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I believe in RTP ok as i used to work for a guy who had a load of poker machines.

RTP can be adjusted to suit at any time.  in busy periods, christmas, easter etc, RTP would be lowered & raised again when takings got a bit quiet. 

With the advances in technology it would also be possible to lower the RTP, exclude from rains etc for an individually named (online) player(s), as well as programming bot's to do what ever they require.

I'm not inferring that Stake does this for online games.  They have no control over the RTP of 3rd party games in any case. 

 

As for changing Seeds and Proviable fairness, you got more chance convincing me about Santa Claus & the Tooth Fairy

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RTP is no guarantee of hitting the jackpot. Just that it gives something back to the player so they can keep playing and try their luck at hitting something bigger.

Some machines have a winning probability of 1 in 100000000000000 to crack the big thing.

But yeah, winning at Stake once felt better than now.

 

On 3/10/2022 at 1:11 AM, mate said:

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What win chance have you played in Dice ? 49.5% ??

 

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53 minutes ago, randomcore said:

RTP is no guarantee of hitting the jackpot. Just that it gives something back to the player so they can keep playing and try their luck at hitting something bigger.

Some machines have a winning probability of 1 in 100000000000000 to crack the big thing.

But yeah, winning at Stake once felt better than now.

 

 

If the statistics are not accurate, what will happen?

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1 minute ago, mate said:

If the statistics are not accurate, what will happen?

Found a good article about designing slot machines, RTP and other casino games related stuff.

The article is around 12 years old and focusses on classic slot machines in real casinos (not the online casinos). But I think, most of the stuff also applies to online machines.

 

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15 hours ago, ricc623 said:

 

RTP is only if you play infinite times with infinite dollars... if you can afford that no need to care about returns😊

But really if u play without a plan, it's all going down the drain eventually, I'm sure everyone learned this

 

 

you say there is no RTP

 

we will see if " RTP "  works or not also i will update post 

 

On 3/20/2022 at 2:39 PM, randomcore said:

Found a good article about designing slot machines, RTP and other casino games related stuff.

The article is around 12 years old and focusses on classic slot machines in real casinos (not the online casinos). But I think, most of the stuff also applies to online machines.

 

thank you but this is how the machines work

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29 minutes ago, mate said:

you say there is no RTP

we will see if " RTP "  works or not also i will update post 

thank you but this is how the machines work

No, mate. I think you have wrong expections from somewhat called RTP.

RTP is also explained in this thread I had linked you. Just read the whole thread.

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Let's say a given slot machine is set to a 98% payback. That means that over millions of spins, that machine must pay back $98 of every $100 bet. So I could walk up, feed $10k into the machine, and not get any money back. And the next person behind me could feed in a quarter and win a $10k jackpot.

The biggest difference between machines is the concept of volatility. Some games have a high volatility, which means you tend to win rarely, but when you do, you win a lot of money. On a low volatility machine you tend to lose and win steadily.

There are some people who believe that if a machine hasn't paid out in a while, then it's due to pay out soon. That's correct if you're willing to bankroll millions of spins. :) But in any single spin, the machine is never any more or less likely to pay out than in any previous spin.

See, RTP is relevant to slot machines. Beside the volatility of a slot. If you play slots like NetEnts Starburst you will make many small wins because the volatility is low. So you win often. And hitting the right combinations may give you a big win of a few hundred dollars. If you play slots like No Limit Citys Deadwood or Tombstone R.I.P. you have ultra high volatility. This means most the time the slot will just suck your money. But you have the chance to hit something bigger with a multiplier of up to x300000 of your placed bet.

The Tombstone R.I.P. tech paper says this:

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Tombstone RIP is available with dual RTP setup at 96.08% and 94.08% (DX1). With the Enhanced Bet enabled, the RTP setup is 96.28% and 94.25% (DX1).

Math

Total RTP 96.08% / 94.08%

Volatility Extreme (10)

Hit frequency 9.08%

Win (simulated from 10 billion spins)

Max payout 300.000x (~1 in 130M rounds)

So volatility tells you something about the difficulty of the slot. Win often - win small amount. Win less often - win something bigger if lucky.

And the RTP thing will give you at least n percent of your investment back. At least after -> 1 million bets made.

Is your bankroll big enough to place a few million bets to hit the RTP multiple times?

And focussing on playing Dice. I think RTP isn't relevant there. Its about doing some math and probability calculation. Let's say you play 5% win chance. Your payout is 19.8x of your bet. But you have to deal with up to 150 losing streaks and more. So 150 reds later you hit something and you get 19.8x back, will it cover all the losses of your previous 150 reds? In this case you must figure out how to apply any strategy using multipliers, increasing or decreasing your bet size on loss or on win without busting your bank roll.

Oh, and not to forget there is the house edge which takes 1% of your placed bet away. So over time the more you keep playing the more money you will lose. Except you hit something big and know when to stop gambling.

I wish I had a bankroll of over 400k USD. I could play some nice dice sessions using DiceBot. 🤑

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In casino there is always be loss and profit both. If you're facing loss in one game try different game and if still facing loss just take a break and play sometimes later. 

Because lot of time we can't control our mind to get what we loss we will play continuosly and at the end we will loss everything. 

I also lossed More time but i didn't quit whenever I get some money to invest i just keep playing. Sometime even i turned my balance of 4$ to 2500$. Everything is depend mostly on luck.

So don't lose your hope.

One day will be yours 👍

Gambling is not everything there are lot more important things in life like family and happiness.

So Just play safe don't go for bigger ones.

Best of luck.

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6 hours ago, Matic335 said:

To much money mate! You lost so much money and time behind the computer just gsmbling! Live goes on. Better with that money spend To be with friend, family, love ones! invest in something else. Gambling is sucks! I could just imagine your sad filings, moments when money goes away! Stay strong!
 

With best regards. 

M

we will see if rtp is working or not I will always update this topic

5 hours ago, Brzk said:

Man, when you force something that you know that doesn`t work, it`s better to look for a doctor to be sure that you are ok.

thank you 

6 hours ago, Avisraj said:

In casino there is always be loss and profit both. If you're facing loss in one game try different game and if still facing loss just take a break and play sometimes later. 

Because lot of time we can't control our mind to get what we loss we will play continuosly and at the end we will loss everything. 

I also lossed More time but i didn't quit whenever I get some money to invest i just keep playing. Sometime even i turned my balance of 4$ to 2500$. Everything is depend mostly on luck.

So don't lose your hope.

One day will be yours 👍

Gambling is not everything there are lot more important things in life like family and happiness.

So Just play safe don't go for bigger ones.

Best of luck.

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1 minute ago, mate said:

we will see if rtp is working or not I will always update this topic

thank you 

I hope it will be! I will be so glad that you hit maybe one big to get at least 100k back. 
 

I am losing to. Not as much as you, because i am a much smaller player. But from december at least 7/10k … something like that. For me is that quite a lot of money. But we cant do nothing for past …. Just try to have a nice lucky healthy future ☀️🌈

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Most of the time it seems like people just don't understand RTP.

If the RTP is 99% and you make $100 bets, you should expect to get back $99 per bet in the long run.

That means you pay $1 for every bet you make.

Make 1 million $100 bets and you should expect to be down $1,000,000.

 

The house has the edge, no matter what you do.

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I don't believe in the fairness of stake originals. It used to be possible to win now and then, and the games seemed to play somewhat organically, but those days are gone. Now it's as though there's a ceiling.. maybe you can get 1% or 5% up on your depo, lose a bit, recover to that amount again and then it's brutality to 0.

Slots are a different kettle of fish, but equally fucked. The weird thing to me is that affiliated streamers can break even or have successful bonus hunts on a regular basis. And that's in contrast to how their hunts went before becoming affiliated with stake.

Assuming you still have a huge stack of trx or cash and you don't plan on quitting (I wish you could, but understand why you won't), I'd recommend what @Ghostnipplessays: set a target that you will always eventually beat.. for example, if you chase 10000x, you can increase the bet amount so when it does eventually hit you'll get more than you invested. Or you can bet 10 times bigger and reduce the multi to 1000x. If you're flat betting $1 on 1 million X, it will likely cost you more than $1m.. I know that sounds obvious, and it isn't how many of us usually play, but it's the logical move if you don't want to rip here and can be patient. It's a matter of time Vs relying on luck, on a site where the luck you're allowed feels manipulated.

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