Streamers - affecting regular players

[Savethewilly]

So its pretty obvious that all those milions that eddie gives to streamers affect us(regular players who cant play on 1k $ bets and so on). Why are u doing that? If they are streaming ok, give them fkin 500$ reloads or smth. Let em be like all of us, but u are doing opposite. You are giving them and taking from us. Watching this in next couple years will just bring you more and more people who will leave this casino. Ik ik u will tell me i complain cause i lose bla bla, but there is no casino on world where 22 deposits without single chance of decent withdraval is made. Not even landbase casinos with "lower" rtp as everyone says does that to any person. 


Its just my opinion. Love this casino, but u are making me leave, and its not just me from what i heard around. 

[crisulu]

I am not sure what's your mindset on this. But lately I feel too that Stake turned over and fed the whales. Which indeed they are their main source of wager, the fact is that in the last 45 days we had just a 4x post monthly which still is nice and a pre monthly as general mass bonusses compared to the ones given to whales and streamers. And I find this a huge lack of bonuses for the xmas period. 

[nagakhoa]

What you mean Stake giving streamers and taking from us. Train is down 8 figures with no end in sight and he spins $1000 every bet.

[Lordxx]

1 hour ago, crisulu said:

I am not sure what's your mindset on this. But lately I feel too that Stake turned over and fed the whales. Which indeed they are their main source of wager, the fact is that in the last 45 days we had just a 4x post monthly which still is nice and a pre monthly as general mass bonusses compared to the ones given to whales and streamers. 

Sorry for asking something not relevant. What the deference between post-monthly and pre-monthly and which one is bigger? And which one we get normally if watford wins 😅

[wszechmogacy]

1 hour ago, crisulu said:

I am not sure what's your mindset on this. But lately I feel too that Stake turned over and fed the whales. Which indeed they are their main source of wager, the fact is that in the last 45 days we had just a 4x post monthly which still is nice and a pre monthly as general mass bonusses compared to the ones given to whales and streamers. And I find this a huge lack of bonuses for the xmas period. 

i dont think so... In december stake give to us many bonuses, mora rains and other.... show me one more casino which do that ? 

[noshot]

Hi stakers!

Stake gives so much more to the customers compare to other casinos online. Also, I have been doing ok but i am just a pure degen and keep donating it back to Eddie lol 

Anyway, I do hope your luck turns around and start winning! 

[ericd1995]

5 hours ago, nagakhoa said:

What you mean Stake giving streamers and taking from us. Train is down 8 figures with no end in sight and he spins $1000 every bet.

You really have to be retarded to think he is using his own money. Sure, it’s real money but who’s money is it? Absolutely not his.

 

 

3 minutes ago, ericd1995 said:

You really have to be *special* to think he is using his own money. Sure, it’s real money but who’s money is it? Absolutely not his.

 

 

[pascalwl3]

Streamers are not gamblers they are content creators and doing this for a living. Streamers are getting paid in different ways by Stake.

Some are getting a fixed amount of money for streaming and some receive huge deposit bonuses. The biggest  streamers become deals up to 1 million dollars payment a month from Stake!

[MauroST]

I think no, the streames help the users with giveaways, challenges and more

 

[wshhhhhh]

I agree with you ! Give us the money of streamers 😅🤣

[Savethewilly]

9 hours ago, crisulu said:

I am not sure what's your mindset on this. But lately I feel too that Stake turned over and fed the whales. Which indeed they are their main source of wager, the fact is that in the last 45 days we had just a 4x post monthly which still is nice and a pre monthly as general mass bonusses compared to the ones given to whales and streamers. And I find this a huge lack of bonuses for the xmas period. 

I think stake make more of us 10-12k mortals than those streamers wager wise. But we mortals are covering those immortals bonuses thats what i meant only

[dupeddonk]

12 hours ago, Savethewilly said:

So its pretty obvious that all those milions that eddie gives to streamers affect us(regular players who cant play on 1k $ bets and so on). Why are u doing that? If they are streaming ok, give them fkin 500$ reloads or smth. Let em be like all of us, but u are doing opposite. You are giving them and taking from us. Watching this in next couple years will just bring you more and more people who will leave this casino. Ik ik u will tell me i complain cause i lose bla bla, but there is no casino on world where 22 deposits without single chance of decent withdraval is made. Not even landbase casinos with "lower" rtp as everyone says does that to any person. 


Its just my opinion. Love this casino, but u are making me leave, and its not just me from what i heard around. 

Stake paying people to promote their site has zero effect on you other than the effects of Stake having more players.

Really the only valid complaint I can think of is that the level of support has dropped because of so many new players, and that's just something you gotta deal with.  You can't expect them to not try and grow.

[Spinner]

3 hours ago, ericd1995 said:

You really have to be retarded to think he is using his own money. Sure, it’s real money but who’s money is it? Absolutely not his.

 

 

I would agree when it comes to a lot of streamers, but not Train. I've been following him for a long time, and I believe what he's doing is genuine. I guess I could paint the full picture for you.

Couple years ago streaming in general had really taken off for him with some companies offering big money to play video games, then Among Us popping off on Twitch etc, and he became a multi-millionaire quicker than what was probably good for him. Then he took the gambling deal, which made sense, since it was his off-stream hobby anyway, instead now you're getting paid 1M/month by Stake to do it on stream. He had success gambling off-stream, so he probably envisioned that some months he'd win big and end up with a profit on top of the salary, and if he's losing, he shouldn't lose much more than what he's being paid.

But it's been way worse than that. I remember like 5 months ago he was super anxious about losing a million in a single stream, and because his overall wealth had dropped from low 8 figures to 7 figures as he was putting all of his Stake money back in and more, he literally had family members make sure some of his crypto was locked away. Then when he finally hit stuff for a day and he almost broke even overall, he nearly burst out in tears. 

2 months after that things were so bad he was on the fence of telling Stake that he would only do 1$ bets for the remainder of his contract, which had a week or two left. In other words, the constant losing was again clearly hitting him pretty hard which wouldn't make sense if the money he was gambling didn't matter to him.

Obviously, he made a new contract as he's still gambling, and considering his reaction to losing 3M is about the same as losing 1M previously, if I had to guess Stake probably increased his salary by a substantial amount to keep him, which would make sense, since he's a gambling addict who gambles 10x the amount that his contract requires him to, so he just loses all that money back anyway.

That salary isn't enough to cover all the losses, but at the same time, the dude is legitimately rich. Besides the millions he gets from Stake and the money he had before he started gambling on stream, he also has other sponsors and he just hit a new sub record on Twitch. In other words he can afford the losses.. for now at least.

The thing with Train is that he feels like a certain amount of money is all that he really "needs" in life, so all the money beyond that, he's fine to either gamble or give away to the community (which again, if it wasn't his money, why would he able to send thousands of dollars from his Stake account to random peoples personal wallets?). A lot people would consider his giveaways noble, but in my opinion it's also the behavior of a person who got rich quick and doesn't necessarily understand how much things could change in life.

He's always been the type of guy who wants to do things differently and takes pride in being "legit", but what he's currently doing is also short-sighted and not very smart. At the same time, his stream is popping off better than ever, so like he's said, he keeps doing it as long as the iron is hot and then move on to other things.

So yeah.. it's not retarded to think Train is for real, he's a real gambling addict on stream and it makes no sense from a marketing perspective to have him lose the amounts he does. If you want to call out streamers for being fake, focus on the people who seemingly became high-rollers over night, have no past history of financial success to make you believe they have the money to be gambling the way they do or people who are winning almost every stream.

[XeroF]

Honestly of course it affects, I dont mind it tho that they are paying this to the streamers but for real, what do you think the money comes from that they use to pay the streamers with? Of course peoples loses and what do you think promotions and bonus comes from? And if you do the math abviously there is less money for promotions and bonuses when they use money to other things. Its called marketing budget and one thing do affect the other.

 

This was a reply to dupeddonk.

[uhmzs]

Stake still gives an absurd amount of money away to their players, not including streamers. I only recently started using Stake from another sportsbook, and honestly its crazy how much bonuses I get from stake compared to using other non-crypto sites, so its a win-win for me, I don't worry about things like this.

[GotSeven]

This is marketing guys. Stake has to do it to run the business.

[dupeddonk]

1 hour ago, XeroF said:

Honestly of course it affects, I dont mind it tho that they are paying this to the streamers but for real, what do you think the money comes from that they use to pay the streamers with? Of course peoples loses and what do you think promotions and bonus comes from? And if you do the math abviously there is less money for promotions and bonuses when they use money to other things. Its called marketing budget and one thing do affect the other.

 

This was a reply to dupeddonk.

 

They pay streamers to advertise for them because they believe it will result in current players increasing their play and new players signing up which, in total, will generate more revenue than the amount they are paying.  That's how advertising works, it's an investment.

Of course it's possible that they're wrong and spending money on streamers is a bad investment - but there's no way for us to know that for certain either way.

We do know that stake has been growing at a rapid pace, especially over the last year or so, which is when they started investing in streams, so, assuming they continue investing in them, I think it's safe to assume that it's a profitable investment, or at least the money already invested to this point was a profitable investment.  One thing I'm confident of is they aren't investing in streamers thinking that it's not a profitable investment, which seems to be the basis for everyone's argument here.

[XeroF]

1 hour ago, dupeddonk said:

 

They pay streamers to advertise for them because they believe it will result in current players increasing their play and new players signing up which, in total, will generate more revenue than the amount they are paying.  That's how advertising works, it's an investment.

Of course it's possible that they're wrong and spending money on streamers is a bad investment - but there's no way for us to know that for certain either way.

We do know that stake has been growing at a rapid pace, especially over the last year or so, which is when they started investing in streams, so, assuming they continue investing in them, I think it's safe to assume that it's a profitable investment, or at least the money already invested to this point was a profitable investment.  One thing I'm confident of is they aren't investing in streamers thinking that it's not a profitable investment, which seems to be the basis for everyone's argument here.

I agree with you, but just wanted to point out that it do affect in some way. Some streamers are definitely worth their money and some probably not.. theres no way for us to know the numbers. The streamers are surely a part to why stake has grown bigger lately but I also belive that the vip program has contributed to this aswell. I for ex didnt start playing here after watching streamers, just heard that they had a good loyalty program. Is often like that the bigger a site gets the easier it is to attract new players from all the different social medias and so on. Lets hope they step it up upcoming month, Im still abit sour that they didnt have a yearly bonus 😂 I never not had that on any other site Ive played. 

[ByteMeTwice]

16 hours ago, Savethewilly said:

  ...You are giving them and taking from us...

 ...there is no casino on world where 22 deposits without single chance of decent withdraval is made.

Not even landbase casinos with "lower" rtp as everyone says does that to any person. 


Its just my opinion. Love this casino, but u are making me leave, and its not just me from what i heard around. 

 

I know plenty of people who deposit to both online & land based casino's for years and have never made a withdrawal. They don't complain because they know that when they make a deposit, their money is already gone They play at casino's for enjoyment, which is what everyone needs to do when gambling. Anyone gambling to make money are driving themselves down a one-way street to the poor house.

Casino's are a business and as such, are not obliged to ensure that any player will make any sort of profit at any time..

You mention land based casino's having lower rtp's, yet people withdraw more often.  This is more hearsay and perception of what people believe based on their own mindset after experiencing a bad run of sorts.  I've been there myself and believe me when i say these thoughts are hard to shake off at times.

If I could give my 2 cents worth on "RTP" (only my opinion)

1) For every $1 takin in wages, the casino will win 1cent (based on an average rtp of 99%, to help my bad maths). so If $100 is wagered bets, Theoretically the casino will win $1 leaving $99

2) $99 is wagered in bets, the casino will win $0.90 on average, and so on, until you either win or bust !!

3) The remaining 99% at some stage must be paid out by casino on the law of averages..

4) You wager $1 of which $0.99 is added to the amount to be paid

5) A whale or a streamer Bets $1000, of which casino wins $10.00 leaving $990.00 in the pot, which is either re-wagered until bust, or paid out as a win.

6) The Pot must be paid out to keep the stability of the 99% rtp, which the streamer is building at least 100x than you are (based on figures above).  Even tough Streamer is building the pot faster than you are, the pot will have to payout without any gaurantee that the streamer or whale will win it. 

7) this based on the size of wager compared to odds of wager of course.

The long and short is :

A) Stake wins with the 1% clawback

B) Streamer wins..  if he/she wins.

C) Ordinary players winning chances are improved by the volume wagered by the streamer.

Everyone's a winner !!

[Kobar]

stop watching them.

[dupeddonk]

1 minute ago, Kobar said:

stop watching them.

stop spamming old threads