Dmann253 Posted July 2, 2022 #26 Posted July 2, 2022 Wired I think im gonna start streaming my runs watch for Dmann on Demand. Lol
kayttobr Posted July 2, 2022 Author #28 Posted July 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, ladygagay said: is it true? This is indeed true, yes, until we are given the source code on how these values are given to us, then you are operating in a huge gray area.r0.0000 Since Stake is not a Casino approved by a international gambling-committee to be proven "scam-free" and what not, then you are operating in a gray area, you are however accepting the risks yourselves. The casino is not located in say, United States of America, which then by federal law it would reQuire certain verification processes and what not, to verify that the casino operates completely scam-free, then they would be given a certificate for authentication and integrity, which in this case we do not have, and many online casinos alike do not. Being approved by these laws takes a long time, and it's a long process where they double check the entirety of the website and its structures, all the codes and everything. That is why Stake is not available in the US and other countries alike, because of these verification processes needs to take place to be approved. So this is basically an "illegal casino" per say, and not a legal one. (In the eyes of the gambling committees and verification processes etc). There are only 2 States in the USA where online casinos /gambling are completely banned and its in Utah and Hawaii. Long story short, TL;DR - Stake is not a verified Online Casino.
vrecluse Posted July 2, 2022 #30 Posted July 2, 2022 Streamlabs also have the same feature as nvidia now, you can also record in -replay- the past minutes and so on! good tutorial regardless
J-Dawg Posted July 2, 2022 #31 Posted July 2, 2022 4 hours ago, kayttobr said: This is indeed true, yes, until we are given the source code on how these values are given to us, then you are operating in a huge gray area.r0.0000 Since Stake is not a Casino approved by a international gambling-committee to be proven "scam-free" and what not, then you are operating in a gray area, you are however accepting the risks yourselves. The casino is not located in say, United States of America, which then by federal law it would reQuire certain verification processes and what not, to verify that the casino operates completely scam-free, then they would be given a certificate for authentication and integrity, which in this case we do not have, and many online casinos alike do not. Being approved by these laws takes a long time, and it's a long process where they double check the entirety of the website and its structures, all the codes and everything. That is why Stake is not available in the US and other countries alike, because of these verification processes needs to take place to be approved. So this is basically an "illegal casino" per say, and not a legal one. (In the eyes of the gambling committees and verification processes etc). There are only 2 States in the USA where online casinos /gambling are completely banned and its in Utah and Hawaii. Long story short, TL;DR - Stake is not a verified Online Casino. Well, they deleted my thread that explained the flaws on provably fair. Seems a little shady that instead of entering into conversation about it, they felt the need to delete it. Seems their full time detractor dd didn't have any valid arguments to counter. This is from the deleted thread, everyone should start to get get informed on exactly how these things work, that way they can better prepare themselves to make more informed decisons on how they bet and play games. And of course. if you going to gamble, as you've pointed out record it!Provably fair, is it fair? Every provably fair online casino will go on and on about how fair and transparent they are. They will include multiple pages or FAQs with lengthy explanations of how they use provably fair RNG on their games as well as provide players with an in house tool for verifying fairness. (These always show that every bet was fair, by the way.) They lean on these tools and explanations like a crutch that is the only thing holding up their exaggerated transparency and perceived fairness. This can all just be smoke and mirrors used to gain trust and fool players that don’t know how they can actively participate in the fairness of their games. The most common misconception of provably fair is that after a player manually changes their client seed, the casino can no longer change the outcome of the games without being caught and thus, has no opportunity to cheat. This is only partially true. It is not surprising to me that this is as far as most casinos will go with their descriptions, explanations and provably fair verification checkers. The process of generating a game result is much more complicated than the simple hashing of a server seed, client seed and nonce. That is only the first step of a more complicated mathematical process. If a casino were to manipulate the result of a truly provably fair bet, would you, the player be able to verify that the result was tampered with? Yes. But ONLY if the casino has published the code for every game’s RNG. All of it. Not just the hash from the seed pairs but exactly how that hash string is converted from a hexadecimal value to decimal value, which piece of that converted decimal value is used and the mathematical equation that turns that piece of the converted value into the result you see on your screen. If a casino only allows you to verify that they did not change the server seed then you have to also ask yourself, how the hell do I verify the rest of the process? If the casino keeps their code in darkness then you can’t. Once again, completely undermining the purpose of a casino being provably fair.
dupeddonk Posted July 5, 2022 #32 Posted July 5, 2022 On 7/2/2022 at 12:02 PM, J-Dawg said: Well, they deleted my thread that explained the flaws on provably fair. Seems a little shady that instead of entering into conversation about it, they felt the need to delete it. Seems their full time detractor dd didn't have any valid arguments to counter. I'm starting to think you're a pathalogical liar. The thread you're referring to was an ad hominem attack on me. Your main point was that my username was somehow proof that I lived in Australia and work for Stake - which is nonsense. On 7/2/2022 at 12:02 PM, J-Dawg said: This is from the deleted thread, everyone should start to get get informed on exactly how these things work, Actually, you plagiarized it from this blog: https://archive.ph/wip/2vGQn Not completely though, you left out the parts that didn't fit your irrational narrative, for example: Quote As bad as all that sounds, provably fair RNG is still, by far, the best iteration of RNG to date. But, only if it is used correctly and only if players are educated on the ways casinos can cheat them under the guise of transparency and fairness. It's a well written blog that makes many good points. I have a couple issues with some of their points, but obviously you aren't capable of discussing this topic in good faith so I won't waste my time going any further. ========================================== On 7/2/2022 at 5:51 AM, kayttobr said: The only way to prevent this is if we could actually download and store the client-seed locally, this way we will know there is no alterations made to the client seed. You can. And you must. Just copy and paste it somewhere, then save it. If you aren't saving the server hash and client seed before your first bet is made, you can't verify anything. On 7/2/2022 at 7:30 AM, kayttobr said: This is indeed true, yes, until we are given the source code on how these values are given to us, then you are operating in a huge gray area.r0.0000 Since Stake is not a Casino approved by a international gambling-committee to be proven "scam-free" and what not, then you are operating in a gray area, you are however accepting the risks yourselves. The casino is not located in say, United States of America, which then by federal law it would reQuire certain verification processes and what not, to verify that the casino operates completely scam-free, then they would be given a certificate for authentication and integrity, which in this case we do not have, and many online casinos alike do not. Being approved by these laws takes a long time, and it's a long process where they double check the entirety of the website and its structures, all the codes and everything. That is why Stake is not available in the US and other countries alike, because of these verification processes needs to take place to be approved. So this is basically an "illegal casino" per say, and not a legal one. (In the eyes of the gambling committees and verification processes etc). There are only 2 States in the USA where online casinos /gambling are completely banned and its in Utah and Hawaii. Long story short, TL;DR - Stake is not a verified Online Casino. Pretty much all of this is wrong. The way outcomes are determined on stake has been made public. What international gambling committee are you even talking about? There are no US federal verification process or laws in the US for casinos. There are only a dozen or so US States that have legalize, regulated online gambling, and most of them are limited to sports bets or horse racing, a smaller number include online poker and only one or two online casino games (slots, black jack, etc.). Ironically, the way outcomes are determined in these states are not made public, unlike Stake. (note: I'm only referring to Stake originals, there are almost no third party games that are provably fair)
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