Losingdough Posted September 20, 2022 #1 Posted September 20, 2022 im going on 6 months without a win. deposit around 3 times a week or more. down 40k on stake. i know one thing if you dare to say anything honest about this place you will get these results. 6 months of this. good job Eddie, glad you make a living ripping honest people off. by the way this was 261 bets in a row on keno , high, 6 tiles. 1 hit in total. x11 mult. 350 losses and 2 wins. on a game that claims 1.14% house ege. 72 $ dollars deposted , $74 wagered. yeah right stake. update. i proceeded to make 100 more bets with not a single hit. contacted support about this and of course got the canned bullshit about provably fair lol. they then said i have a problem and should get help and shut my acct. effectively stealing my platinum 3 status with no compensation. Stake the casino that will always be fair and should always be trusted lol.
jungl3 Posted September 20, 2022 #2 Posted September 20, 2022 The odds for 6 high keno.. Probability says 4 tiles should hit on average 6.2 times in 261 bets. 5 tiles should hit on average 0.51 times in 261 bets. That's impressively shit.. sorry man odds from - https://stakecommunity.com/topic/19627-odds-chart-for-keno/?do=findComment&comment=264333
ralfonso Posted September 20, 2022 #4 Posted September 20, 2022 40 minutes ago, jungl3 said: The odds for 6 high keno.. Probability says 4 tiles should hit on average 6.2 times in 261 bets. 5 tiles should hit on average 0.51 times in 261 bets. That's impressively shit.. sorry man odds from - https://stakecommunity.com/topic/19627-odds-chart-for-keno/?do=findComment&comment=264333 How are 6 tiles on High risk payout 270 at 5/6 and 4000 at 6/6?
jungl3 Posted September 20, 2022 #5 Posted September 20, 2022 31 minutes ago, ralfonso said: How are 6 tiles on High risk payout 270 at 5/6 and 4000 at 6/6? The payouts on that sheet are wrong, but the odds are correct. Well spotted 👽
Losingdough Posted September 20, 2022 Author #6 Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, jungl3 said: The odds for 6 high keno.. Probability says 4 tiles should hit on average 6.2 times in 261 bets. 5 tiles should hit on average 0.51 times in 261 bets. That's impressively shit.. sorry man odds from - https://stakecommunity.com/topic/19627-odds-chart-for-keno/?do=findComment&comment=264333 and of course this is just one of the dozens and dozens of examples of this happening. alll they ever can say is "look at our provably fair yada yada yada". apparently support is trained , whenever confronted with odds that just dont add up at all when applied practically, just tell them to shut up and shove the provably fair bullshit down their throat. and i f they give you any flack. just shut their acct. down and lie and say they self excluded. ive been on stake over 2 years. on the stream every Saturday with lots of raffle tickets. never one shit. for 6 months ive never even got close to doubling my balance and thats with 3-6 deposits a week. ive posted on here where ive gotten 1,00 three times in a row , back to back on limbo. is that theoretically possible. sure i guess, but when it happens all the time just like the results above. so the theoretically very very unlikely happen over and over again yet its provably fair. i cant stress enough how i feel taken advantage of and cheated by stake. A billion dollar company that is guaranteed to make money yet they insist on cheating loyal paying customers to the point where its impossible to ever win is a disgusting practice that stake in its infinite greed has chosen to adopt. I can see eddies greedy fat fucking ugly face as he shows off his new disgusting mansion and all it represents , knowing that it wasnt honest hard work that got him there. but instead by cheating and lying and generally being a disingenuous low life . they say money is the root of all evil, Eddie and his colleagues can all burn in hell. but before that hes going to enjoy some neat little plot twists on the horizon. fuck you stake, and go fuck yourself eddie you fat fucking degenerate thief. they say the apple dont fall far from the tree. like father , like son. did your ex-con criminal father teach you how to become a world class thief eddie? kudos!
dupeddonk Posted September 20, 2022 #9 Posted September 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Losingdough said: and of course this is just one of the dozens and dozens of examples of this happening. alll they ever can say is "look at our provably fair yada yada yada" Have you looked at it? In your first example, you're playing a super high variance game. The majority of a players expectation comes when you hit a 350x (about 1 in 500 chance) while each bet you have ~ 97.5% chance at 0x. About 8% chance at going 100 in a row 0x and just under 2% at going 252 in a row 0x. Winning 1 out of 252 is unlucky, yeah, but really not that crazy. Dry your eyes and find a game with less variance.
jungl3 Posted September 20, 2022 #11 Posted September 20, 2022 5 hours ago, dupeddonk said: Have you looked at it? In your first example, you're playing a super high variance game. The majority of a players expectation comes when you hit a 350x (about 1 in 500 chance) while each bet you have ~ 97.5% chance at 0x. About 8% chance at going 100 in a row 0x and just under 2% at going 252 in a row 0x. Winning 1 out of 252 is unlucky, yeah, but really not that crazy. Dry your eyes and find a game with less variance. Let's imagine that the session he had before that was -EV. The session before that, too. Oh, the previous 100 sessions. At which point can you no longer suspend your disbelief, duped? If your ass fell out and was stolen by flying monkeys, would you look around for the stake logo?
dupeddonk Posted September 20, 2022 #12 Posted September 20, 2022 2 hours ago, jungl3 said: Let's imagine that the session he had before that was -EV. The session before that, too. Oh, the previous 100 sessions. At which point can you no longer suspend your disbelief, duped? EV is theoretical, and since there's a house edge, every session is -EV regardless of the outcome. To answer the rest of your question you would need you to define what a session is. How many bets, what game, range of bet sizes, etc. Of course, I would also need to be convinced that the data was collected in an unbiased way, and not just someone crying about how much they lost. It's usually safe to assume when someone that gambles regularly is telling you about how unlucky they are, they're exaggerating - often times not intentionally, it's human nature. They really do feel that unlucky. Or, if they can't accept that, the alternative is to convince themselves they've been scammed. (And then convince everyone around them they've been scammed, because being a victim feels better than someone that lost fair and square).
yo310 Posted September 20, 2022 #13 Posted September 20, 2022 stake orginals RTP is shit... def not a 1% house edge
BGjack1 Posted September 20, 2022 #14 Posted September 20, 2022 there isn't RTP on originals . only providers have that RTP since they are somewhat little controlled and don't have there licenses in curucao or what ever it was
jungl3 Posted September 20, 2022 #15 Posted September 20, 2022 3 hours ago, dupeddonk said: EV is theoretical, and since there's a house edge, every session is -EV regardless of the outcome. You win some, you lose some. You can theorise the 48.6 quintillion bets before singularity wipes out the human race, but on the scale that we're betting here, for every normal let's-click-a-mouse-button a few hundred times kind of sessions, sometimes we should end in profit. Not always and of course it's going to depend on the session, the bet size, if you've waxed your nipples that morning, etc, but it should happen. Let's say a session is 352 rolls of 6 high keno at $1 a spin with a 1% house edge (using a round number for the sake of easier reading). Sometimes we'd expect to lose money on the session. Sometimes we'd expect to win money on the session. The odds aren't batshit insane to get 4 out 6 tiles in keno, so across 1000 sessions (nothing on a galactic scale), you'd expect a fairly even distribution of winning sessions to losing sessions, wouldn't you? On average you'd expect to lose $3.52 per session no matter how many times you did it. Starting session #976 and wanting to recover the $3300 (arbitrary amount) you're down overall isn't the consideration, it's ending the session with more than $352 that is of interest. If that never happens or never happens to any meaningful degree, then something is wrong, even in a sample size of 30,000~ rolls. How many sessions that end on a negative do you play until the thought crosses your mind that the theory was wrong or that you're being deceived? Your usual answer is infinity - is it infinity this time, too? If the provably fair system cannot produce more organic feeling results, has it not failed its purpose? Or does it fulfill the very purpose that it was designed for within the framework of stake?
Losingdough Posted September 23, 2022 Author #17 Posted September 23, 2022 On 9/20/2022 at 3:39 AM, dupeddonk said: Have you looked at it? In your first example, you're playing a super high variance game. The majority of a players expectation comes when you hit a 350x (about 1 in 500 chance) while each bet you have ~ 97.5% chance at 0x. About 8% chance at going 100 in a row 0x and just under 2% at going 252 in a row 0x. Winning 1 out of 252 is unlucky, yeah, but really not that crazy. Dry your eyes and find a game with less variance. yes i have looked at it Duped . You seem to always jump to the defense of stake no matter what. whats your incentive? Because the way in which you always show up and say things like "provably fair" ,Have you looked at it... are obvious tactics you use time and time again yet never offer anything beyond when I point out if stake holds there seed, my seed, and the nonce which is sequential therefore predictable , it only proves the outcome which can be manipulated easily while holding all the cards. also ive never seen you say anything as to all the missing bets when i get my bet history. easy to avoid showing up for comment on that right? As far as my gameplay that i posted, unlucky??? it has happened time and time again. and i dont think you are correct with what you said. a hit should of occured 7 times in 250 bets, well i went 350 and it hit one time. just like i have in another post gotted on limbo 3 x 1.00 in a row. funny you didnt show up to comment on that one huh? why did you bite your tongue there? also i posted these results on a super popular site in which stake has a page and they removed it that day. i asked the moderators why since i hadnt broken a single rule. they resoponded by permanently banning me from the sub. without explanation. why would stake ban me without so much as a reason why , having broke no rules. pretty obviouse why. they dont like when things are questioned and backed by honest data in which they really cant refute. so lets just not allow anything that doesnt back our claims , be they true or false.
dupeddonk Posted September 24, 2022 #18 Posted September 24, 2022 20 hours ago, Losingdough said: Have you looked at it... are obvious tactics you use time and time again yet never offer anything beyond when I point out if stake holds there seed, my seed, and the nonce which is sequential therefore predictable , it only proves the outcome which can be manipulated easily while holding all the cards. That's false. The nonce doesn't make the outcome predictable because sha256 hashes are not predictable, changing a single character results in a completely different and unpredictable hash. The outcome cannot be manipulated because they have to choose the server seed before you choose the player seed. House chooses seed and provides hash => Player chooses seed => Bets are made => House reveals seed => Player verifies results and provided hash matches revealed server seed. Once you set your seed, they have the information to calculate the result for every nonce (although you still have the ability to change in game options like risk, keno numbers, plinko rows, etc.), but they cannot change it. As soon as you set your seed, the results are locked in up until you decide to change seed again. 20 hours ago, Losingdough said: You seem to always jump to the defense of stake no matter what. When stake does something shady, I call them out. When players cry about a rigged game that's provably fair, and they obviously don't understand how provably fair works, I try to help them understand how it works. Most players attack me for that, and that's fine, because there have been plenty that appreciate my effort as well. 20 hours ago, Losingdough said: As far as my gameplay that i posted, unlucky??? Yes, unlucky. 20 hours ago, Losingdough said: i dont think you are correct with what you said. a hit should of occured 7 times in 250 bets, well i went 350 and it hit one time. In Keno there's a 2.56% chance to hit 4, 5 or 6 numbers with 6 numbers selected. So, 2.56 hits per 100, or 6.4 hits per 250. So, closer to 6 times per 250 bets. It's unlucky you only hit 11x once in 350. On average you will have about 9 winning bets in 350. Remember, you're gambling. It's unpredictable, that's what makes it fun. If these long losing streaks make it not fun for you, you change to medium risk, or pick a different number of tiles. (your losing streaks won't be as long with any number of tiles picked besides 3.) 20 hours ago, Losingdough said: ive never seen you say anything as to all the missing bets when i get my bet history. easy to avoid showing up for comment on that right? I've addressed this many times.
v1rtu0s Posted September 24, 2022 #20 Posted September 24, 2022 1 hour ago, dupeddonk said: When stake does something shady, I call them out. lol I must have missed that Besides dupeddonk probably being on the PR-payroll of Stake (nobody sides 99% of the time with a billion dollar company without incentive), his thoughts here are actually sensible. Keno 6/6 is basically hoping for the 1/500, but only gives you 350x payout. I think you're better off going straight for the 350 in limbo or dice. It's quite common to go 1000 rounds without seeing the 1/500 (it's freakin 13,5%!) and 1 out of 20 sessions you don't see it for 1500 rounds. Keno 4/5(48x) or 5/7(90x) are lifesavers while chasing those 450/400/800, while chasing 5/6 or 6/6 you have none of those. Try 5 or 7 Tiles instead of 6 and you might find yourself much longer ingame and wagering. Good Luck.
dupeddonk Posted September 24, 2022 #21 Posted September 24, 2022 On 9/20/2022 at 6:52 PM, jungl3 said: Let's say a session is 352 rolls of 6 high keno at $1 a spin with a 1% house edge (using a round number for the sake of easier reading). Sometimes we'd expect to lose money on the session. Sometimes we'd expect to win money on the session. The odds aren't batshit insane to get 4 out 6 tiles in keno, so across 1000 sessions (nothing on a galactic scale), you'd expect a fairly even distribution of winning sessions to losing sessions, wouldn't you? If by even distribution you mean about 50% winning sessions and about 50% losing, then no. Because of the variance of 6 high keno (you won't have a profitable session unless you hit a 350x, which has something like a 1 in 500+ chance of hitting), losing sessions will be much more frequent. Over 1,000 sessions it's possible to be 50/50, but over an infinite sample size you will have more losing sessions than winning. 8 minutes ago, v1rtu0s said: Keno 6/6 is basically hoping for the 1/500, but only gives you 350x payout. I think you're better off going straight for the 350 in limbo or dice. The house edge is basically the same. If they had keno payout where 4/6 paid 0, 5/6 paid 500x (or whatever the exact number is, minus 1%) and 6/6 paid 0, you'd basically be playing the same thing as 500x limbo.
Losingdough Posted September 24, 2022 Author #23 Posted September 24, 2022 6 hours ago, dupeddonk said: That's false. The nonce doesn't make the outcome predictable because sha256 hashes are not predictable, changing a single character results in a completely different and unpredictable hash. The outcome cannot be manipulated because they have to choose the server seed before you choose the player seed. House chooses seed and provides hash => Player chooses seed => Bets are made => House reveals seed => Player verifies results and provided hash matches revealed server seed. Once you set your seed, they have the information to calculate the result for every nonce (although you still have the ability to change in game options like risk, keno numbers, plinko rows, etc.), but they cannot change it. As soon as you set your seed, the results are locked in up until you decide to change seed again. When stake does something shady, I call them out. When players cry about a rigged game that's provably fair, and they obviously don't understand how provably fair works, I try to help them understand how it works. Most players attack me for that, and that's fine, because there have been plenty that appreciate my effort as well. Yes, unlucky. In Keno there's a 2.56% chance to hit 4, 5 or 6 numbers with 6 numbers selected. So, 2.56 hits per 100, or 6.4 hits per 250. So, closer to 6 times per 250 bets. It's unlucky you only hit 11x once in 350. On average you will have about 9 winning bets in 350. Remember, you're gambling. It's unpredictable, that's what makes it fun. If these long losing streaks make it not fun for you, you change to medium risk, or pick a different number of tiles. (your losing streaks won't be as long with any number of tiles picked besides 3.) I've addressed this many times. ok , but a week before that i got three 1.00 in a row on limbo. AGAIN. and these "unlucky" steaks have been consistant for 5 months without any win streaks. i mean im not being unreasonable in questioning the validity of fairness when in my own experience the highly unlikely keep happening. but you wont acknowlege that side of the coin i know. but im not trying to convince you of anything anyways. i wonder why my post with that data was taken down and i was closed from a forum with no reason.
dexmultipliers Posted September 24, 2022 #24 Posted September 24, 2022 On 9/20/2022 at 10:32 AM, Losingdough said: im going on 6 months without a win. deposit around 3 times a week or more. down 40k on stake. i know one thing if you dare to say anything honest about this place you will get these results. 6 months of this. good job Eddie, glad you make a living ripping honest people off. by the way this was 261 bets in a row on keno , high, 6 tiles. 1 hit in total. x11 mult. 350 losses and 2 wins. on a game that claims 1.14% house ege. 72 $ dollars deposted , $74 wagered. yeah right stake. update. i proceeded to make 100 more bets with not a single hit. contacted support about this and of course got the canned bullshit about provably fair lol. they then said i have a problem and should get help and shut my acct. effectively stealing my platinum 3 status with no compensation. Stake the casino that will always be fair and should always be trusted lol. Sorry for ur losses bro hope u over come this soon
naomihendrix Posted September 24, 2022 #25 Posted September 24, 2022 why ask such trivial questions of course not.
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