SCAMM YES OR NO?

[Ferti]

I have done more than 340.000 bets on this game, same size bet (0.40$), im currently down more than 8000$ on this game, im playing only this game. The biggest balance paid back over quite a few bonuses was ~1000$ im curently at 0% RTP... advertised RTP is 96,24%, how is this possible? And how is this even legal? I have put in the money i can lose, but i dont get it how can this be so bad? At this point it feels like 100% scamm.. What do you think?

This is the screen from my last session, before that i have put in atleast 7000$, same bet...

[kanaane]

I have a good method  to make up to x1000 

[Ferti]

5 minutes ago, kanaane said:

I have a good method  to make up to x1000 

x1000?😂 game owes like 20.000x 😂😂😂

[jungl3]

59 minutes ago, kanaane said:

I have a good method  to make up to x1000 

Nobody will be buying your "method" - stop spamming it everywhere on the forum. Go and play in traffic.

 

[sizzlinghotx]

340.000 bet x x 0.40 $ per bet = 136k wager

RTP 96.24 % so your loss at this distance must be about 5113.6 $

Now as you said its more then 8000 $

So keep trying to return this 2886.4 $ with high risk of losing more or just give up.

[krackeg]

Don’t play on stake anymore it’s complete trash anymore there’s a lot better sites out there that are actually paying

[Ferti]

7 minutes ago, sizzlinghotx said:

340.000 bet x x 0.40 $ per bet = 136k wager

RTP 96.24 % so your loss at this distance must be about 5113.6 $

Now as you said its more then 8000 $

So keep trying to return this 2886.4 $ with high risk of losing more or just give up.

Are you sure this is how RTP works? Until this point i have played many, many different games from Pragmatic, Hacksaw and Play n Go.. I always play 1 game at the time.. And every single 1 of them paid me back above 75% of the money i have put in.. (i have all the screenshots from my sessions, and its from atleast 20-30 different games, so what are the chances?  )  which was fine for me.. i understand you lose % over long period, and if game paid back above 70% it was fine with me, i have done from 20.000 - 150.000 spins on each game and the result was ALWAYS above 70% money paid back from money put in.. and from my understanding of other games this is how RTP works, wager just gives you bonuses, weeklys, monthlys to get closer to that advertised RTP, this was my understanding so far since it worked so far... im plat 3 btw. Each slot that i played before usually took some amount of money 500$, 2000$, 4000$ , 5000$ at max.. and then returned 70-90% of it over a lot of bonuses, base game hits.. rarely in one hit like Gates of Olympus and some other games i played... The thing is i never played big bets, only like 0.20 - max 0.60$ and it worked always, but this time is completely different. I think this has nothing to do with luck... i think the site itself is tracking you and drags you deeper and deeper with every game you play...testing your limits and trying to get you to the position where you run out of money   

[sizzlinghotx]

22 minutes ago, Ferti said:

Are you sure this is how RTP works? Until this point i have played many, many different games from Pragmatic, Hacksaw and Play n Go.. I always play 1 game at the time.. And every single 1 of them paid me back above 75% of the money i have put in.. (i have all the screenshots from my sessions, and its from atleast 20-30 different games, so what are the chances?  )  which was fine for me.. i understand you lose % over long period, and if game paid back above 70% it was fine with me, i have done from 20.000 - 150.000 spins on each game and the result was ALWAYS above 70% money paid back from money put in.. and from my understanding of other games this is how RTP works, wager just gives you bonuses, weeklys, monthlys to get closer to that advertised RTP, this was my understanding so far since it worked so far... im plat 3 btw. Each slot that i played before usually took some amount of money 500$, 2000$, 4000$ , 5000$ at max.. and then returned 70-90% of it over a lot of bonuses, base game hits.. rarely in one hit like Gates of Olympus and some other games i played... The thing is i never played big bets, only like 0.20 - max 0.60$ and it worked always, but this time is completely different. I think this has nothing to do with luck... i think the site itself is tracking you and drags you deeper and deeper with every game you play...testing your limits and trying to get you to the position where you run out of money   

Nobody knows how it is working in fact. So its our decision to believe or not. From my experience push gaming is worst for me. 2-3k+ losses not even average win.

[Ferti]

1 minute ago, sizzlinghotx said:

Nobody knows how it is working in fact. So its our decision to believe or not. From my experience push gaming is worst for me. 2-3k+ losses not even average win.

Thats true. But i think what im saying is not far from the truth  I got to plat 3 with almost no loss, less than -500 $  thats why i kept playing since for the money lost it was really good entertainment..ofc. i had to grind every game i played like crazy, but i never stopped until i got close to advertised RTP (money in - money out) most of the players would never do that so i understand losses are much bigger.. after a few games u start to notice that pattern of eating money than giving it back over a lot of spins... it was always almost the same "cycle" long periods of eating then suddenly 3-4 bonuses in a row or big base hits.. after that again eating until you reach a "wall" which is like "the lowest point" after that the game starts giving back.. until you get above atleast 70% money put in.. depends how much rakeback/weekly/monthly or VIP level is still waiting for you.. and when you combine that u will actually get very close to the advertised RTP.. so thats why my overall loss was so small.. but what i realised is that with every new game this "wall" gets deeper and deeper  Mybe im wrong but i have really played a looot of games... have screenshots and notes of every single one

[J-Dawg]

7 hours ago, Ferti said:

... The thing is i never played big bets, only like 0.20 - max 0.60$ and it worked always, but this time is completely different. I think this has nothing to do with luck... i think the site itself is tracking you and drags you deeper and deeper with every game you play...testing your limits and trying to get you to the position where you run out of money   

You are pretty much spot on here with you observation. Speak to some industry insiders, and you'll find out it's pretty much exactly how it works. Take a look at this 5 minute Vice News clip on YouTube from their series Informer for a very brief glimpse from behind the curtain. It's just how the industry operates, and they are doing it completely legally, it's nothing personal, but it is indeed very twisted, as it's not the experience people think they signed up for...

https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

 

 

[Shanaya24]

for every $ 0,40 you pay you get back 96,24% = 0,3849 so you loose 1,51 ct per bet x 340000 bets = 5134 loss.  You loose on average 2,3 ct per bet so your RTP is 94,25% with that many bets this shouldn't be possible.

[FapMaster]

The RTP "Return to Provider as I like to call it" is based on billions of spins. In some cases the provider will literally tell you it is based on 10 billion spins. Don't be surprised if it takes you a hell of a lot more spins to hit that so called 96.24% RTP.