System is set up for failure. Claiming refund.

[oxywizard]

stake.com is a great site that i loved visiting on my daily use of the internet. 

after a while of playing and trying it out i started noticing the system is set to make players lose no matter how provably fair its claimed to be 

i made over 90000 bets and have not withdrawn 1$ profit. not the way i play or anything. the system always win. for example if i win 6x . the site makes gives instant bombs and faulty bets for 7 times then let you win 1 more time. and process on repeat every time. 

i went to support and showed them many bets of mines that the system gave me instant bombs on for increasing bet value for like 4-5 times and then they never gave me a straight forward answer and i asked for a refund they said no. we don't do refunds. well as a customer i'm very unhappy with the outcomes of the system and the staff which i was a part of also and they kicked me out without any consent for the most hypocritical thing ever but anyway i'm offering to take 50% back of my losses and they keep 50% since i took the risk already but the system has turned out to be faulty in my opinion and i stand on that firmly. no matter what happened, if something seems to be what it is. then it is what it is not what it said to be, since clearly it isn't.

here are some of the many bets i made. 

@maverick528 @denildan 

[oxywizard]

2 minutes ago, Kate said:

Feels bad for your loses but once you take a risk its gone either you get back something or not. I know that you got a lot of loses but the company isn't at any fault. They offer a service and it's up to your opinion whether to risk it or not. But so many red's in a row makes me feel something fishy. 

thanks for your reply and empathy but this isn't the first time i get so many reds and claim these claims. but this is the first time i'm getting players involved so they can judge too  and i understand taking a risk. but over 4-5 months and 0 withdraw isn't something i stand with. 

[SuddenlyBroke]

Sorry you losing oxy

If stake setup for failure, this kind of thing wouldn't be possible:

You must feel bad but don't forget there are many players and even though you have losses others have wins, so it would be crazy for stake to refund losses, because when people win they don't offer to donate winnings back to stake.

Hope it turns around for you! Why not try some small satoshi betting on some of the promos, e.g. mirror mirror posted yesterday and see if you can rebuild from some promotions?

[oxywizard]

Just now, SuddenlyBroke said:

Sorry you losing oxy

If stake setup for failure, this kind of thing wouldn't be possible:

You must feel bad but don't forget there are many players and even though you have losses others have wins, so it would be crazy for stake to refund losses, because when people win they don't offer to donate winnings back to stake.

Hope it turns around for you! Why not try some small betting on some of the promos, e.g. mirror mirror posted yesterday and see if you can rebuild from some promotions.

im well aware of that and i understand it completely but i have not seen players that arent actually rich in life win. its set up for big players to win big so they attract them more then lose big, and small players just to lose no matter what the odds are. and @Neverever  dude the name says it all. these bets really neverever happened.

thanks for your comment and advice <3 

1 minute ago, Kate said:

Also i don't understand after loosing like 3 times why didn't you reduce your bet ? That's the usual mentality of normal betters. 

i really tried so many ways of playing styles ''Proportional betting'' ''Martingale'' and even fixed betting and nothing worked...

[Katarina]

Hello @oxywizard !

 

Before accusing the system of cheating, please provide us with some valid proof of what you are claiming! 

 

You know that we are provably fair website, so feel free to verify each and every one of your bets: 

 

[oxywizard]

i actually did provide enough valid proofs already. i verifyed and showed you that the outcomes arent correct and im done providing stuff for nothing. im not calling the system anything. you assumed that i said its a cheat. i say its faulty  please agree on my refund and never see me here again

1 minute ago, Kate said:

My thoughts on this is ( Please don't be rude or have any assumptions on me just my review ) : If most of the players in this month doesn't make a bit of the profit then to me clearly the company is either : 

1. Being in a loss

2. Turning to a phishy company 

3. Has some major bugs in the system 

completely agreeing with you on this. thanks 

[oxywizard]

Just now, Kate said:

No offense to the Stake or Support Team but you guys just depend on this verifier. I don't even know when was it even updated or cleaned or updated with the system. If its updated always then good going. But support team should actually not rely on this and look into the matter themselves. ( Just my opinion and not being rude  ) 

your opinion should be seriously taken in consideration because you're making total sense 

[Katarina]

You have this one as well:

 

https://stake.com/fairness/overview , just choose the game which bets you want to verify.

[boomer12]

oh really

[oxywizard]

yes im going to use the same method that took the money, to verify it took the money ? sorry but this is 

inapplicable

2 minutes ago, Katarina said:

You have this one as well:

 

https://stake.com/fairness/overview , just choose the game which bets you want to verify.

 

2 minutes ago, boomer12 said:

oh really

yes mate  

[Katarina]

As I have already mentioned, provide us with any valid proof of what you are claiming, we will forward it to the devs and admins and they will check it.

[oxywizard]

come on @Katarina i know you're protecting the sovereignty of the company and the site, but i provided enough valid proofs in the past and in the present. i'm done with the bureaucracy of the logistics and all its matters. please help me leave the site in a sense where both parties are satisfied. 

[Katarina]

What proof are you referring to exactly?

Merely sending screenshots of losing bets is not any proof. It's possible to win multiple times in a row, but also to lose.

No one is forcing any of you guys to play here, you are doing it on your own free will. Bear that in mind.

We are sorry to see that you lost, but you may stop playing at any moment. There is no need to make false accusations just because you lost.

[oxywizard]

im not making any accusations im just stating facts that actually happened and saw them first hand. and freewill it is but its not freewill after a couple of hours of losing. its actually a vicious cycle that this site depends on and keeps on inflating over time. im not saying these screen shots are the validation but ive showed many bets to support staff and they just rubbed it off with same answers as yours. im not going to dig bets out for me to proof over and over again. proof is that ive been here for over 4 months and yet 0 outcome has returned to me. not even 1 satoshi.

and mentioning that ive worked with the site and promoted it and all I got eventually from the staff was a big metaphor of a fuck you. 

Sorry only reasonable person I felt that has morality is mladen other than that rest treated me like shit 

[Katarina]

Did you even try to verify the bets?

 

If not, I can verify some for you or help you with it just to show you that our SYSTEM IS FAIR and NOT programmed to drain your funds! 

 

Feel free to either pm me or to reach us out through Live Support chat.

 

Have a nice day! 

[boomer12]

2 minutes ago, Katarina said:

Did you even try to verify the bets?

 

If not, I can verify some for you or help you with it just to show you that our SYSTEM IS FAIR and NOT programmed to drain your funds! 

 

Feel free to either pm me or to reach us out through Live Support chat.

 

Have a nice day! 

i found some bug too on plinko manytimes

[Katarina]

You can always reach us out through Live Support chat or email: [email protected]

Please prepare valid proof before making any accusation, so that we have something to check.

[oxywizard]

So that’s it huh? It seems like you’re not reading me quiet well, I’m not going to go through the process again and again. I loved the site and it’s repertoire but not so much now. I really just want 50% of entire balance and I can then call it provably fair. Thanks have a good day 2

[boomer12]

2 minutes ago, boomer12 said:

i found some bug too on plinko manytimes

no i did not verify  because i did not know the process

[oxywizard]

4 minutes ago, boomer12 said:

i found some bug too on plinko manytimes

Same here and admin told me we do it to take your money

[boomer12]

8 minutes ago, oxywizard said:

Same here and admin told me we do it to take your money

ohh

[oxywizard]

1 minute ago, boomer12 said:

ohh

I have a screen shot of it  and now they mute me just because i said a word of the human body

[Katarina]

You were muted for spamming the chat with the link to this thread and for being offensive.

 

You were warned not to spam the link, still, you kept on doing it.

[boomer12]

3 minutes ago, oxywizard said:

I have a screen shot of it  and now they mute me just because i said a word of the human body

thats sad man it will drecease popularity of stake.com

[oxywizard]

2 minutes ago, Katarina said:

You were muted for spamming the chat with the link to this thread and for being offensive.

 

You were warned not to spam the link, still, you kept on doing it.

Come on @Katarina you’re just proving my point that everyone treats me like shit from staff, I didn’t spam link. I sent it 2-3 times in 2 hours plus it’s a stake related thing and people are interested but thanks anyway and I don’t take warningsfrom anyone plus has no real validation of what they claim