Stake is tracking you

[Oldfashion]

Now i got that why i m losinn all the time 😅😅

[alfagama]

The real question is, what are they doing with this data?

[Big Dallas]

Is it legal for them to do that? And for what reason will they do that? 

[Nendi123]

Looks bad for player

[youcheckibet]

On 3/27/2023 at 4:40 AM, nniks19 said:

Hey guys,

 

You can read about stake case study here:
https://www.optimove.com/pdf/Optimove-Stake-Case-Study.pdf

stake is tracking you how you browse website /when you are online, when  you are chatting, clicks you are doing everything.

They are using third party software called optimove. I found out about it by looking at api requests when using stake site.

 

 

 

Lol all sites track you via cookies it is disgusting. You can take steps to prevent this if you want, just google how to do so.

[Rekan329]

Even if you don't accept cookies the providers still get enough information about you you only have one option which is to block them but then you can't open the casino sites

[FL3CHA2000]

You can track my d.... also 😛

[parachalokkal]

Ok

[Tokai2021]

On 3/26/2023 at 11:40 PM, nniks19 said:

...

 oh well...

 

maybe they just wanne know wich kind of p*rn i watch, so they can start boadcasting it on kick too,

stake really is improving. so i guess they use the tools, rather then too abuse.

 

On 3/27/2023 at 9:50 AM, Zamia2001 said:

Hope stake focus more on tracking those with suspicious activities on the site ,finding ways to protect the players for possible scams and theft..

stake doesnt protect me, this does :

 

[Primequin]

EVen if stake is tracking me, i am very sure they cant get anything from me. Haha

[majikoins69]

What are you taking? Where are you buying?

[StormerFan]

Very interesting subject.

[georji3]

How did they do that? 

[Hamil14]

Yep if you do not deposit often, your chance of winning is decreasing haha

[Maddox03]

woah

[Adnanc]

  

On 3/30/2023 at 12:26 AM, Maroons8989 said:

This is all true but you’re leaving out one important aspect: we have no idea what level of control stake has over their games or their relationships with their providers. They operate with 100% immunity as they’re not audited by any legitimate regulatory agency. 

So, what exactly you want them to tell you?
What's the level of control they have over Originals (I won't discuss 3rd party slots)? 
Level of control on their Originals is 100% in their hands.

They could make you lose everything every time you play.
They could make you lose every single roll you make on dice.

Reason is simple:
- It's clearly stated when you click on the game's description - let's look at HiLo as example: Edge: 1.00%

if they can set the house edge to 1%, they can set it to 100%, there is no tehcnical issues that could stop them, it's their code, their games.

But THEY DON'T DO SUCH THINGS, BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THE PROFIT AND DOING SHADY THINGS IS NOT PROFITABLE FOR THEM. All players would be gone in a week.

They care a lot about these 1% because that's the expected % of total wager made by all players during specific timefrime that they will surely get as profit, what's exact timeframe, I don't know, but let's say it's 12 months.

I'm pretty sure that a lot more than 100 billion USD is wagered at Stake in one year, but...
_________________________________________
Just so those that are skeptical about it don't say it's a too high, let's say it's 10 billion.

Out of those 10 billion wagered, they will get 100 million USD of income. OK, income, not everything is profit, there are expenses too.

If expenses are 50% and I'm sure they are not.
In my opinion, expenses are not even 15% when you consider
- it's an online business.
- the servers are not expensive to rent or buy (especially the ones that Stake uses, we all witnessed how slow they can be), - support staff and chat moderators are mostly from Balkans (Serbia specifically) where average salary is less than 600 EUR,
- developers/coders are probably paid much more, but that's all peanuts compared to income)
- sponsorship deal expenses (some huge, some low but in the end they bring new people)
- and some more tiny expenses like weeklies and monthlies...

So, on 10 billion $ wagered after the expenses of 50%, the company ends year 50 million USD in profit - assuming the edge is 1% - and on average. (But it's not it's not, it's more since there are games with higher edge. They also get much more from 3rd party slots since edge can be 4-5% and they split it 50-50 with provider.)

There are taxes, not sure where they pay them, but even if tax is 25% on profit and and then 5% on dividends when they get the money out of company to their personal bank accounts, the owner/s get clean profit - cash 35.625.000,00 USD.

Not sure how many owners is, but I'm sure it's not just Eddie.
This is the amount they split between them, assuming everything is done by the law and by that I mean no fictional expenses that will "reduce" the profit, "hiding crypto" and similar methods well known to those who are avoiding taxes.
_________________________________________

Since I'm pretty sure, and you can see it at the casino yourself, there's a lot more money wagered, and it's 100s of billions not 10s of billions USDs yearly, the profit is most likely 10x higher than in example above,

That being said,
Stake owners should split 350+ million USD yearly between them but only if the average house edge is 1%. Which is not.

So, triple the house edge, my predictions it's close to 3% (all games average), and you'll get to:
1 billion USD of profit to be paid out to owners of this beautiful casino each year.
_________________________________________

Tell me now:

- Do you think there is an idiot owner at Stake that would risk this by doing shady stuff when they know that if they do something like this, they won't earn in a week or month as much as they earn yearly because of players leaving them and never coming back? 
- Isn't it easier, when you already earning 100s of millions yearly, just to play by the rules?
- Would you risk and lose long term business in order to get less money?
- Would you like to have legal issues and sleep with one eye open entire life when you can be relaxed and more wealthy in legal way?

Although they have absolute control over their platform, there is absolutely no need for casino owners to cheat on you or me. We agreed to give them their cut as soon as we pressed that bet button first time, then again and again.

As long as there is this many of idiots who like gambling, adrenaline rush from it, and so on, it's not necessary for Stake owners to be idiots and risk the business that they built with their hard work and invested precious time measured in years.

Gamble, and hope for the best. Gamble what you can afford to lose. Gamble to the loss limit that won't affect your life in a bad way not even for a day, not to mention months. Gamble and win. Withdraw immediately. Spend it. Then deposit again. Gamble and enjoy, because it doesn't matter that Stake has absolute control over games, as long as you have control over your actions and reactions on losses and winnings.

Or stop for good.

Good luck everyone.
 

[DEGEN247]

3 minutes ago, Adnanc said:

So, what exactly you want them to tell you?
What's the level of control they have over Originals (I won't discuss 3rd party slots)? 
Level of control on their Originals is 100% in their hands.

They could make you lose everything every time you play.
They could make you lose every single roll you make on dice.

Reason is simple:
- It's clearly stated when you click on the game's description - let's look at HiLo as example: Edge: 1.00%

if they can set the house edge to 1%, they can set it to 100%, there is no tehcnical issues that could stop them, it's their code, their games.

But THEY DON'T DO SUCH THINGS, BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THE PROFIT AND DOING SHADY THINGS IS NOT PROFITABLE FOR THEM. All players would be gone in a week.

They care a lot about these 1% because that's the expected % of total wager made by all players during specific timefrime that they will surely get as profit, what's exact timeframe, I don't know, but let's say it's 12 months.

I'm pretty sure that a lot more than 100 billion USD is wagered at Stake in one year, but...
_________________________________________
Just so those that are skeptical about it don't say it's a too high, let's say it's 10 billion.

Out of those 10 billion wagered, they will get 100 million USD of income. OK, income, not everything is profit, there are expenses too.

If expenses are 50% and I'm sure they are not.
In my opinion, expenses are not even 15% when you consider
- it's an online business.
- the servers are not expensive to rent or buy (especially the ones that Stake uses, we all witnessed how slow they can be), - support staff and chat moderators are mostly from Balkans (Serbia specifically) where average salary is less than 600 EUR,
- developers/coders are probably paid much more, but that's all peanuts compared to income)
- sponsorship deal expenses (some huge, some low but in the end they bring new people)
- and some more tiny expenses like weeklies and monthlies...

So, on 10 billion $ wagered after the expenses of 50%, the company ends year 50 million USD in profit - assuming the edge is 1% - and on average. (But it's not it's not, it's more since there are games with higher edge. They also get much more from 3rd party slots since edge can be 4-5% and they split it 50-50 with provider.)

There are taxes, not sure where they pay them, but even if tax is 25% on profit and and then 5% on dividends when they get the money out of company to their personal bank accounts, the owner/s get clean profit - cash 35.625.000,00 USD.

Not sure how many owners is, but I'm sure it's not just Eddie.
This is the amount they split between them, assuming everything is done by the law and by that I mean no fictional expenses that will "reduce" the profit, "hiding crypto" and similar methods well known to those who are avoiding taxes.
_________________________________________

Since I'm pretty sure, and you can see it at the casino yourself, there's a lot more money wagered, and it's 100s of billions not 10s of billions USDs yearly, the profit is most likely 10x higher than in example above,

That being said,
Stake owners should split 350+ million USD yearly between them but only if the average house edge is 1%. Which is not.

So, triple the house edge, my predictions it's close to 3% (all games average), and you'll get to:
1 billion USD of profit to be paid out to owners of this beautiful casino each year.
_________________________________________

Tell me now:

- Do you think there is an idiot owner at Stake that would risk this by doing shady stuff when they know that if they do something like this, they won't earn in a week or month as much as they earn yearly because of players leaving them and never coming back? 
- Isn't it easier, when you already earning 100s of millions yearly, just to play by the rules?
- Would you risk and lose long term business in order to get less money?
- Would you like to have legal issues and sleep with one eye open entire life when you can be relaxed and more wealthy in legal way?

Although they have absolute control over their platform, there is absolutely no need for casino owners to cheat on you or me. We agreed to give them their cut as soon as we pressed that bet button first time, then again and again.

As long as there is this many of idiots who like gambling, adrenaline rush from it, and so on, it's not necessary for Stake owners to be idiots and risk the business that they built with their hard work and invested precious time measured in years.

Gamble, and hope for the best. Gamble what you can afford to lose. Gamble to the loss limit that won't affect your life in a bad way not even for a day, not to mention months. Gamble and win. Withdraw immediately. Spend it. Then deposit again. Gamble and enjoy.

Or stop for good.

Good luck everyone.
 

eddie get off ur alt

[Adnanc]

3 minutes ago, DEGEN247 said:

eddie get off ur alt

LoL
I knew someone will make a joke like that, but luckily for a mod that muted me today so I have nothing else to do than write bullshit facts here, I'm not Eddie and this account isn't his alt. 

Sure, my reply looks like I'm a lawyer of Stake, or owner himself, but I'm just trying to explain to readers and players who think that Stake is cheating, are simply short-sighted. They need more info and facts to make sure they can judge objectively.

Also, I'm trying to make the players realize we are mostly addicted idiots (including me) that usually can't stop when winning, and since odds are against us, at some point we'll lose all.

Just think about this for a moment:
How many times you deposited XXX and after 10-20 mins of play you had 50% profit or even 100% or more?
And how many times you kept playing?

In 90% of the time, after first couple of minutes, or let's say half an hour, I'm in profit.
But:
- I didn't get my daily dose of adrenaline rush, so I keep playing,
- I get that false feeling that "this is that session I've waited for, here's my XYZWZX multi, almost there",
- I doubled my money, why shouldn't I double the doubled money now, it's easy, I just did it in minutes... etc

Damn damn damn. You know how it usually ended up? You know. Everybody does. 

[DEGEN247]

8 minutes ago, Adnanc said:

LoL
I knew someone will make a joke like that, but luckily for a mod that muted me today so I have nothing else to do than write bullshit facts here, I'm not Eddie and this account isn't his alt. 

Sure, my reply looks like I'm a lawyer of Stake, or owner himself, but I'm just trying to explain to readers and players who think that Stake is cheating, are simply short-sighted. They need more info and facts to make sure they can judge objectively.

Also, I'm trying to make the players realize we are mostly addicted idiots (including me) that usually can't stop when winning, and since odds are against us, at some point we'll lose all.

Just think about this for a moment:
How many times you deposited XXX and after 10-20 mins of play you had 50% profit or even 100% or more?
And how many times you kept playing?

In 90% of the time, after first couple of minutes, or let's say half an hour, I'm in profit.
But:
- I didn't get my daily dose of adrenaline rush, so I keep playing,
- I get that false feeling that "this is that session I've waited for, here's my XYZWZX multi, almost there",
- I doubled my money, why shouldn't I double the doubled money now, it's easy, I just did it in minutes... etc

Damn damn damn. You know how it usually ended up? You know. Everybody does. 

 

chat gpt getting wild now this shit wrote me a whole short story!

[Adnanc]

4 minutes ago, DEGEN247 said:

 

chat gpt getting wild now this shit wrote me a whole short story!

Well, what did you ask it? 
And post the answer please   I'm curious.

[tariKLover]

agree

[nniks19]

Almost a year since this topic has been made 

[jesseey]

important information 

[Kirkkyy]

On 3/27/2023 at 2:50 PM, Adnanc said:

No. To make you play more.

They don't care will specifically you or I lose or win.
You people should realize once and for all: We play against each other, they take the House Edge.
Most of us gotta lose small depos for some of us to win some significant amount.

Stake is just an intermediary side that takes it's cut, which is anywhere between 1-5% of amount being wagered by all of us in total.

The more you play, the bigger the amount they get, wether you win or lose, because someone will always be losing.

At the beginning of each financial year they can predict their amount of profit so accurate that it's scary:
probably 100-200K more or less is incredible when we talk about 10s or 100s of millions $ of profit.

I remember talking to a manager of one casino (not Stake), but traditional (fiat only) online casino where I won one of their jackpots. Their policy is to meet the winner personally and although we're 1000s of km away, so he (the manager) flew to my hometown to meet me and have a dinner.

So, not knowing how things work back then I asked him:

- "Do you feel bad when someone wins such huge amount?" 

He smiled and said: 

- "Actually, I'm glad. I love meeting with people that won, see how happy they are because it does not influence the company or me personally at all. At the beginning of the year, we know how much we're going to profit in next 12 month, assuming no extraordinary events occur. I also go and meet whales regularly, and it's hard spending time with them when they had a bad month or two. I hate that"

When saying extraordinary events he thought about things like a pandemic, which happened and affected most casinos in a positive manner,  or a huge financial crysis which also makes ordinary people turn to gamble more in order to make up for lower (no) salary and inflation (casinos profit again).

Basically, most casinos end up being in profit more than they think they would, and the only thing that could affect them is probably asteroid crashing the earth and fucking up internet completely.

That being said, Stake uses these tools to learn more about your habits, learn more about what you (don't) like, and provide you best user experience so you keep coming back, playing more, wagering more, losing, winnin, doesn't matter to them, as long as you're here to play.

Trust me, they would love if they could take 1% house edge and let us all winning all the time, but that's impossible.

I repeat, Stake is not your opponent here, it's that friend in chat that tipped you, or a stranger that said Good luck. Or someone that never said anything in chat. It's me. We take each others money, we share the RTP, and who'll get the most of it depends of couple of factors that include size of your balls, some luck and timing.

Stake... Stake gets peanuts compared to all  the money that flows around. And those peanuts are fucking large, but that's because they do their best to grow them in a regular and legal way, by advertising, giveaways, learning more about its users and giving them the best gambling experience they can.

Good luck.
Your opponent, I.

This is topnotch! 

Im an opponent to millions of people! Imagine that weight on that. I like it. Im a gambler I love Stake. 

[BigMum]

Optimove is for tech and marketing team, not only they track every data, they decide bonus amounts, bonus drops, bonuses and everything based on this data, also they decide which players are misusing stake and properly losing money 😂 all across API requests