Is Dicebot Discussion Prohibited?

[ltcDaddy]

Hello Support team,

I noticed a thread I was active in discussing lua script for dicebot was deleted. Before I contributed I checked the Forum Rules for such discussions and did not see anything that would indicate sharing scripts (or in my case helping a user edit theirs) was prohibited. 
I understand Stake does not support third party bots, but did not realize the discussion of them and their associated scripts were not allowed.

I guess I did not look hard enough, so will someone please clarify or link me to the guidelines for discussing dice bots and other third-party tools/resources that are prohibited so I don’t accidentally get myself muted or banned?

 

Thanks!

[haritha]

yeah my post is deleted.

[ltcDaddy]

1 hour ago, haritha said:

yeah my post is deleted.

Did you get any notification or indication that it happened and why?

[Micika]

Yes, we do not normally talk about it. Like you explained, third party bots are not supported so no discussion on it.  You will not be banned for it.  Just keep in mind not to post is again. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers!

[ltcDaddy]

3 minutes ago, MilicaR said:

Yes, we do not normally talk about it. Like you explained, third party bots are not supported so no discussion on it.  You will not be banned for it.  Just keep in mind not to post is again. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers!

Thank you for the response - I understand the concern it’s just quite confusing because I saw a moderator recommend the use of dicebot on a thread as recent as last week.
 

Since bots are currently the only way to accurately, completely, and reliably have full bet records, can you please give an indication on when I won’t need to rely on one in place of the incomplete and inconsistent bet archive?

 

Thanks in advance. 

[haritha]

36 minutes ago, ltcDaddy said:

Did you get any notification or indication that it happened and why?

No

18 minutes ago, MilicaR said:

Yes, we do not normally talk about it. Like you explained, third party bots are not supported so no discussion on it.  You will not be banned for it.  Just keep in mind not to post is again. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers!

Noted..

[Micika]

Hi ItcDaddy,

You can find your old bets by following this link: 

 

As for the bet archive, you can see it here: 

We do not do bot support. Hope this helps. Best regards!

[ltcDaddy]

@MilicaRYes I know where those things are located and how to access/view them. The problem is that they are missing bet data - as in, literally do not have records for some bets. A good recent thread on this is shown here:

This is a widespread issue for over a year.

I cannot verify bets that appear to not exist according to Stake’s archives. Win or lose, the wagers were still made, as reflected in the player balance and nonce skip as well as any bet collection the player does themselves (ie, dicebot). 
 

Is there any plan to fix the missing bets problem? 
 

Thanks for your input!

[Micika]

Also, like I mentioned we do not support using any kind of bots. To make it clear, they can cause harm not only to your device but also to your account. For these reasons, we have implemented advanced auto betting which is much more useful then using the bots. You can check your bets in the bet archive, and the mistakes occurred there do not happen frequently, but when they happen in most cases the bets you can not see at that moment you will be able shortly. If not, contact our live support to assist you together with our tech team. 

[ltcDaddy]

3 hours ago, MilicaR said:

we have implemented advanced auto betting which is much more useful then using the bots.

If I don’t use a bot then there are bets that cannot be verified. This worries me for multiple reasons I shouldn’t have to explain. 

3 hours ago, MilicaR said:

You can check your bets in the bet archive, and the mistakes occurred there do not happen frequently

This is unfortunately not true. I’m not sure how Stake defines “frequently” but nearly every file I have checked in my archive has missing bets. The number of missing bets is now in the thousands and happens nearly every day that I play. 
 

3 hours ago, MilicaR said:

when they happen in most cases the bets you can not see at that moment you will be able shortly

I still have missing bets from months ago.

3 hours ago, MilicaR said:

If not, contact our live support to assist you together with our tech team. 

Several players have confirmed on these forums that live support won’t provide resolution.

The conversation goes similar to this one we are having:

Support: They are in the archive. 
Player: No, they are not. 
Support: They should be. 
Player: Well, they are not. 
Support: They WILL be.

And they never show up. Unless it takes over a year, I suppose. 
 

My goal here is not to instigate but to trust Stake with my money. I know you don’t care whether or not I play on Stake because I am nobody. The purpose is to bring attention to an obvious problem that literally requires a third party program or me writing down every hash/seed/nonce combo just to be able to use the Provably Fair verify tool on any given bet. 
It’s hard to be probably fair when you are withholding bet data. 
 

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. 😀

[haritha]

On 7/18/2021 at 9:25 PM, ltcDaddy said:

Did you get any notification or indication that it happened and why?

.

 

[dupeddonk]

On 7/18/2021 at 12:13 PM, MilicaR said:

Yes, we do not normally talk about it. Like you explained, third party bots are not supported so no discussion on it.  You will not be banned for it.  Just keep in mind not to post is again. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers!

Please check with other moderators before making claims like this.  Bots are not technically supported by Stake, that means Stake is nor responsible for the consequences if a player uses them.  But they've been discussed on the forum for years and still being discussed in the community today.