Provably fair = Stake is able to anticipate the client seed

[J-Dawg]

What are the risks involved with changing my client seed manually?

Players are given the option to manually adjust the client seed when playing any of Stake's games. Why would you want to manually adjust your client seed? Many players do this with the intention of manually handling the randomness and adding in a bit of personal luck into their results. From an objective perspective, this does not change the randomness involved in each of the rolls. However, there is a certain risk incurred when a player chooses to use the same client seed for subsequent rolls. The risk is that the gambling institution, in this case Stake, would be able to anticipate the client seed the player will use and adjust the result in the house's favor.

[dupeddonk]

Provably fair does not equal Stake being able to anticipate the client seed.

8 hours ago, J-Dawg said:

Why would you want to manually adjust your client seed?

So you can verify your bets.

For them to anticipate the client seed with any result, they would need to anticipate the exact client seed, character for character.  If they were able to do this, then they could choose a 'bad' server seed for you.  I suppose they could also anticipate a pool of bad client seeds that would match multiple possible player seeds. 

And even if they did anticipate your seed, it doesn't end there - they would also need to effectively anticipate your choice of game, bet sizing and number of nonces to next seed rotation.

But if your client seed doesn't exactly match one that they anticipated, even if it's one character off, then it's back to unpredictable. 

So, if you want it to be impossible for them to anticipate your seed, don't choose predictable client seeds.  And obviously don't let them choose for you. If you're really paranoid, hash a long string of characters 4 or 5 times and use that.

[J-Dawg]

Objectively you sound like the world's biggest Stake shill dupeddonk. Never new to offer, just the usual rehearsed speech that isn't fooling anyone anymore. You user name is even an insult to the people you are fooling "Duped" (to be fooled) "Donk" (a moron)

It has been proved, and anyone who can program well, will tell you Provably Fair is a joke. 

Muta (Someordinarygamers) already exposed how these unregulated casinos are chainging the back ends in those "provably fair" games live while they are in play.

On top of it, 90% of the scene comes from the CSGO gambling days. Same people, operating the same "duping" to donks, but this time, with some new story to tell eveyone how it's all legit

If it's so legit, why is there no mandatory AMLC checks or KYC? Why have none of these "provably fair" games been certified by a proper licensed commision to see if they are exactly what they claim to be? Every casino in the world that isn't trying to hide something (unregulated) has these. And when they are caught out, which many time they are, they pay 20 to 200 million dollar fines.

I'm sorry but the game is up on this Provably Fair BS, cat is out the bag, Watch Coffezillas and Someordinarygamers 6 part expose if you don't think the cat's out now. 
 

[dupeddonk]

5 hours ago, J-Dawg said:

Objectively you sound like the world's biggest Stake shill dupeddonk. Never new to offer, just the usual rehearsed speech that isn't fooling anyone anymore. You user name is even an insult to the people you are fooling "Duped" (to be fooled) "Donk" (a moron)

It has been proved, and anyone who can program well, will tell you Provably Fair is a joke. 

Muta (Someordinarygamers) already exposed how these unregulated casinos are chainging the back ends in those "provably fair" games live while they are in play.

On top of it, 90% of the scene comes from the CSGO gambling days. Same people, operating the same "duping" to donks, but this time, with some new story to tell eveyone how it's all legit

If it's so legit, why is there no mandatory AMLC checks or KYC? Why have none of these "provably fair" games been certified by a proper licensed commision to see if they are exactly what they claim to be? Every casino in the world that isn't trying to hide something (unregulated) has these. And when they are caught out, which many time they are, they pay 20 to 200 million dollar fines.

I'm sorry but the game is up on this Provably Fair BS, cat is out the bag, Watch Coffezillas and Someordinarygamers 6 part expose if you don't think the cat's out now. 
 

Did you read my post?  I explained that, yes, a casino operator anticipating player seeds is one way a provably fair method can be exploited.  

There are other ways as well, some of which are explained in the sources you gave.

In the end, provably fair methods don't guarantee that an outcome will be determined fairly.  And it doesn't protect an uninformed player from being exploited.  But it does prove, after the fact, whether or not an outcome was determined fairly - assuming the player is taking note of the server hash before hand, validating the bet after, keeping track of nonces and choosing a client seed that the casino can't anticipate.

And even then, there are still other ways the casino could exploit it, like determining when to force a player to change their seed after a seed pair is set, or preventing the player from continuing to wager.

But that doesn't make any of your ridiculous claims true.  All good Programmers don't think the 'system is bs'.  The code doesn't have to posted on github for it to matter.  Plinko is based on math. The code used to determine the bet outcome is public. etc...  Also, the title of this thread is nonsense, it doesn't make sense. 

[maverick528]

Stake cant change the server seed in response to your client seed.

Because the next server seed you will get is already announced before changing seeds.

 

[dupeddonk]

2 hours ago, maverick528 said:

Stake cant change the server seed in response to your client seed.

Because the next server seed you will get is already announced before changing seeds.

 

I think his point (before the rant) was that they could guess what the players next seed could be and then choose the next server seed accordingly. So if a player chose 'seed1' then 'seed2' then 'seed3', the house could choose a 'bad' client seed ahead of time anticipating next client seed change would be 'seed4'.

 

The way to prevent this is obvious - choose a client seed that can't be anticipated.

[dutchgirl]

I believe that seeds can be manipulated on user level. How to explain the enormous win streaks of streamers otherwise ?

[AlphaStorm]

By setting the client seed, the player makes sure that no one chooses a deliberately bad series of numbers for him. plus you should understand that the casino CANNOT predict your playing style

[Chamreen]

That's right never change the server seed..only people who choice in her playing..

[fredo386]

On 11/6/2021 at 1:59 AM, mmiikkee1520 said:

about time someone else seeing through dupeddonks bullshit.  thought I was the only one.  little fucker gets paid by stake

same with you ghostnipple you flip flopper.  obviously stake gave you a bag to keep your mouth shut too.  you used to shit on provably fair constantly then boom, instant turn around and now defending prov fair on every thread.  you guys are all a bunch of losers.

The day you'll see me flip flop and start defending probably rigged, please finish me off please... lol. I prove day after day that the results i get cannot happen randomly. They are predictable and certain decisions alter the outcomes in the same direction making it easy to create situations where randomness is impossible. I showed many people already. For curious people, track your rtp. Everytime you hit big on slots go on dice do some bets on low multis, do the same after big losses on slots. After a while review you RTP on said dice. Don't be surprised if you realise your RTP after big wins on dice is 50% and is 200% after big losses on slots. I have multiple ways to show yourself that the whole thing is a joke, this is just one. A second example, if i hit huge on any online casinos, licensed or not i return here on stake and i go dice 4x and i hit 20-30-40+ fails in a row and dice just destroy every deposits one after another, every, single, time. You probably saw me swear in chat while doing this, many confusing my rage for the money loss but it's not that. It's things i do on purpose, to show myself the scam, day after day. There is no chance in the world that randomness is in play when everytime i hit huge elsewhere stake destroy me completly and when i get destroyed elsewhere suddenly stake becomes smooth. The stake system is so dam tight that it never fails to do the trick. They have only 2 different ways when i hit huge elsewhere. Either it rips me on a world record rip streak right of the bath and never go back up OR they give a few quick hits early to lure/bait and make believe all is good i can play THEN boom the world record ripstreak! And that is just 2 easy ways.

I can discord to people like i did before and explain what i do, why and the expected results and you will just want to puke all day. I can show you how i can't win, why and what they do. I can explain the reasons why they rip or hit at certain times that is not related with luck at all but psychology and how the games and system algorythms are programmed to play with us, manipulate us, make us bet more, take more risks. How they can give rips that will always force you to dig deeper in your wallet before giving the wins always the same algos that repeat the same processes on and on and on it gets so boring my results are always the same over and over. I play the same games on repeat on same bets taking same chances at same time for a reason: it makes my results precise and expose the system. If you mix bets and games all the time your results will never mean anything. If you repeat same process everytime and always have the same results, over and over and over. If the supposed random system systematically fails to give different outcome or results then provably fair is not real.

p.s.: To people always asking why i still play, there are things only deep addicts can understand. But other than that, all my friends are here in chat. The site makes it in a way that with the reloads, rains, tips, chat that after some time our entire world is stake. They make it so that at some point quitting forever means no more friends, rains, tips you become alone. If one thing they really did well was to set their death trap. You most likely can understand what im talking about. Have you ever tried to exclude yourself for a week like i did? My life was empty. I spent so much time in the past year on stake that everyone i talk to are there, my social life is there and im really not the only one. What do you do when your entire social life is locked on a site where all games are set to fuck you deep. Lured by the chat, killed by the games, lured back by the chat, rekilled by the games... it never ends and it ends up like a choice between freedom alone or keep the chains with my friends. This text.. are the reasons why i am still here and so pissed off at stake and open mouthed about it. Enough is enough, people have to open their eyes or suffer because stake proved me everyday that they have no care for humans. There system is not built for humans... you wouldnt even set up a system like that for cattle. This was set by dark people, people that have no care for humans or anyone, the worst of the worst. Optimizing profit making to such an extent where you destroy everyones lives and throw them like garbage... I mean they rinse players then beat them everyday with rewards that dont do fuck all but rip... they torture players till they give up and disappear. Lure, rinse, torture, get rid of move to next new target. In the past the industry was trying to keep us alive to take our paychecks forever... now they lure,rinse,get rid of players in a way... I never seen the player base online that devastated ever its like an atomic bomb landed on us.

 

[Savatage79]

When I read these type of threads I admit I'm not thr guru of gambling in life, I have won decent money from many casinos and had great runs and cold runs alike...but at end of the day I'm a regular dude just tryin to have a little fun , but that doesn't mean I don't drop a ton monthly, however when it comes to all the discussion in this thread I sorta feel I'm out of my element.

Things I do know is I can't win here at all, and I have had like 1 maybe 2 little 1000 cash outs in thousands spent. As a regular Joe should I even bother ? Or is what I'm reading is basically this place is just rigged up for steamers and the regular joes are basically not going to amount much of anything here?

I love the game selection , but I also have to say I don't see how random = losing 99.9 of the time , that isn't random to me. 

But In any case who here are just regular folks that have won decently and can vouche for actually having good sessions periodically?

[bizzmac]

1 hour ago, Savatage79 said:

When I read these type of threads I admit I'm not thr guru of gambling in life, I have won decent money from many casinos and had great runs and cold runs alike...but at end of the day I'm a regular dude just tryin to have a little fun , but that doesn't mean I don't drop a ton monthly, however when it comes to all the discussion in this thread I sorta feel I'm out of my element.

Things I do know is I can't win here at all, and I have had like 1 maybe 2 little 1000 cash outs in thousands spent. As a regular Joe should I even bother ? Or is what I'm reading is basically this place is just rigged up for steamers and the regular joes are basically not going to amount much of anything here?

I love the game selection , but I also have to say I don't see how random = losing 99.9 of the time , that isn't random to me. 

But In any case who here are just regular folks that have won decently and can vouche for actually having good sessions periodically?

I second every word you said , it feels like an uphill battle.  I got to the point where I am scared and numb , incapable of even choosing a slot to try next after already 70% of my balance went down the drain without any sign of rtp or even remotely decent hit .. 
So 30% left , and I sit there, all Fun somewhat dead now because lets face it .. going down 500 straight bets on any slot ain't fun what so ever.  
So yea, i don't know men .. i wonder if its us that are so naïve to believe that what streamers present to us as daily life is even real.  
Some streamer has a 3 Million Dollar balance and seem to maintain it pretty nicely .. so i scale it down, 300$ but i can't hold it for even a day ... since nothing ever wanna hit and pay me back what was lost , so I end up losing all .. my coins, my Time and Fun.  Feeling like i am the Idiot for even thinking for a second i could actually win anything here.