Stake doing different kind of math regarding RTP%

[Arcxdock1]

They say math is universal in this case statistics to be specific. Professional slot makers (ballys,igt etc etc )machines are pretty consistent when played at same  hit rate /rtp% 

with no progressive .

For instance if you set buffalos  and jade monkey by bluebird williams 2 different manufacturers slots at 94% ,on $100  played on each 9 out of 10 times you would see 

they act very similar.  

If you set any one of the machines at 94 % the play it at 86% you will see a extreme difference on $100 . As matter of fact i have uploaded 2 videos to yt showing the exact 

scenario .

Lets look at these so called 96% rtp machines that are %100 not that , if i had to guess i would say they are somewhere around 70% maybe 75% at the most being generous.

The disparity is too big considering they claim to be 2% higher which is outright false !!!!!

My yt is xxxxxxxxxx  in case you want to see exactly what im saying they are a bit long but just set to 2x .  These show you opening of machine and setting of rtp % with no interruptions and putting $100 bill in both .

So for those that are saying millions of spins you will clearly see actual rtp% and what gameplay looks like at 94% to 86% !!!!!!!!!

[Teagen]

i wouldn't doubt they say one thing yet operate in a completely different manner. i mean thats how they do everything else why would the slots be spared the immoral fraudulent treatment? too bad there isn't some kind of authority that checks and ensures fair regulations are put into practice. oh wait....  

[Arcxdock1]

SPORTS BETTING IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS DECENT AND MAYBE LIVE GAMES .  THE SLOTS 96.4% RTP IS 

100% COMPLETELY FALSE!

iMAGINE THE STREAMERS OF STAKE ARE PART OWNERS AS WELL ,THAT ALONE SHOWS YOU THEY ARE COMPLETELY BEING UNTRUTHFUL .

ANY COMPANY USING A SHILL ,ONLY DOES IT TO GET OVER ON THE OTHER PERSON VIA DECEPTION OR LARCENY!!!!!

[pascalwl3]

@Arcxdock1The slots are fine. Streamers play 24 hours a day sometimes so they most likely get a big hit now and then. Some slots are more volatile than others so one person gets 40℅ rtp and other person 300% . Thats gambling

[dupeddonk]

 

18 hours ago, Arcxdock1 said:

Lets look at these so called 96% rtp machines that are %100 not that , if i had to guess i would say they are somewhere around 70% maybe 75% at the most being generous.

So...no Math then.  Just guessing.

You're whole argument is based on what the RTP has seemed like to you while you're playing.

Consider this:  On the provably fair games, where we know for a fact what the RTP is - there are dozens of players daily claiming the exact same thing you are about the third party games.  That's because we all have a natural bias and our brains aren't computers.  You can't just run a statistical analysis that would require several hundred thousands data points at a minimum in your head after being emotionally invested in a couple hundred or thousands spins.

Maybe the RTP is much lower, I don't know - I don't have the data to know. My point is the way you got to your conclusion is retarded.  

Oh and if you love Aristocrat so much go play the playtech games.  I'm sure there's a couple other providers offered owned by Aristocrat.

[Arcxdock1]

19 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

 

So...no Math then.  Just guessing.

You're whole argument is based on what the RTP has seemed like to you while you're playing.

Consider this:  On the provably fair games, where we know for a fact what the RTP is - there are dozens of players daily claiming the exact same thing you are about the third party games.  That's because we all have a natural bias and our brains aren't computers.  You can't just run a statistical analysis that would require several hundred thousands data points at a minimum in your head after being emotionally invested in a couple hundred or thousands spins.

Maybe the RTP is much lower, I don't know - I don't have the data to know. My point is the way you got to your conclusion is retarded.  

Oh and if you love Aristocrat so much go play the playtech games.  I'm sure there's a couple other providers offered owned by Aristocrat.

Yes you can when you play (class11 or class111) slot from proffessional maker(ballys,igt,bluebird williams ) and you have admin menu or attendant menu options and you set the RTP% to 94% lets say on buffaloes then paly $100 9 out of 10 time its very differnt than when you set the rtp% to 84% which is lowest  it will go .

There is very noticeable difference in play on same machine when set to 84%  off just $100.

There is zero chance in hell the rtp % is 96.4 % legitimately ,like i said it can be manipulated with one gigantic win like you see the OWNERS/STREAMERS/SHILLS hit...

The fact shills are used should tell you something, zero chance the rtp% is higher than 75% 

[maverick528]

1) dont promote your YT channel or you will be restricted from posting in forum.

2) I suppose you can contact directly the 3rd party slots providers like Pragmatic , Play N Go, etc. and ask them how the RTP is set, and also how the randomness in their games are generated. There should be some diferences between a fixed isolated machine like the one you show , with its own RNG, than a server that provides games on the web to thousands of users.

 

[Arcxdock1]

29 minutes ago, maverick528 said:

1) dont promote your YT channel or you will be restricted from posting in forum.

2) I suppose you can contact directly the 3rd party slots providers like Pragmatic , Play N Go, etc. and ask them how the RTP is set, and also how the randomness in their games are generated. There should be some diferences between a fixed isolated machine like the one you show , with its own RNG, than a server that provides games on the web to thousands of users.

 

I am only talking about the RTP%  in regards to the crypto fluctuation makes the RTP% of 96.4  impossible there for not accurate.  My point in regards to actual real slots is that setting the rtp% at its highest 94.7 % and setting it at its lowest 84.3% with $100 only 9 out of 10 times you will see a noticeable difference in play when no progressive is involved.

I dont see 96.4% rtp even possible with crypto fluctuation & the rtp% of this site since around christmas has been borderline criminal especially when you see those advertised percentages ,knowing those to be  blasphemy.

To top it all off you have streamers /owners getting crazy actiion on there slots knowing the action is only created for excitement and the games play no where near that loose except on the owners /streamers machine!!!

Its almost like a person should start searching for casinos owned by super large billion dollar corporations that been around for 50 yrs cuz you know that type of business  will stay legit .

Yet were playing at a site owned by glorified twitch streamer knowing god damn well aint no where near 96.4% maybe 75% because btc fluctuation makes it literally zero chance to advertise that when in span of minutes the coin is up$1000 or 1000.

That effects bottomline which in turn would effect some site that maintaned 96.4% rtp and advertised it like its in stone ......NOT A CHANCE IN HELL

 

[Geeker]

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[muffbee]

Did you get that slot machine from Fred Flintstone? hehe

[DeshaunWatson]

On 2/5/2022 at 12:50 PM, dupeddonk said:

 

So...no Math then.  Just guessing.

You're whole argument is based on what the RTP has seemed like to you while you're playing.

Consider this:  On the provably fair games, where we know for a fact what the RTP is - there are dozens of players daily claiming the exact same thing you are about the third party games.  That's because we all have a natural bias and our brains aren't computers.  You can't just run a statistical analysis that would require several hundred thousands data points at a minimum in your head after being emotionally invested in a couple hundred or thousands spins.

Maybe the RTP is much lower, I don't know - I don't have the data to know. My point is the way you got to your conclusion is retarded.  

Oh and if you love Aristocrat so much go play the playtech games.  I'm sure there's a couple other providers offered owned by Aristocrat.

Good points ghostnipple… I like the part about bias you brought up! ***Tips cap

[Thebtcgoat]

Slots suck. bet on sports, 10+ straight bets a day with positive EV, and do arbitrage. In the long run you will be profitable due to the law of large numbers.

[Notnick3]

On 2/6/2022 at 6:04 AM, maverick528 said:

1) dont promote your YT channel or you will be restricted from posting in forum.

2) I suppose you can contact directly the 3rd party slots providers like Pragmatic , Play N Go, etc. and ask them how the RTP is set, and also how the randomness in their games are generated. There should be some diferences between a fixed isolated machine like the one you show , with its own RNG, than a server that provides games on the web to thousands of users.

 

Hacksaw said in an interview that they provide the ability to casinos to set their slot to the designated RTP the casino wants.

 

There is no shot that the advertised RTP from stake on any prag or hacksaw is legit.

third paragraph 

“I think the fact that our games are so mobile friendly and easy to understand makes them appealing to a variety of players. We also offer our clients different RTP values which they can use according to what works to their demographics so that flexibility helps as well”

https://www.keytocasinos.com/news/it-s-in-our-interest-to-create-games-that-will-stand-out

On 2/5/2022 at 9:50 AM, dupeddonk said:

 

So...no Math then.  Just guessing.

You're whole argument is based on what the RTP has seemed like to you while you're playing.

Consider this:  On the provably fair games, where we know for a fact what the RTP is - there are dozens of players daily claiming the exact same thing you are about the third party games.  That's because we all have a natural bias and our brains aren't computers.  You can't just run a statistical analysis that would require several hundred thousands data points at a minimum in your head after being emotionally invested in a couple hundred or thousands spins.

Maybe the RTP is much lower, I don't know - I don't have the data to know. My point is the way you got to your conclusion is retarded.  

Oh and if you love Aristocrat so much go play the playtech games.  I'm sure there's a couple other providers offered owned by Aristocrat.

You seem like you don’t actually play and just defend stake.

if you played slots or stake originals  you would know how sketchy they are

[dupeddonk]

1 minute ago, Notnick3 said:

You seem like you don’t actually play and just defend stake.

if you played slots or stake originals  you would know how sketchy they are

You seem like you do play and have convinced yourself that you're a victim so that you can pass the blame for your losses somewhere other than on yourself.

[Notnick3]

1 hour ago, dupeddonk said:

You seem like you do play and have convinced yourself that you're a victim so that you can pass the blame for your losses somewhere other than on yourself.

Post your stats. Not complaining because i lost its just obvious they are lying about the RTP

[dupeddonk]

10 minutes ago, Notnick3 said:

Post your stats. Not complaining because i lost its just obvious they are lying about the RTP

Go type '/user @dupeddonk '  in chat.

[Big Dallas]

Sadly you are responsible for your loses! 

 It's true stake has been acting very strange regarding RTP and all but they are the ones in charge and the ones setting it. Complaining will do no good