Stake originals seed scam??

[kayttobr]

hi, as we all know we can change seeds in stake and verify the "old" seed to see the results we played and also see the "future" results of which could have been. theres websites to verify it etc.

but here's the problem, two games, crash and slide are live games which shares the result on everyone, you me, neighboor next door, etc, we all have same result in crash and slide, same numbers are displayed.

however, you are allowed to change seed in those games too, and "verify" as well, but does that make sense? changing seed doesnt do anything, it doesnt give u a different result than others. but you can still "verify" the previous result(s). and see the "future" results of that seed you changed, which is bullshit. i think the "future" results are just random stuff made up, because no matter how many times you change seed in those games, you still share same result as everyone else.

so my theory here is, does seed changing really work? or just a whole hoax to make you think you are in "control"? even the clueless stake support confirmed that crash and slide doesn't share same result as others. big mistake.

 

 

 

but ofcourse results are the same. we know when players cash out too as we can see it, and we can see who won too.

something scammy is going on here, changing seed might show u previous results, but the "future" results are just bullshit when you verify, and i believe it is still the same seed no matter how many times you change, in any stake original.

[rubo03]

I dont know but im very unlucky always and i dont think its 100% legit but i believe on stake

[Mubin300124]

i find on crash sometimes it has a pattern. rest is just luck

[kayttobr]

did you read what i wrote? what is there to believe with the information i provided, if you and me played crash or slide right now we both will game same results, we all share same results. but for some reason we can change seed in those games but nothing happens, we still end up getting same results.

 

which makes  me think this whole seed changing thing is bullshit across all their games.

[J-Dawg]

Listen, the seeds are BS. All casino games are designed to manipulate the predictability of human nature. The difference with this server seed proverbially fair BS, is that it gives people false confidence in getting a fair and un-manipulated game.

Speak to a real programmer, and they will tell you it's complete BS. So don't be thinking it's fair. There is no random. It's all perfectly designed to let you win a little when you are a fresh account, then take all your money for the rest of your life.

[markus241]

i think keno hates me!!

[kayttobr]

3 minutes ago, Mubin300124 said:

i find on crash sometimes it has a pattern. rest is just luck

that's not the point my friend, the point i am trying to raise here is that the option to change seeds is basically changing a spreadsheet of paper with a lot of different new numbers and results, which is not the case in this point, as no matter how many times you change nothing will truly change.  because the both of us will still game same results in crash and slide, always. no matter what seed we are on.

3 minutes ago, J-Dawg said:

Listen, the seeds are BS. All casino games are designed to manipulate the predictability of human nature. The difference with this server seed proverbially fair BS, is that it gives people false confidence in getting a fair and un-manipulated game.

Speak to a real programmer, and they will tell you it's complete BS. So don't be thinking it's fair. There is no random. It's all perfectly designed to let you win a little when you are a fresh account, then take all your money for the rest of your life.

Yes basically what i'm saying too.

 

The ability to change seed to give you an "advantage" to have un-manipulated results etc, is quite bs. because no matter how many seeds you change, you will still end up getting the same result you should've gotten, because it's already pre-determined by them. the only way the seed changes is if they change it.

[Jedne]

Sr

[SorteMenino]

Ofcourse  it is, You Just Gotta GAMBLEAWARE Amigo

[kayttobr]

yea

[rubo03]

I win a lot and lose but idk, seems weird

[dollartree1]

Seems like quite a few people have literally no understanding about what the original question here was and just like to say if "they too think skem" 

But I think the change seed feature on these 2 games is only there because its there for all the other stake orginals.  If you change your seed on those 2 games, obviously it won't change the outcome as everyone has same result, but will change your seed for every other stake original going forward.   So honestly, I think the "fairness" tab could be removed from those 2 games but it isn't really nessesary to do and is just cosmetic.   

Fun fact, the crash and slide were each hashed 1,000,000 times and the resulting seed was posted to bitcoin-talk before the launch of those games.   Once the 1,000,000th game is played, it can then be confirmed that random games of 1.00x were conviently slipped in.   Although, it also proves all 1,000,000 rolls were known before the game started.  But the starting hash was also chosen at random by choosing a bitcoin block a week before it was mined. 

So it is fair? Yes.  Is there enough "magic" that people will still scream skem? Yes.  But only to those that haven't done their homework which is around 96%

[J-Dawg]

2 hours ago, dollartree1 said:

Seems like quite a few people have literally no understanding about what the original question here was and just like to say if "they too think skem" 

But I think the change seed feature on these 2 games is only there because its there for all the other stake orginals.  If you change your seed on those 2 games, obviously it won't change the outcome as everyone has same result, but will change your seed for every other stake original going forward.   So honestly, I think the "fairness" tab could be removed from those 2 games but it isn't really nessesary to do and is just cosmetic.   

Fun fact, the crash and slide were each hashed 1,000,000 times and the resulting seed was posted to bitcoin-talk before the launch of those games.   Once the 1,000,000th game is played, it can then be confirmed that random games of 1.00x were conviently slipped in.   Although, it also proves all 1,000,000 rolls were known before the game started.  But the starting hash was also chosen at random by choosing a bitcoin block a week before it was mined. 

So it is fair? Yes.  Is there enough "magic" that people will still scream skem? Yes.  But only to those that haven't done their homework which is around 96%

Then you should play them, lots and lots. You seem to know everything about it, so put your money where your mouth is. You'll have a good time!

[Enie9]

On 6/18/2022 at 7:03 PM, J-Dawg said:

Listen, the seeds are BS. All casino games are designed to manipulate the predictability of human nature. The difference with this server seed proverbially fair BS, is that it gives people false confidence in getting a fair and un-manipulated game.

Speak to a real programmer, and they will tell you it's complete BS. So don't be thinking it's fair. There is no random. It's all perfectly designed to let you win a little when you are a fresh account, then take all your money for the rest of your life.

Yes, and this is true of all casinos. There is no random at all. We lose or win depending on the settings of each website. They don't need to cheat because they have already programmed their algorithms to cheat us. No matter how you prove will definitely not see cheating The algorithm has prepared numbers. in each state all preserved which is the perfect set of instructions and keep the behavior of each person and in some commands It's a perfect cheat, like a dice at 1.98× = 50%, but we often find it. The loss stake is always greater than the expected value. whether we switch the high side or the low side The bot will manage the numbers on the opposite side of us until We will be disadvantaged And the algorithm's pattern, that is, determines us to win. until we become greedy, another way is to make our balance less until the fear don't dare to lose It causes us to lose control over our decisions and emotions. and if we observe We can see that when our balance is below 10%, we tend to be in touch. until it seems to be able to recover That's another way we die. and lie to himself that we're having luck and wait and see the streak of loss That is exaggerated and difficult to happen compared to the % they stated. until we run out of money And let us sit and blame ourselves for being unlucky. In other cases, for example, you play at 3× when winning 60% and losing, normal reset bets if we don't set this up. or play in a flat It doesn't add anything to wins or losses. At 3× you can find, winning 4 or more consecutive stacks across the board is very frequent. But when you use the strategy increase when winning You won't get more than 3 consecutive wins, often if you win the next bet you lose. And it will come back to win again indefinitely. In order not to allow the strategy that we have set up to work fully. and incur a negative effect on our balance until exhaustion The algorithm calculates our settings and the elements. and set up a number drama scene to create the most ingenious loss for us If you win and stop in time Today you will get a little money to dream. When will you come to play the next day? You will find a loss that's hard to beat no matter how you play Because it is determined by an honest program. their set up all casinos It's not a foundation that will have money to donate. But they will do whatever it takes to deceive. Make attractive fake offers for us, casinos pay huge sums. to pay programmers Keep updating each event. Most of this happened after the house's bankroll was robbed. from superior players Algorithm at that time with the discovery of new vulnerabilities. They will update soon. and add ways to cope with it to prevent this from happening again and they will set the program to do it by all means to find money to replace the part of the bank that was robbed And it doesn't care if it's tactical or not, for example 1.1× losing streak happens 7 times in a row % = 0.00001% while we set while losing increase 1000% in less than 1000 rolls luck for the price these casinos It's just a children's fairy tale. that Santa Claus would come and take a child's tooth that had been broken in a child's rotten bag on Eve's Day. If anyone believes in luck, it's your right. And I don't want to argue with anyone. If anyone disagrees with this opinion. please skip it Don't ask questions to find answers with me The answer lies with you. It's up to you to accept the truth or not. Good luck    Fortunately, it doesn't exist.

[dollartree1]

6 hours ago, J-Dawg said:

Then you should play them, lots and lots. You seem to know everything about it, so put your money where your mouth is. You'll have a good time!

Your post reeks of ignorance.  Yes, I know a lot about it because when I don't understand something, I try to learn how it works instead of just screaming "scammed" and "rigged" because I lost. 

And just because I learned how the provably fair system works, does not also mean I can now beat house edge.  The two are very different things.  Even though I know the house draws its results fairly, the house still always wins because of house edge.   If you then want to call house edge a scam, you have to include every casino in the world a scam.  And if that's the case, I suggest you find entertainment elsewhere.   

But if you would like to learn about provably fair, I suggest reading some of @dupeddonk posts.   Much of what i learned came from his very informative and well explained posts.   I recommened the thread where he makes a mockery of ghostnipples "charts"

[IStayLowKey]

I swear it’s scam. BLACKjack especially. Like can’t we split and double after the split…. And how come dealer hand always wins by 1 or else they make their hand when you have a big bet out…

[youhanabusa]

Stay away from things you don't understand

[kayttobr]

15 hours ago, dollartree1 said:

Seems like quite a few people have literally no understanding about what the original question here was and just like to say if "they too think skem" 

But I think the change seed feature on these 2 games is only there because its there for all the other stake orginals.  If you change your seed on those 2 games, obviously it won't change the outcome as everyone has same result, but will change your seed for every other stake original going forward.   So honestly, I think the "fairness" tab could be removed from those 2 games but it isn't really nessesary to do and is just cosmetic.   

Fun fact, the crash and slide were each hashed 1,000,000 times and the resulting seed was posted to bitcoin-talk before the launch of those games.   Once the 1,000,000th game is played, it can then be confirmed that random games of 1.00x were conviently slipped in.   Although, it also proves all 1,000,000 rolls were known before the game started.  But the starting hash was also chosen at random by choosing a bitcoin block a week before it was mined. 

So it is fair? Yes.  Is there enough "magic" that people will still scream skem? Yes.  But only to those that haven't done their homework which is around 96%

you seem to be confused my friend, it is a scam look at the post vrecluse just posted about stake originals he even posted video proof!!

they are changing the values and manipulating them, making you lose!!