Stake wrongfully settling bets, Support delusional

[samsala27]

Hello, so i had this bet placed where i "lost" on "anytime goalscorer" Alexander Isak

The rules state that "All players who took part in the match since kick off or previous goal are considered as runners" as shown in the pictures.

Alexander Isak was subbed in at 70th minute and there was no goal made after his substitution.

 

So he did not play since kick off and he did not play since previous goals, therefore the bet should be considered a void.

 

I talked to support about it and they tell me i am in the wrong, i would really like some more opinions about this since i belive that firstly the rules are totally shady written if you can interpret in different ways. in my example below i belive it's clear to see how i interpret it to be me being in the rights

 

Let's say im book up for a meeting a 3 PM,    i Show up at 3.30 pm.    so..   am i really there since 3 pm? or am i there since 3.30 pm?   To me its obvious. what do you guys think?.

Stake scamming plat 1 players with 500k wagered for 50usd. feels hella shady to me

[XeroF]

Yeah that rule is so shady... since previous goal. All I can say that on other books that would had been a void 100%. Stake really has the worst provider on the market, which is so wierd as they are so big... But guessing they have a good deal and dont want to change because of it.

[samsala27]

Exactly, all other sites void in these situations but i figured it out.  every other site offers both Under/Over on goals scored by a player, so thats why they void to not make the other part upset about results. But stake only offer over on player goals, which means that the 1.9 odds for a player is so hard in their favor if they judge it for anyone who jus ever played. play 5 min get injured, bet over. get subbed in 80th minute bet over.   In that way the odds they offer are not in any type of way fair since they dont void llike any other Over/under sportsbook better would do. I still demand my bet voided since by the rules i am correct in this one

[samsala27]

Is it even shady though? to me it's totally clear that Isak didnt play since kickoff or since previous goal was made, i dont really see how any moderator or support could possibly argue against it, when i talk to support about it they give me irrelevant answers just to like "players who play during the match will be counted as runners" which they dont have support for because that is not what the rules are saying

 

[Brzk]

Man, this rule is written wrong in my opinion. In fact Isak played and didnt scored, so you loose Your bet. But in the way that it is written, its in a shadow world that could be a void or not depending how you want to read it.

[samsala27]

Isak played, but not since kickoff or previous goals, therefore he should not be considered as a runner. Resulting in a void. there is litteraly no other way to see it+

 

[crynxc]

He played in the match. You lose lol

[samsala27]

He played in the match correctly. But he did not play "since kickoff or last goal was made". which is the rules that i am leaning back on, not anything else

 

[samsala27]

Still waiting for an official reply from stake + crypto gambling foundation where they are certified as fair odds provider. Will be fun to see where all of this ends, it's about time someone stops stake from scamming their players

[bitcoinmarko]

Well been betting sports since a decade now.

i get it the frustration after reading the rules.

however i have bet similar outcomes in the past on all kinds of books and this is what they do-

1 if you bet on anytime scorer and players plays even 1 min you lose. if he doesn’t score and win if he does.

2 if you bet first goalscorer than if player’s doesn’t start the game and comes in later than the bet is void even if match is 0-0 and he comes in at 70 min ans scores 1st goal they will still void it. 
 

thats how every book grades it.

however they have mixed up words in the rules so your case stands and they should compensate just for good gesture and because they have not stated the rules properly so its on them  

if amount is small stake should payup and correct the rules ! 
 

user- bitcoinmarko

 

[Gee5mnb]

It’s stating “or” not “and” since he played it’s resulting as a loss. Stake support is right here. So it’s either one of the options have to be green.

 

it’s known that a late sub in can fuck if you bet. It would even be a loss if he came in minute 90 +4 

tough loss, but that’s the risk 

[samsala27]

Exactly it is staying since kickoff or last goal. And he was not subbed in during any of the previous mentioned events, therefore the bet should be voided. The amount would have been just 50 usd, which is nothing compared to the 500.000 usd i've wagered the last 3 years. So a compensation for their bad written rules are a must. Because as the rules are written now Isak was not considered a runner

Also by being that way they are claiming the odds they are offering are very unfair, which is something that go against their crypto gambling foundation license. So stake is actually in the wrong for 2 different things in this scenario

[Gee5mnb]

12 minutes ago, samsala27 said:

Exactly it is staying since kickoff or last goal. And he was not subbed in during any of the previous mentioned events, therefore the bet should be voided. The amount would have been just 50 usd, which is nothing compared to the 500.000 usd i've wagered the last 3 years. So a compensation for their bad written rules are a must. Because as the rules are written now Isak was not considered a runner

Also by being that way they are claiming the odds they are offering are very unfair, which is something that go against their crypto gambling foundation license. So stake is actually in the wrong for 2 different things in this scenario

You got that wrong, since kickoff means any time SINCE kickoff, can be first minute or last minute. Idk if you are new to sports betting, but it’s common rule for anytime scorer, don’t try to misinterpret something which is easy to understand 

[samsala27]

Hello again, Ive been into sports betting for over 10 years and every time this has occurred the bet had been voided. Rules are obvious. It does not anytime since playoff it literally say sinces since playoff and since he did not play since kickoff in that sense the bet is voided. Follow my example below to understand that.    

 

A meeting is set up at 3 pm and you show up at 3.30 om. Have you been there since 3pm or since 3.30pm?  To me the answer is obvious

 

Especially when the rule states since playoff or last goal. If the case was anytime since kickoff the part stating "or last goal" is completely useless and serves no purpose. If the rules were written like "all players who play at any time during the game are considered as runners" there would be no questions asked.

 

But currently the rules are written in a way where he would be needed to play since kickoff or since last goal in the game was made.  Loud and clear "since kickoff or last goal"

[samsala27]

Lmao crypto gambling foundation contact details dont even exist. This just show the unprofessionality these companies are dealing with

[luu70]

non start = void, first time i've ever seen something like that

 

[sportfanaatje]

On 10/23/2023 at 1:39 PM, samsala27 said:

Still waiting for an official reply from stake + crypto gambling foundation where they are certified as fair odds provider. Will be fun to see where all of this ends, it's about time someone stops stake from scamming their players

for your information Stake started the Crypto Gambling Foundation