Seeds…. Let’s be real!

[Cly07]

Does the seed actually have an affect or are you simply just going to win whenever it’s your time to do so? I’ve went on so many loosing streaks trying everything after withdrawing good amounts that it’s not even funny. As if they make sure to get every last bit of it back before turning the switch back on for you to have a even a chance once again. 

[Savatage79]

I'm convinced that only people in cahoots win here, its not a normal casino.  The normal ebb and flow of a casino doesn't happen here at all.

[dupeddonk]

A Sha256 hash is 256 bytes that is unique to basically any string of characters.

This is the Sha256 hash of that sentence ^^^:  052ce152ff85925ea7dd772889608af76b4c04d624adf9990871e7ca80d10403

Here's the Sha256 hash of just 'a': ca978112ca1bbdcafac231b39a23dc4da786eff8147c4e72b9807785afee48bb

Here's the Sha256 hash of 'Cly07': 196124e9c4cd934b207d39f84f4635180a7e78de90e951924e00c0739d9f857c

What makes these hashes useful is that they are always the same length - doesn't matter if you're hashing one character or millions of characters, and changing just one of those characters results in a completely and unpredictably different hash. (google the Avalanche effect in Cryptography).

 

To determine the outcome of a bet, Stake takes your seed and combines it with their seed (and also the nonce and a cursor) and hashes it.

Both seeds influence the outcome of the bet.  But because you don't know the server seed, and Stake didn't know the Client seed when they picked the server seed, neither of you know how it influence the bet.

So to answer your question, yes - it has an affect on the outcome, but because you don't know what the server seed is - you don't know what that effect is.  The reason you're given the ability to change it is so that you can check and see if the House cheated or not afterwards.

[Cly07]

15 hours ago, mmiikkee1520 said:

don't listen to anything dupeddonk says. he works for stake and is in full damage control 100% of the time when anyone dares to question stakes fake provably fair system.  run away while you still have some money.

To late. Busted lol but sure seems like a lot of shady shit takes place at time but have never seen anything a bigger joke than blackjack originals on there it’s absolutely the very worst and biggest joke of them all without a doubt. I like blackjack and find myself playing it all the time thinking there’s no way my “luck” can be as bad or even worse the dealers “luck” be as good as it is to end up getting beat the ways it constantly beats you. Not realistic whatsoever and think we need to start a petition to even do away with it lol.  

[seboafc]

 🦄🌈❤️:eddie:❤️🌈🦄

this is a great and lucky seed!😇

[Cly07]

12 minutes ago, seboafc said:

 🦄🌈❤️:eddie:❤️🌈🦄

this is a great and lucky seed!😇

I don’t get it? As in he is robbing everyone or what? Prly in hiding chapo style hoping he don’t get Pablo’d?

[Shanaya24]

On 11/12/2021 at 5:03 AM, dupeddonk said:

A Sha256 hash is 256 bytes that is unique to basically any string of characters.

This is the Sha256 hash of that sentence ^^^:  052ce152ff85925ea7dd772889608af76b4c04d624adf9990871e7ca80d10403

Here's the Sha256 hash of just 'a': ca978112ca1bbdcafac231b39a23dc4da786eff8147c4e72b9807785afee48bb

Here's the Sha256 hash of 'Cly07': 196124e9c4cd934b207d39f84f4635180a7e78de90e951924e00c0739d9f857c

What makes these hashes useful is that they are always the same length - doesn't matter if you're hashing one character or millions of characters, and changing just one of those characters results in a completely and unpredictably different hash. (google the Avalanche effect in Cryptography).

 

I am not a big poster more a reader. But to end this disussion for once and for all I think Stake should give 1 million dollar to the person that can proof that provable fair isn't that fair. Stake has nothing to worry, the complainters get all the time to try to gain 1 million and dupeddonk can get some sleep (sir it is getting really annoying let people do their saying without every time jump in to defend Stake)

[dupeddonk]

6 minutes ago, Shanaya24 said:

(sir it is getting really annoying let people do their saying without every time jump in to defend Stake)

The guy asked a question. I answered it.  

 

On 11/11/2021 at 3:48 PM, Cly07 said:

Does the seed actually have an affect or are you simply just going to win whenever it’s your time to do so?

 

On 11/11/2021 at 11:03 PM, dupeddonk said:

A Sha256 hash is 256 bytes that is unique to basically any string of characters.

This is the Sha256 hash of that sentence ^^^:  052ce152ff85925ea7dd772889608af76b4c04d624adf9990871e7ca80d10403

Here's the Sha256 hash of just 'a': ca978112ca1bbdcafac231b39a23dc4da786eff8147c4e72b9807785afee48bb

Here's the Sha256 hash of 'Cly07': 196124e9c4cd934b207d39f84f4635180a7e78de90e951924e00c0739d9f857c

What makes these hashes useful is that they are always the same length - doesn't matter if you're hashing one character or millions of characters, and changing just one of those characters results in a completely and unpredictably different hash. (google the Avalanche effect in Cryptography).

 

To determine the outcome of a bet, Stake takes your seed and combines it with their seed (and also the nonce and a cursor) and hashes it.

Both seeds influence the outcome of the bet.  But because you don't know the server seed, and Stake didn't know the Client seed when they picked the server seed, neither of you know how it influence the bet.

So to answer your question, yes - it has an affect on the outcome, but because you don't know what the server seed is - you don't know what that effect is.  The reason you're given the ability to change it is so that you can check and see if the House cheated or not afterwards.

 

[Shanaya24]

2 minutes ago, dupeddonk said:

The guy asked a question. I answered it.  

as you see not only by my reaction but a lot of other people too you are irritating people with the constant defense of Stake. But said that what do you think of my "challenge" for stake to offer 1 million USD to him or her (not me haha I'm bad with figures) that can proof that provable fair (in the Stake casino) can be manipulated ?

[dupeddonk]

24 minutes ago, Shanaya24 said:

as you see not only by my reaction but a lot of other people too you are irritating people with the constant defense of Stake.

I'm fine if players are irritated that they can't share misinformation about provably fair games without someone pointing out the giant holes in their arguments or proving that their claims are false.  Some of them stop and some of them abandon attempting to appear rational and just turn into trolls. But if nobody said anything, there would just be more people getting sucked up into the conspiracy rigtard echo-chamber.

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But said that what do you think of my "challenge" for stake to offer 1 million USD to him or her (not me haha I'm bad with figures) that can proof that provable fair (in the Stake casino) can be manipulated ?

There are ways that stake could could manipulate things in an unfair way, and we can't really prove whether they are or not.

For example most players use the client seed that's generated in your browser.  That means they could know the likely next client seed for most players.

They could look ahead at outcomes and ban a player right before they're about to hit a big multi.

They could just change a result and hope the player doesn't go back and verify the outcome, and probably have a 99%+ chance of getting away with it.

[mistaker]

I think all  about seeds and Stake Original RNG you can find here.

 

 

 

On 11/11/2021 at 9:48 PM, Cly07 said:

Does the seed actually have an affect or are you simply just going to win whenever it’s your time to do so? I’ve went on so many loosing streaks trying everything after withdrawing good amounts that it’s not even funny. As if they make sure to get every last bit of it back before turning the switch back on for you to have a even a chance once again. 

 

[Shanaya24]

There are ways that stake could could manipulate things in an unfair way, and we can't really prove whether they are or not.

 

Thank you I rest my case

[dupeddonk]

15 minutes ago, Shanaya24 said:

There are ways that stake could could manipulate things in an unfair way, and we can't really prove whether they are or not.

 

Thank you I rest my case

You forgot to say what your case is.  Seemed like you were just trying to get me to stop calling out the people spreading misinformation about the provably fair concept.

 

[mistaker]

16 minutes ago, Shanaya24 said:

There are ways that stake could could manipulate things in an unfair way, and we can't really prove whether they are or not.

 

Thank you I rest my case

Yes we can prove every bet on Stake Original games

[dupeddonk]

8 minutes ago, mistaker said:

Yes we can prove every bet on Stake Original games

There are possible ways they could be exploiting certain aspects of the system.  We can't prove that they don't know the client seeds of every player that doesn't change theirs from the default, for example.

There are a few other exploitable aspects of the system that players who are convinced the game is rigged always seem to end up landing on after all their other attempts at proving they got scammed fail.  And most of them have an easy remedy, like just choose your own client seed.

And of course, it doesn't ever really prove the argument they started off with.

[Cly07]

So what about all the unrealistic outcomes in blackjack originals. I get the infinite deck deal but for the dealer to just so happen to more times than not end up with crazy cards to win with… I think most people not on the payroll can see why so many people talk about it being scammy the most. It just seems there’s no way it could just randomly more times than not end up pulling unrealistic cards out. 

[beastingout]

following -

 

[Bostonambros]

2 hours ago, Cly07 said:

So what about all the unrealistic outcomes in blackjack originals. I get the infinite deck deal but for the dealer to just so happen to more times than not end up with crazy cards to win with… I think most people not on the payroll can see why so many people talk about it being scammy the most. It just seems there’s no way it could just randomly more times than not end up pulling unrealistic cards out. 

Stop .. playing.. blackjack. 

[monikpoker]

It is all about luck  

[dupeddonk]

7 hours ago, Cly07 said:

So what about all the unrealistic outcomes in blackjack originals.

You have the tools to determine whether or not the outcomes of your bets are fair.  Use them.  

If you discover they aren't, post what you've found.  Otherwise the issue is probably with what your perception of 'realistic' is.

You're welcome for taking the time to answer your question about how seeds effect the outcome of a bet, by the way.

[maverick528]

If you think the random number generator is rigged , dont play black jack.

You should play instead games where you can bet in all the possible outcomes, for example Baccarat.

In Baccarat, Banker can win or Player can win or there can be a Tie. And you can bet to any of this options, and even make combinations of bets in more than one of the 3 options.

If the RNG is rigged , you can make 100 k test bets for example and with this result you would see some of the options winning more than it should. Betting at the option that wins more often will make you a winner. 

If the RNG is rigged, you can take advantage of it.

Another game where the riggedness will show and you can exploit it because you have all the possible options at hand, is Roulette.