General Discussio about DDos Attack games round should be refunded or

[rohitgames]

Note : This post is general discussing for stake player ,  for being transparent

 

 i placed a bet on blackjack 5000$  and was not able to give my decision on time because of DDoS attack confirmed by eddie himself 

 I lost 5000$ due to Evolution getting DDoS attack and Stake doesnt refund :S? 
 

every other casinos in world would refund this type of situations 

 

look @ responds i got from Eddie in picture

 

do you its fair to do this to PLAT 6 who lost 450k$ in past also any other player 

IS IT safe to gamble high stake  if someone place bet 50000$ and lose it because of these reasons how can we trust


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[Mystik]

If evolution got Ddosed which impacted your decision to hit or stand then the game should've been cancelled and you refunded?

 

Very unethical to not refund that...

[rohitgames]

1 minute ago, Mystik said:

If evolution got Ddosed which impacted your decision to hit or stand then the game should've been cancelled and you refunded?

 

Very unethical to not refund that...

you can this topic will be remove soon u can see how unethical it will be am even video recording this topic to show in youtube how stake mods delets topic which is fair to discuss

[Mystik]

2 minutes ago, rohitgames said:

you can this topic will be remove soon u can see how unethical it will be am even video recording this topic to show in youtube how stake mods delets topic which is fair to discuss

I feel for you, Eddie is openly admitting that they were DDosed. The game should've been cancelled and refunded.

[Damiyat]

I agree, should be refunded.

[sha4ravi]

Yea ....i agree stake should refund

[19PlutoBani85]

Its Loud and Clear everything that its Stake's fault, well we know all abt stake errors and He deserves to get the refund coz he didn't lost it in bet its the attack made all this.

Tbh Stake should refund him and its not a huge amount for Stake.

[BROWTH]

Idk it s not really their fault

[exqlode]

its not stakes fault, its evolutions fault, even if its only 10 dollars why should eddie give out money for things that are not even stakes fault 

but im deffinitely with you, you should get a refund but instead of the provider evoluiton

[smtgboring]

imo not stakes fault

[Mystik]

1 hour ago, exqlode said:

its not stakes fault, its evolutions fault, even if its only 10 dollars why should eddie give out money for things that are not even stakes fault 

but im deffinitely with you, you should get a refund but instead of the provider evoluiton

You obviously don't understand how it works. Evolution is the provider. Stake is the casino that pays you out. The money you lose doesn't go to evolution, it goes to stake.

Stake merely pay evolution for hosting the games..

 

 

 

[kanamekun]

While I understand how Stake had / has to pay for Evolution hosting the bets, it's the fault of Evolution, but Stake should acknowledge the fact that there was no way to have properly played the round through. 

 

1: Eddie HIMSELF is admitting that "Evolution got DDoSed". This is already a bad move for Stake, imo, because it's a staff member admitting that there was an unpreventable issue with the Game that the player did not have control of.

 

2: If EVOLUTION got DDoSed, why are THEY not acknowledging the bet being placed and unable to have properly continued?

 

3: This was not in any way Stake's fault. They are a Casino. HOWEVER, I would immediately pack my bags and leave if I was blatantly told that I would have a game round that was acknowledged to be with error not of the player, not canceled and refunded and / or made null and void. Essentially just donating my crypto to Stake.

 

In my personal opinion, Stake should consider this round as a Provider error, as the player has done nothing wrong, and the Player should not suffer as a result of shitty DDoS protection from said Provider. He should be refunded, I believe, due to this error - even if not just out of courtesy to a high-level VIP.

 

What if this was a streamer doing $20k USD hands on Salon Privé Evolution tables and the Provider got DDoSed? Would they be refunded?

 

EDIT: Saying you were going to hit on 14 is weird. Who knows if you would have won anyway since you already split? Now I get why Eddie doesn't think you should be refunded, as if you'd played properly, you would have lost anyways. 

[Dan]

Hello @rohitgames,

All technical based issues need to be processed through [email protected]

This way they can be investigated and possible fixes and reimbursements can be addressed with the operator/provider. I have responded to your email and require some additional information to handle this case.

[19PlutoBani85]

Those who voted on No, are the real Hater's 

[Kurt16]

Yes, i agree state should be refund 

[dupeddonk]

DDOS attacks don't affect the outcome of bets, they only prevent you from making as many bets as you'd like.  Since players don't have an edge, Stake is the one the loses money in DDOS attacks, not players.

[Dexthesexx]

Tech support doesn’t help man. Even my issue on crash with a clear video proof of cashout button not appearing there’s 0 refund. Crash is stake originals and I didn’t get a refund or a proper answer to the issue. Their answers are vague af.  Considering what happened to me I doubt they going to refund as its evolution.

I do agree they should refund you. In any real life casino if the dealer ( casino) fucks up they should cancel the round. Stake doesn’t care about the players based on my experience. Even as a diamond player they don’t give a dam about you, they take forever to give you an answer and their answers are super vague without solutions or refunds. 

[v1rtu0s]

I would find it outrageous if they dont. 

Would be a really really shitty move. They can afford it, too. 

[fredo386]

2-3 years ago i was playing on evolution black jack on a top 10 licensed casino, at the time considered one of the best. After losing many hands i shoved a huge bet and i was dealt 5-2 and then i got kicked out of the game then casino. Only to return to a loss. They said i had lost internet connection and they had verified with my ISP to confirm this after an investigation i requested. The thing i had not mentionned yet was that they had also taken the bet TWICE. So when i saw they were outright lying i dropped the reveal. If i was disconnected... How i was able to bet a few seconds later the same amount? They had fucked themselves up as then it meant i couldnt have been disconnected if they were right.

So in the end i won my case, proved them cheat and had my first proof that casinos cheat and evolution is the biggest cheat of all. They are paid a nice fortune by casinos to cheat for them. People keep saying evolution doesn't take bets but they are paid by casinos to do the job or they will not appear on their game list. I then investigated and kept track in forums and on other places to see the complaints and such to realize it's common, in fact so common it's basically on purpose. They cheat a bet every now and then to increase benefits but not too much to make it obvious but just enough to be worth it. Then with other casinos i had my bets rejected... and all sort of stupid things. Chase a casino to make them pay my bet and have them say i have not won bla blak. To realize (roulette) that everytime i rip and stop betting.. one of my number land ... to shit my face and make me think i wouldve hit. Then noticed it was all the time as i started skipping bets or removing bet on a number here and there just to see... it land haha. So yeah casinos wouldnt want to pay me bets when bet is rejected because they knew i wouldnt have won.

So yeah, they disconnect or cheat all they can. I'll ask you the question i asked myself the very first time i started playing live tables. "Why is my screen so laggy, why all is blurry, why does it feel like they running on modem 56k?". Like ezugi roulette is insane. Then through research i realized they just lag and crash to skip screen, change the footage show the ball land where they want etc. Ezugi was fake multiplayer with bots so without knowing i was alone betting so it was easy to get what is going on.

So yeah i did high roll.. they let you hit if they want to. If they don't you either get fucked or if somehow you get away with it... gl trying to withdraw. Stake is instant but i wouldn't be surprised if i ever won huge and it would.. just not work lol.

[deadash]

I would personally find it harsh if they do not refund. But there is probaly something in the TOS already

[Dan]

Hello all, 

Evolution have closed the case, there is definitive proof that this player was interacting with the provider during this particular bet. Regarding the reference to "evolution ddosed" that was just speculation on Edwards side.

I will not disclose personal information regarding this case but can provide the following:

Game Details

Game Id: 16894122084265c7e785b717
Type: Blackjack (blackjack)
Table: Classic Speed Blackjack 30 (nep224c3xecqyyl4)
Start: 2021-06-17 03:32:35 UTC
Wager: 5000 USD
Payout: 0 USD
Player Net: -5000 USD
Status: COMPLETED
Dealer: 6 of Diamonds, Jack of Hearts, 2 of Spades (18)
Player seat 1: 8 of Spades, 8 of Diamonds (16)
Split seat 1: 8 of Spades, 6 of Diamonds (14)
Player seat 2: 7 of Clubs, 4 of Clubs, 6 of Hearts (17)
Player seat 4: 7 of Hearts, 5 of Spades (12)
Player seat 5: 6 of Clubs, 8 of Diamonds (14)
Player seat 6: 4 of Clubs, King of Clubs (14)
Player seat 7: 2 of Spades, 6 of Hearts, Jack of Hearts (18)

Figure 1: Game status (Green lines for transaction mean that connection was live from start to finish)

 

Figure 2: Evolution response.