So I've been giving it some thought and...

[Burnitdafrog]

It's occurred to me that it serves to benefit nobody were I to simply hand over my dice strategies. And I know what your first thought on that is. "Oh here it comes. Pay me and I'll tell you, right?" Wrong! 

The good stuff is at the bottom. AS usual. But I over complicated things on purpose to confuse the unworthy (and I hope the swearing and condescension isn't too much. I've put a lot of work and thought into this. I stress those portions are for comedy... Mostly XD

I have very little interest in assisting the beggar trash in their can rattling endeavours. And I mean that in as offensive way as possible. Good got that out of the way. moving on.

Now I know everyone has their own way of playing. As an individual who is a part of "everyone" I can say that this is true. And I think what may benefit the community is my explaining what I mean when I speak in the chat. So I'll do two things in this thread. Or rather I'll do one thing that has two-ish parts. I am going to give you a sort of guide to help you folks understand what I mean when I say things. And the reason for this is, I have a tendency to be misunderstood, so if I clear some things up. I might be able to better explain things, without having to jam up the chat by doing so. I'll try and keep the rambles and longwindedness in segments so that the core points are received.  Feel free to skip the speeches, as there will be plenty.

These are my own terms, based on my own observations and my  decades of degeneracy. (yes I started young. It was the 80s)

***DEFINITIONS & STRATEGIC USE OF TERMS***

1) Coin Flips :

This is essentially a win/lose type of bet. So if you're taking your entire weekly, monthly, depo or whatever you manage to swindle out of those who have yet to learn better. You're essentially taking a massive risk or a subsequent number of bets rather than playing slow and cautiously. Which is fine. Sometimes it works out in your favor.

***And when it doesn't, generally this is when people cry "skew" or Derp or "Im stupid and it's some how your fault, stake. Fuck you for me lack of self control." You have yet to come to terms with your lack of impulse control. It will come. In the meantime, you might want to consider adjusting your betting behaviour and for the sake of my personal sanity. Stop assigning blame anywhere beyond yourself, This is a casino and there are no save points. If you spend two dollars (or two thousand) and complain about not being a big shot, maybe play something a little more you own speed. Such as go fish or perhaps old maid. Eddie is in the business of offering games of chance and his objective is to make money. Why anyone is confused about this is beyond me, but I digress.***

2) Sand-Castling :

This applies to your crypto dust, your fragments, your satoshi, litoshi, baby-yoshi, whatever. And most specifically, to those "Fucking bullshit $0.07 reloads many people complain about as they spend the entire length of the campaign, scooping them all up. Yeah, you know you do it. I sure do, and I am truly grateful for the chance, because the potential that these little fragments hold can yield plenty in the right hands. Much like wet sand at the beach, you plant your ass down in a particular space and begin piling sand and eventually your pile begins to take shape and then you have a tremendous castle.  Do yourself a favor, keep piling. AND! remember, that your greed is the foot that stomps it down. 


3) Catalysting :

This is a tactic for you aspiring no stars, new players, and basically anyone who is trying to make the most out of their modest bankroll. Even you bigshots might benefit from an adjustment in your betting behaviours (more on this next) Catalysting is when you initiate what is to be a series of bets. Big or small. Auto or Manual. And when you win an amount "large" enough, to maintain betting with your profit, while simultaneously preserving your bankroll in the wonderful, beautiful, outstanding vault. (Appreciate the fuck out of this because this is one of the many things stake offers that isn't found elsewhere.)

*** I cant remember if it was Eddie or Steve who said it last week, "It's amazing to see how far the site has come in five years. I cant wait to see what it looks like in five more." ME too! And I hope to contribute... in my way XD***


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And now for the good part. I gonna keep this cryptic and vague so that the beggar trash doesn't get a hold of it. Despite this valuable (albeit nonsensical) information that precedes this next point, may in some way help the canrattlers become... I guess better parasites. I don't think any of them will be smart enough to give dice the same amount of attention I have, because if they could, they wouldn't be bothering anyone for tips. They would simply be using these simple methods to improve their betting potential, instead of relying on the kindness of their unsuspecting marks. So for those of you who are able to read between the lines. This is for you. Enjoy.


WHAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT DICE IS...

***heh heh... I am reluctant to proceed, because I really REALLY dont want to help the leeches, but fuck it.***

MATH DOES MATTER! PERIOD!!!

I've spent most of this year playing dice, and while I am far from the High Roller I intend to be, eventually. I do know that Dice is where the previous three points have the biggest impact. Primarily due to the fact that (despite what some may say) a rudimentary understanding of basic arithmetic is essential should you wish to separate one obvious aspect, from one that seems to be not so obvious.

A dice condition DOES NOT determine its effect. Get it? Got it? Good! IF not, tough shit.

For example:

"Condition 1: Every 1 bets Add to win chance 0.01%"

This is what the dice condition does. However, this does not explain, what effect this this condition has. 

In a previous post. I made the comment (without knowing that there is a win cap. An honest mistake) "This strategy will pay out $99.00 every time it wins. And its true. see the following conditions.



Inside of 148 bets, this method will be profitable, IF <------ It hits. And it will feel free to examine the winning scale with these parameters making manual adjustments. Or just  look at the following screenshots as It is clearly indicated what the winnings are.

Bet $0.01 
Win Chance 0.01%
Multiplier 9900x




Bet $0.02
Win Chance 0.02%
Multiplier 4950x




Bet $0.03
Win Chance 0.03%
Multiplier 3300x




I can assure you it continues like this, all the way down. Where this strategy is most profitable, is really dependent on how much wagering potential you carry in your bankroll. 

After 100 bets. You'll have wagered $50.50 as the sum of all numbers from 1 to 100 = 5050. Which means that at any point within that 100 bets, you stand to win $99.00 betting one penny to start and increasing one penny with each subsequent bet. I'd really like to see someone with millions to fuck around with, use this strategy and walk it all the way down from 9900x to 1.0102x. Just keep in mind that although the sum of all numbers 1 to 100 is 5050, the sum of all numbers 1 to 1000 is 250500. 

S = 500 (500+1) S = 500×501 S = 250500

So make your bets accordingly.


I'll part with a fun one. A freebee if you will. So here's your bone, canrattlers. I hope it ruins you all XD. and especially to the visionless twit who said "Math has nothing to do with dice." First of all, I hope you'll enjoy eating those words. and allow me to correct your comment. What I believe you had intended to say is "Math has nothing to do with what number the dice will roll. It's all RNG. And that is true. The roll is completely random. And math controls EVERYfuckinTHING else. And I already laid out the terms of our race. You aint changing anything. I challenged you! Nuff Said

This one I call PUSH/PULL (Keep in mind, whatever you choose to add to this, and the effects it has are a product of your own meddling. This is the core demonstration of one bet condition effecting another.






The effect here triggers beyond the hundredth bet. The Win Chance rises, which means the multiplier drops, and once it crosses the threashold, the 0.01% add to win chance CONDITION is first negated by the larger 0.02% subtract from Win chance CONDITION. 

THE EFFECT IN THIS CASE IS, THE DIRECTION REVERSES CAUSING THE MULTIPLIER TO RISE AND THE WIN CHANCE TO FALL. 

I hope this helps my fellow degenerates, and in turn I anticipate misuse or misunderstanding of the differences will surely benefit stake. My only regret is that I am unable to play some of you in cards.

Oh how sweet it would be, but I know why it cannot be.

Best of luck.

From your unfriendly neighbourhood Bitfrog!

















 

[stuckmojo]

Quality post sir

[Andreag89]

Finally found myself around the good side of gambling talks. 
 

This is really good quality post/topic and I really appreciate all the effort you took to put down in (nice) words all of this. 
I really enjoyed the whole reading specially the bitter parts 😅😅

Unfortunately you can’t change someone or their behavior, from the place I come from we say “if someone is born squared he cannot die circled”.

That said I really wish you all the great things life has to offer (hopefully some great wins too) 🍀🍀🍀

 

[Burnitdafrog]

"Unfortunately you can’t change someone or their behavior, from the place I come from we say “if someone is born squared he cannot die circled” "

I dig this. I don't completely agree, but I do respect eloquence. 

I'm a round peg, square hole kind of guy. Not because I'm a fool, but because I enjoy pretending to be one. 

May the fates bless you with even odds.

This is an example of the 9900x strategy I mentioned. Every win is in the amount of 0.00009900

My apologies, That math equation was incorrect, which tends to be the case when googling the answer. The Wager amount in this photo is the sum of all bets, 1-1001... Which still feels incorrect. 

 

[Burnitdafrog]

Update :

So for those of you who read the post in its entirety. Well done. I hope you enjoyed it. As you might have noticed I mentioned a term "Catalysting" Attached is a photo of an example of the auto dice game I started this morning. Let me know what you think.

Addendum :

In the time it took to post this reply. The catalyst proved fruitful. I have earned a total of 20% on top of what I started the sequence with and continue to run the sequence uninhibited.  

[jungl3]

Thanks for this thread @Burnitdafrog - it's nice to see information presented in a neat and coherent way.

Do you prefer to babysit a strategy and see it in action, rather than use a bot?

[Burnitdafrog]

It's kinda column A and B, although I don't know what you mean by bot. Unless of course its an auto play algorithm. Basically I m trying to perfect a set of conditions that I can just set and forget. It's been a lot of work and a lot of cash and a lot of trial and error. Examining the results of 0.01% variant changes over the course of 10k spins, has been a long process, but it's produced. Nothing will ever be 100% certain, however, I am confident that this work has value. It's been keeping me fed these last few months. Since Covid, I've been sick constantly. Without stake, I'd have lost everything already.  

2.1 LTC wagered. No interruptions. The longer I stare at the screen, the more I try to alter my perception about what it is i am seeing. It's given me some ideas for variants of this game. I no longer see a sugar cube on a line. I see the inner workings of a clock.

 

[jungl3]

I mean Seuntje's dice bot or MyDiceBot. Linking them will get me banned, but they're worth a Google if you haven't heard of them. You can make even more granular strategies than what's possible with stake's options. There are a lot of scripts/strategies available to use or just have a look at for inspiration.

I think they both have a simulator, to test x amount of rolls instantly, before using real funds in testing.

I'm glad to hear stake's been keeping you afloat with your strats. You must be doing something right.

[Burnitdafrog]

I approach dice like a puzzle with no edge pieces. The longer I look, the more I've come to understand. As far as bots go. I have no interest. I wont take any action that may compromise my account. Not worth the risk IMO.

The thing about testing without losses, is that when risk is absent, so is caution. When there are no consequences for ones decisions, the decisions are essentially meaningless, therefore the data gained from them is of lesser value. Again IMO.

With pen and paper I've learned lots and even made my own math formulas. I am amazed when I read comments like "Depoed 2k. Lost it all. Duuuurrrr! My weekly is shit. SKEM!"

I've wagered almost double of this mornings deposit. All of which is safe and secure inside my vault. All this play is on profit alone. 

Not sure if I mentioned it in the above terms and definitions, and I reiterate the point that these are all of my own creation. I neglected to mention the following term.

WAGER POTENTIAL :

It is of the utmost importance for people to learn what wagering actually means. If you already know, then good. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT! Any deposit upwards of $10 has the wagering potential of 100x the amount of the deposit. 

For those of you who are unclear on what wagering is. It is simply the sum of every bet placed. And with caution, one is capable of wagering 100x the amount of their deposit.

Furthermore, I understand the wanton to be like the pros who have the bankroll to actually profit from the 1.01x bets and make a killing. But as Eddie himself demonstrated on a live stream a few months back (On Limbo if I am not mistaken) it can and will tank eventually. 

1.01x = risking one dollar to earn one cent. I kinda like better payouts when I play, but to each their own. The two photos show the difference from the time I started writing this thread, to the end.

 

Present bankroll is now 10% of my deposit. And still rolling. I am approaching nearly 3x my deposit of 1.5 LTC. Which again, is still tucked away in the vault. I've audited countless online casinos, and let me tell you. The vault is a prime example, and one of many reasons that stake is the absolute best in the business. They give us so much. Far better than any of their competitors. 

3x Depo so far.

Gonna run this until it pops or flops.

Not sure if it was interrupted, or if I just didnt have enough bankroll to proceed. But here's the result



I wouldn't go so far as to call this a success, as there we no massive wins, but I managed to wager nearly $275 USD at no loss. If you check the time on the bottom right, you can approximate the timeline. Gonna tweak this a bit and start over. I may change the seed as well, just for the hell of it.

This is a perfect example of minor changes having significant effects. 


If you compare the data with the previous pics, you'll notice a significant drop in a much shorter period. This is why I stress to all readers. Pay attention to your bet conditions. Adequate testing is critical in determining their effects. On each other. On your bankroll. On your win potential. Remember. A dice condition does not alone determine its effect.

 

[WhimseyOn]

Loving this post. Makes perfect sense. Kind of. What I dont understand is what do you do after 148 loss streak. Do you reset and start over? Do you just let it ride and ride until it hits? How do you proceed after the loss streak that breaks profit margin? 

[Khennneth]

On 8/20/2022 at 12:24 AM, Burnitdafrog said:

The thing about testing without losses, is that when risk is absent, so is caution. When there are no consequences for ones decisions, the decisions are essentially meaningless, therefore the data gained from them is of lesser value. Again IMO.

100% agree with this. I've been working on some scripts for quite some time before with less and less desirable results every time I make small changes. I've had better results testing it live first then making a script out of it.
Man I wish there were more posts like this in this forum. Definitely a good read.

I do have the same questions as WhimseyOn above. And looking forward to an update or any changes you may have made.

[Khennneth]

Tried to recalculate based on the conditions of 0.01 bet and 0.01% increments starting with 0.01 base bet, it will be profitable if it hits within 140 bets not 148 bets. Beyond 140 nets you a negative.

[Brzk]

I liked here tô finish read it later.

[fredshen]

keep going bro

fighting

[Gurbetsky]

Haters will say its photoshopped !!!!... I had just moved away from trying this for a while tho.. I wish I was in on this.. better luck next time.