it easier to continue a hunt if you've left it and come back to try again.  However, I honestly doubt that this will ever happen sadly.

Yeah, because eventually you would win. But the way stake has their provably fair, it eliminates that eventually unless you make an account dedicated to hunting on one game. Which HINTHINT if this is what they don't want then would be smart thing to do. 

[barbaris]

I think you are right. For each game, having separate seeds was great. This would be very convenient when hunting for high multipliers in a particular game.

[CntryBoy]

27 minutes ago, blueprints said:

Yeah, because eventually you would win. But the way stake has their provably fair, it eliminates that eventually unless you make an account dedicated to hunting on one game. Which HINTHINT if this is what they don't want then would be smart thing to do. 

I suppose that's not a bad idea, but I'm just going to stick to the one account... lol.  I could only imagine everyone creating a separate account for each game...

[blueprints]

8 hours ago, kaleemmalik071 said:

yup man i agreed as we all like to hunt bigger payouts in all games . i think your point is clear we all need different seeds for each game if its not effect on game but at least it 'll satisfied us that there is no excuse if we are not able to hunt those payout

Thanks! Im sure there is a big enough demand for this. I mean i remember when Primedice would have their random mandatory seed pair change so many people would get upset because their progress in their hunts was lost. 
 

8 hours ago, sheenazbay said:

I agree, so it's not mixed with one seed for all games, sometimes we get long red in one game that makes our balance run out, and wants to continue tomorrow because tomorrow we can make a deposit tomorrow. and of course we want our game to not be interrupted, but there is a tele challenge that requires us to participate, which makes the nonce of the seed will change if participating in the tele challenge, therefore I agree if each game has its own seed

Yes this is another point, telegram challenges and rollhunts! It sucks to have to bet with zero amount because you dont have a balance and cant deposit but dont want to miss out on the challenges. Its a huge inconvenience!
 

6 hours ago, SLFJ said:

I completely agree and it's sometimes a pain in the a$$ to miss the high multiplier than you've been hunting for a very long time and without knowing that you missed it and it would make you boil in anger if you missed by recovering it and wanted to come back to hunt, I think  have missed a few 1kx on limbo like this, fuck that limbo took me 3.5k rolls for 1k x, but I still got it in the end, so I'm not mad, but still was a hustle to just think about how much time and funds I have wasted on that 1 hunt.

Just really hurts to think about it, I think others don't really like this fact too.

Kind regards,

slfj.

Exactly thanks for your comment! I dont think many like this but also dont get Eddie or Stake Teams attention enough to this too. 

There may very well be many who are not even aware of how this provably fair system works too! or simply havent realized the same seed pair is used for all games. But main people it affects is those hunting high payouts. 

 

6 hours ago, Kate said:

Yeah that would be a great idea or feature to be added and plus if we want we can click on some button that makes the seed for this game only or makes the seed for all the games on the site. 

Ah yes this would be even better! Because a plus with using same seed pair for all games is being able to quickly increase the nonce number in the pair. so when you hit a unlucky streak on your favorite game u can play other games and then come back to your favorite game and hope to hit a lucky part in the seed pair. (hopefully skipping the unlucky part and moving to or close to a luckier part)

So a feature like this would give players the option for specializing their seed pair for hunting or for randomness. 

[cukup2]

 

I like your idea so when we play in a different game, we have different seeds, the same as when we play crashes, our seeds don't change because crashes have their own seeds, if all games like that might be easier for us to pursue big payouts. Hopefully this will be realized by the stake

[Mateusz]

On 8/1/2019 at 1:35 PM, blueprints said:

Ok so I had brought this topic up around the time stake first opened, but I never got that much feedback. But I have a feeling I'll have better luck this time.

I had noticed that the seed Pair was the same for all the games. No matter what game was played the nonce went up by one. 

Seems harmless right! Until you start to hunt for a high payout on plinko, mines, dice, etc. . .   Then you realize that if your hunting a high payout and then bet on a different game, that bet could have been the winning bet you just spent tens of thousands of bets hunting for. 

I think it would be much better if every game had its own server and client seed Pair! That way each games roll outcome can be independent from activity on other games therefore be more suitable for hunting high payouts. 

Do you guys agree? And if I'm misunderstanding how the rolls are made (but im pretty sure im understanding correctly) please let me know. Thanks!

You are wrong and right. You can skip the winning game, but you mostly will skip the losing ones. Let's say u have a new seed-pair, and your "winning roll" for the hunting is sitting somewhere around 60-80 bet. So basically if u do 50 nonces on other games you will just need to hunt for 10-30 games to get that winning roll, a simple explanation by image made by me, when u hunt mines for example:

U r not losing anything because of that seed-pairs being connected with all games, it's all comes up to luck, and for real, seed changes nothing, u get lucky and get ur winning roll in few first rolls or in the next thousands of rolls.

If you wanna hunt 5mil-x payout on mines, and ur "winning roll" happens to be placed on nonce-150million then you really would love to skip some of the nonces by other games if the basebet of yours wouldn't be 0 because getting to that 150million nonces would cost you alot more than that:)

[williamshennie9]

I guess if they had a server seed for each game, then people could expect to lose more frequently (in my opinion). This is because the house edge will be the same for each game, and not spread out over a number of games. I hope that makes sense.