Stake/Providers RTP

[Teebee89]

What do you think. 

[Zulu189]

Depends what you mean by ''legit''.

There's a big misconception around RTP. RTP is 100% theoretical, and offers no guarantee that you will get a certain percentage of your money back.

For Stake Originals, we're talking about ''win chance'', which can be converted to RTP. These are accurate as long as you believe in the provably fair system. But again, they offer no guarantee and are theoretically based on millions of rolls. You can hit a 10k limbo on your first roll, or not hit for 200k rolls. Again, it's all random and RTP is just theoretical.

[Teebee89]

1 hour ago, Zulu189 said:

Depends what you mean by ''legit''.

There's a big misconception around RTP. RTP is 100% theoretical, and offers no guarantee that you will get a certain percentage of your money back.

For Stake Originals, we're talking about ''win chance'', which can be converted to RTP. These are accurate as long as you believe in the provably fair system. But again, they offer no guarantee and are theoretically based on millions of rolls. You can hit a 10k limbo on your first roll, or not hit for 200k rolls. Again, it's all random and RTP is just theoretical.

I understand that and I think RTP being justified by billions of spins is a fkn joke anyway. That isn’t a accurate example. It needs to be over like 100k spins then give use that as a true RTP. But I’m going beyond that. I truly believe stake controls the seeds and has lower RTP than providers post. Just my personal opinion but ya there originals are absolutely a scam.

[jungl3]

There are a few things that make me suspicious, but I'm not sure they're exclusively a stake thing.

Errors that kick you out of slots - cashier error, communication error, etc. This happens far too often and makes you wonder if it's a mechanism to stop your play before you get a decent win.

I've been watching streams where slot provider staff have turned up. The streamer had a dry spell, lots of dead spins, the provider guy turns up, then the streamer hits a 2000x or so. Slot providers want to market their games through streamers, too. If there's a mechanism by which they can make their product look more attractive, it seems plausible that they would.

Now we have a little circle, all with skin in the game. Casino-provider-streamer. Their individual successes benefit the group, so naturally they'd want to work together. At this point you're hoping they'd be working together within the law and ethically, but how can we know; the transparency isn't there, so we're left with best guesses and faith.

Plenty of conspiracy theories have been established as fact and ugly truths. Then again, sometimes things just don't go our way.

Personally, playing at stake is like stepping in dogshit every time I go outside. Despite how careful I am or how delicately I tread, that familiar squish comes along. Never mind that the island I live on officially only has one dog.

[Teebee89]

1 hour ago, jungl3 said:

There are a few things that make me suspicious, but I'm not sure they're exclusively a stake thing.

Errors that kick you out of slots - cashier error, communication error, etc. This happens far too often and makes you wonder if it's a mechanism to stop your play before you get a decent win.

I've been watching streams where slot provider staff have turned up. The streamer had a dry spell, lots of dead spins, the provider guy turns up, then the streamer hits a 2000x or so. Slot providers want to market their games through streamers, too. If there's a mechanism by which they can make their product look more attractive, it seems plausible that they would.

Now we have a little circle, all with skin in the game. Casino-provider-streamer. Their individual successes benefit the group, so naturally they'd want to work together. At this point you're hoping they'd be working together within the law and ethically, but how can we know; the transparency isn't there, so we're left with best guesses and faith.

Plenty of conspiracy theories have been established as fact and ugly truths. Then again, sometimes things just don't go our way.

Personally, playing at stake is like stepping in dogshit every time I go outside. Despite how careful I am or how delicately I tread, that familiar squish comes along. Never mind that the island I live on officially only has one dog.

I absolutely agree with most of this. It blows my mind how much streamers win. The only stake partner who has seeds like we have is trainwreck every other person absolutely has a 120% rtp seed. I don’t doubt that one bit. Stake does offer alot of sports odds so that’s only reason I’m staying but as for slots there is absolutely shadiness. Remember the slot providers and streamers have deals with streamers. They all are in it to make money. Not help or have fun….

[realtoothless]

When you get 20-30 losses on bonus buys then a 1-3x buy then 20-30 more losses you start to wonder. Then you get a juicer when you are really low that brings you kind of close to your depo. Sure, bad luck... but come on, it's been dry AF lately.

 

[igorssbm]

There's a lack of transparency about the individual RTP for each option in slots with multiple choices