Stake says they pay all wins not provider like push on mt magma

[Arcx]

Ok so that sounds legit .  

Except I was highly critical regarding jamming jars 2   96.4%  Rtp% .

I have quite a bit of experience playing this game.  We can say well it's over a million spins yada yada.

Anyways after calling out CEO of push on Twitter the RTP% for me became even worse . 

Heres my thing I believe if Stake can't control Rtp% and it's all on provider , I'm saying provider has ability on server side to manipulate hash/seed for the better or worse .

If casino pays all ,what's to stop a rogue provider from slipping in a random Joe and taking the casino here and there .   They would surely profit a ton more if they were to alter hash seed on the server side and casino would be paying more than casino pays to lease the games off provider.

I'm not saying all providers would do this but providers that use same algorithm and different skin sure could and casino would  have to pay.

 

I'm just saying cuz I know ever since Twitter war I play same game and it  was horrendous thousands of dollars later I get a $4 bonus it pays $2.20 .

Im talking $2k in a session and biggest win I got was like $6.60 .

Being a statistics major you can imagine the #s driving my mind crazy but I won't be surprised if a random comes in and smacks mount magma for big one leaving casino hold bill!!!!!!!!

[Arcx]

17 hours ago, Arcx said:

Ok so that sounds legit .  

Except I was highly critical regarding jamming jars 2   96.4%  Rtp% .

I have quite a bit of experience playing this game.  We can say well it's over a million spins yada yada.

Anyways after calling out CEO of push on Twitter the RTP% for me became even worse . 

Heres my thing I believe if Stake can't control Rtp% and it's all on provider , I'm saying provider has ability on server side to manipulate hash/seed for the better or worse .

If casino pays all ,what's to stop a rogue provider from slipping in a random Joe and taking the casino here and there .   They would surely profit a ton more if they were to alter hash seed on the server side and casino would be paying more than casino pays to lease the games off provider.

I'm not saying all providers would do this but providers that use same algorithm and different skin sure could and casino would  have to pay.

 

I'm just saying cuz I know ever since Twitter war I play same game and it  was horrendous thousands of dollars later I get a $4 bonus it pays $2.20 .

Im talking $2k in a session and biggest win I got was like $6.60 .

Being a statistics major you can imagine the #s driving my mind crazy but I won't be surprised if a random comes in and smacks mount magma for big one leaving casino hold bill!!!!!!!!

IDK how a rtp% can be so high 96.4 % yet continue to pay worse especially after PUSH blocked my social media , same screen name as Twitter .  Coincidence it is not there's only 2 things that count real & fake I told them really fake don't count !!!

[dupeddonk]

I think you're greatly overestimating your ability to estimate statistics based on your experience gambling. 

For example you say you have over 1 million spins:

20 hours ago, Arcx said:

I have quite a bit of experience playing this game.  We can say well it's over a million spins yada yada.

I'm sure it seems that way, but...

On JJ2 it takes takes 4-5 minutes to do 100 spins - and that's only if you don't trigger the free spins.  Let's call it 2.5 seconds per spin.  To do 1 million spins it would take 694 hours of constant spins on turbo.  That's 28+ straight days of spinning.  And the game only came out last June.

You aren't going to be able to prove the RTP based on your own personal results for a highly volatile game like this.

[AdamD55]

13 minutes ago, dupeddonk said:

You aren't going to be able to prove the RTP based on your own personal results for a highly volatile game like this.

This is the key point for every slot. The theoretical RTP for a slot is based on every player on every casino (not individual RTP), so even if you did spin 1 million times, you’re never going to get the exact RTP promised. Sometimes you’ll get more, sometimes less. 

[Arcx]

5 hours ago, AdamD55 said:

This is the key point for every slot. The theoretical RTP for a slot is based on every player on every casino (not individual RTP), so even if you did spin 1 million times, you’re never going to get the exact RTP promised. Sometimes you’ll get more, sometimes less. 

WRONG every player is not going to be on level 2 ,level 3 or level 4 or max.  Jerkin jars 2 keeps players progress in the game. 

Now with that being said 1 other factor distinctly is of importance that is JERKIN JARS 2 ALSO KEEPS PLAYERS POSITION IN GAME BASED ON COIN USED DURING WAGER...

SO IF YOU REACH MAX ON GIGAJAR GO PLAY IT WITH A DIFFERENT COIN GUESS WHAT? 

USING DIFFERENT COIN FOR INSTANCE WILL NOT START YOU ON LEVEL YOU WERE AT.

Ypu have to switch back to coun used to get max.

These distinct properties tell you alot about the disposition of the games make up which validate my point that , yes RTP% CAN BE BASED ON MILLIONS OF SPINS BUT IN THIS CASE ,THE ACTUALLY PLAYER & SLOT DEVELOP A COVALENT BOND WHICH PLAYER HAS TO Play TO ACHIEVE SO 

THIS BOND WHICH IS PROPIETARY TO PLAYERS POSITION AND COIN NEGATES RTP % BASED ON OTHER PLAYERS OR SPINS  OR COIN TYPE , SINCE THE RTP% IS NOW FUNDAMENTALLY THE PLAYERS REWARD OR ACHIEVEMENT IN THIS TYPE OF GAME..

SO THIS LITERALLY BEGINS TO Easily STANDOUT AS FLAWED BASED ON GAMES OWN DISPOSITION.

NOW LOOKING AT  THE GAME DESIGN AND POINTING OUT THIS FLAW BECOMES OBVIOUS.

THIS IS WHY PUSH DESIGNER AND CEO OR WHOEVER IT WAS KNEW THEY HAD ZERO ANSWERS FOR SOMETHING  I MATHEMATICALLY WAS ABLE TO SHOW PROOF ..

 

SO THE RTP% THEORY HOLDS TRUE BUT NOT IN THIS SCENARIO NOR EVEN CLOSE TO TRUE .

EVER SINCE I WAS CRITICAL ITS CLEAR PUSH ALTERED SERVER  SIDE WITH A EVEN WORSE RTP% FOR EXPOSING  LOGIC INSTEAD RETALIATION  WAS  THERE CHOICE...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AdamD55]

5 hours ago, Arcx said:

WRONG every player is not going to be on level 2 ,level 3 or level 4 or max.  Jerkin jars 2 keeps players progress in the game. 

Now with that being said 1 other factor distinctly is of importance that is JERKIN JARS 2 ALSO KEEPS PLAYERS POSITION IN GAME BASED ON COIN USED DURING WAGER...

SO IF YOU REACH MAX ON GIGAJAR GO PLAY IT WITH A DIFFERENT COIN GUESS WHAT? 

USING DIFFERENT COIN FOR INSTANCE WILL NOT START YOU ON LEVEL YOU WERE AT.

Ypu have to switch back to coun used to get max.

These distinct properties tell you alot about the disposition of the games make up which validate my point that , yes RTP% CAN BE BASED ON MILLIONS OF SPINS BUT IN THIS CASE ,THE ACTUALLY PLAYER & SLOT DEVELOP A COVALENT BOND WHICH PLAYER HAS TO Play TO ACHIEVE SO 

THIS BOND WHICH IS PROPIETARY TO PLAYERS POSITION AND COIN NEGATES RTP % BASED ON OTHER PLAYERS OR SPINS  OR COIN TYPE , SINCE THE RTP% IS NOW FUNDAMENTALLY THE PLAYERS REWARD OR ACHIEVEMENT IN THIS TYPE OF GAME..

SO THIS LITERALLY BEGINS TO Easily STANDOUT AS FLAWED BASED ON GAMES OWN DISPOSITION.

NOW LOOKING AT  THE GAME DESIGN AND POINTING OUT THIS FLAW BECOMES OBVIOUS.

THIS IS WHY PUSH DESIGNER AND CEO OR WHOEVER IT WAS KNEW THEY HAD ZERO ANSWERS FOR SOMETHING  I MATHEMATICALLY WAS ABLE TO SHOW PROOF ..

 

SO THE RTP% THEORY HOLDS TRUE BUT NOT IN THIS SCENARIO NOR EVEN CLOSE TO TRUE .

EVER SINCE I WAS CRITICAL ITS CLEAR PUSH ALTERED SERVER  SIDE WITH A EVEN WORSE RTP% FOR EXPOSING  LOGIC INSTEAD RETALIATION  WAS  THERE CHOICE...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You honestly have no clue. Like I said previously, RTP is theoretical, and based on all players playing the game on all casinos. It doesn’t matter about the giga jar position. 
 

If you don’t like the game, or provider, play something else and stop whining

[Arcx]

Oh Wow theoretical , WRONG this is basis of the entire slot machine there's nothing theoretical about it.

I have owned numerous slot machines that are actually illegal to own , open them up ,changed rtp%  on caveman keno ,Cleopatra ,jade monkey ,tiki torch .  

Nothing theoretical about RTP% when you stick these in your establishment and your paying  every other person that comes in .

Far from theoretical but when you move let's say Caveman keno from it's max RTP which is 94.5 %   to its lowest which is 84.5% ,  now instead of paying every other person your paying 1 out of 10 maybe 2 that's it ...so yeah far from theoretical  it's a actual setting inside Game Kings you just need to set it where you wa nt it

[xMoonKnight]

@dupeddonk every time someone calls foul, you are readily available to retort the contrary. Do you even read the OP's full post before starting your argument? If you work for Stake, just say so. 

[dupeddonk]

 

32 minutes ago, xMoonKnight said:

@dupeddonk every time someone calls foul, you are readily available to retort the contrary.

Not true.  Only when they call foul with little or no evidence, nonsense, or make false claims.  (I also call out stake when I disagree with their actions).

 

33 minutes ago, xMoonKnight said:

Do you even read the OP's full post before starting your argument?

Yes.

 

33 minutes ago, xMoonKnight said:

If you work for Stake, just say so. 

If I did I would say so.  I don't.

[Arcx]

19 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

 

Not true.  Only when they call foul with little or no evidence, nonsense, or make false claims.  (I also call out stake when I disagree with their actions).

 

Yes.

 

If I did I would say so.  I don't.

No what are you saying ,I'm saying that Jerkin jars 2 is a 3rd party slot that advertises different RTP%  and that's per manufacturer . 

Stake has to pay those not provider , what I'm saying is that if 3rd party slot manufacturer controls the  RTP% and Stake has to payout all wins .

What is to stop the slot manufacturer from sliding in some random person manipulating the hash /seeding server side and sticking Stake with the bill or payout to some random person .

In this case look at mt magma what happens if some random person slips in hits the big one on that slot albeit because it's a 3rd party provider if they control RTP % that means they can control if Stake has to pay alit or little .

[Takadhun]

20 hours ago, xMoonKnight said:

@dupeddonk every time someone calls foul, you are readily available to retort the contrary. Do you even read the OP's full post before starting your argument? If you work for Stake, just say so. 

He did make a sound argument, and the other is as good as well. That shitty Jammin Jars game is just literally full of shit. It’ll only give you ONE huge win then there lies the rub, The Shadow order game is by far the worst, i have unlocked the 4 heroes there, and in a week im lucky to get 1 hero appear and still not hit a fucking thing. Hahahaha. 
 

Hammerfall is still the best game i think. 😂

[dupeddonk]

12 hours ago, Arcx said:

No what are you saying ,I'm saying that Jerkin jars 2 is a 3rd party slot that advertises different RTP%  and that's per manufacturer . 

You're saying that you somehow determined the true rtp using your background in statistics and making over 1 million bets on the game - but without actually sharing any statistics (other than the 1 million+ spins, which I don't believe).

I'm saying no, you didn't figure out the true rtp.  You can't figure it out just by playing  such a high volatility game.

I'm not saying the advertised rtp is correct or incorrect, we're just not given enough information to know either way.

 

12 hours ago, Arcx said:

What is to stop the slot manufacturer from sliding in some random person manipulating the hash /seeding server side and sticking Stake with the bill or payout to some random person .

I guess the only thing stopping them is the fact that stake would drop them, word would spread and they'd lose a lot of future potential revenue.  Stake has had issues with providers in the past, those providers get dropped and their reputation is damaged.

Stick with provably fair games if you want to know you're not being cheated.

 

[Rzasoy]

Wait, is Maunt Magma slot exclusive for Stake ??

[Arcx]

Who are you referencing?  

My point is that ever since I roasted PUSH gaming on Facebook and Twitter,I called them "Pragmatic wannabe ,etc" literally jerkin jars 2 paid me in $2,000 maybe 4hr session $100 , a $4 bonus paid$1.60 , I for sure had RTP% manipulated .  

This is the case , we know for fact the RTP % is set by manufacturer , so we know for a fact they can alter the RTP% .

Stake says they pay all wins , what I'm saying is if that's the case it would be most profitable to drop some random associated with PUSH in to any casino and hit big on any push slot using the method that they can control which is RTP% manipulation on server side in real time..

I'm saying this will happen with my magma by some 1st time rando just cuz push can make it happen. 

 

[dupeddonk]

On 10/2/2021 at 2:19 PM, Arcx said:

I for sure had RTP% manipulated .  

You don't  can't know that for sure.  It's possible, but I doubt the provider found your account and reduced your rtp because you said mean things about them on twitter.

Even if they programmed the games so that they could change the rtp for each individual player, why would they do it to someone that was publicly complaining?  Wouldn't that only encourage them to complain more and do things like create threads on forums to rant about about losing?

[NoMoreTax]

On 9/28/2021 at 5:30 PM, dupeddonk said:

 

Stake has had issues with providers in the past, those providers get dropped and their reputation is damaged.

 

 

Which providers has Stake dropped in the past that caused issues? 

[dupeddonk]

4 minutes ago, NoMoreTax said:

Which providers has Stake dropped in the past that caused issues? 

They dropped gameart and isoftbet for a few months when there was an issue with an exploit.

[Slots4Poker]

On 9/25/2021 at 3:13 PM, Arcx said:

 

Being a statistics major you can imagine the #s driving my mind crazy but I won't be surprised if a random comes in and smacks mount magma for big one leaving casino hold bill!!!!!!!!

 

Go back to the school that you paid for statistics courses. They didn't work.  

[naomihendrix]

i question rtp on slot providers also

[vikpro2000]

rp dosent matter every time

[fredo386]

You know when i was streaming.. i had a mega host form a popular streamer. Suddenly reactoonz i was playing dropped 1500x right after the big host and a playn'go rep told me to have a good day and left. I have no proof and i don't really need any to understand what had just happened there. The astonishing number of ''coincidences'' i had like that kind of made me understand things do not go as we are told. Later learned that casinos can give more, but couldnt give less as no one would see a problem to receiving more. Well i see a problem... A real serious problem but that's just me.

Also a group i played would send me a special offer with a code everytime i was complaining of ahving a mega losing streak. Magic the codes would give me a run that was jackpot after jackpot.  I even had a vip manager lose her temper with me and let go she had given me a vip reward set to win because she had pity for me and i wasn't supposed to win. So i let you guess, programmed win... i wasn't supposed to win? How was i not supposed to win? Hehe think about it.

[Arcx]

There's no doubt it's 100% that the hash seed is manipulated on the server side that's obviously how they control RTP whether it be the provider or the host.

For for steak to say they pay all wins and don't control the RTP is 100% a lie.

We know for a fact that the hash seed is manipulated whether it be on the host side or server side that's how they control our rtP why would anyone else say otherwise

This is like the same as believing that someone Roshan or whoever playing plinko for like $2,000 a ball obviously the outcome is dictated and obviously he's not playing for millions of dollars that would be retarded but they lead you to believe that it's real money when obviously it's not this is just a ploy

[harrywatson94]

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[harrywatson94]

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