What is happening with Stake.com?

[jungl3]

1 hour ago, bicunbicun said:

I know that I play in a casino, and that money is lost in the casino, but here you can see from afar that in the last year something has changed drastically, it is impossible to deposit 100 times without at least once doubling the deposited amount I play in casinos with a license in Malta and these things do not happen

For sure. I feel the same way as you do and have had a similar experience. Fiat casinos might have used shitty tactics like 24h withdrawal delay during which time you can reverse it and lose the money, asking for proof of income, etc, but it was possible to win there. Luck seemed to be the #1 factor whereas it doesn't feel like luck is any part of the equation when playing at stake.

[yaga92]

Is there another reliable alternative ? also as simple and effective for withdrawal?

[Bunzharp]

18 hours ago, milkypancakes said:

Bro, you are a joke! Somebody throw this fool outta this forum😂😂😂

Are you suggesting we bounce him out by the ounce? Nice profile pic. A true classic.

12 hours ago, milkypancakes said:

This guy gonna start a revolution against stake🤣🤣🤣

Just to reference the original topic - classic casinos are much much harder to put together a case against. The thing about Stake is - it's large enough - it's affiliated with popular people - and it's online. It's literally there. You can reference every bet you made in this casino. So it doesn't even matter if they changed their code and took out all the intercoms with their api's by design of the casino itself - the evidence is immutable. But I'm starting to highly doubt that tbh. 

Hopefully they've actually built the endpoints on chain somehow. If not - then it was always a fraud to begin with. Good idea to get a copy of your historical bet data every week so that if data starts changing one day it can be referenced.

I've been dealing with a particularly unsettling situation myself. Check out my post to read more. Basically unverifiable vanishing bets that in total cost me 40 MATIC. I used my bet archive to verify this myself. I've triple checked the math in my formulas - results below. When I was dealing with their support staff and clicked on a bet in my bet history that came up as "bet not found" despite having a url on my bet history. -

 

At one point my IP was literally FIREWALLED from every stake related site for about 20 minutes before coming back up again. Once i was back online - I clicked through every bet I had that day and could NOT find the missing bet id one. If our bets are in fact referenced in some sort of cryptographic ledger (in house/physical or on chain) there is no way that bet can get deleted. But - they willingly hid all these bets and made sure I had nothing to send them in that session. Luckily I did my own calculations based on THE BET ARCHIVE THEY GAVE ME - and the discrepancy was clear as day - 340.2 total MATIC in (inclusive of bonuses & rakeback) 343 out that day, (all before I depod back in) and 383.4 - was the final total I got from a running total I made that started with the 340.2 MATIC IN total.

Now - the fact that those bets were nowhere to be found - doesn't just border suspicion - it's already within very red legal realm. The worst thing is - I spent 3 days trying to get support to help me. (providing all this data, etc) and they haven't moved a muscle. I even told them I was recording our interaction and they did not care. Didn't change their response 1 bit and acted in a way that was unfit for a legitimate business when addressing a valid complaint.

 

. 

 

Anyway I've already pushed all the compiled data I have to a few reg bodies and the BBB via their channel - But I have a friend who is legally-inclined and well connected in finance/auditing in NY and Vegas and I asked him if he knew anyone who'd be willing to look into it and he did.  I've gotten an update from 1, 3 letter A. Apparently The BBB has been getting lots of reports about crypto gambling recently and his friend was piqued when I sent him a screenshot of my spreadsheet. Guy is into crypto - so lucky me.

Anyway check out my post if you care to read more I've detailed everything in there. All spreadsheets are free to access too. And I got a file repo for anything you might have on hand.  

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/82460-stake-that-fof-with-3letter-in-us-eyes-on-data-next-week/#comment-1832818

Stake operating in very non-suspicious way, guys. I take it all back. I was just keeping it real at stake chat. And lookie what happened - 

Right after I messaged a Plat that responded. I recommended for them to keep their interactions with Stake under close watch. Record your sessions, download bet archives every day. That's all I said. And lookie what that got me. Now - when you have somebody levying a complaint against a business - Which of the choices between A and B would be the right thing for the business to do within reasonable and legal grounds?

A. Continue to ignore their complaint/problem, wait for them to step outside the door, and lock it? OR -

B. Get to the root of the issue, see what can be done to make amends and move forward and better for it.

That's right - it doesn't matter - cause they forgot to lock the other door anyway.

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA.

They didn't rate limit me on Stake forums so I was able to post SS right away. Also didn't block my mobile. They probably thought I was on wifi. I'm sure they wouldn't have kept it on for more than an hour really just like last time - but there is no reason at all in my mind to do that - to single out an IP for any other reason that other than trying to encourage me to step off. 

Rate limiting is done when your ip is making way to much requests to a certain website. How would Chatting 3 messages in 10 minutes warrant that EHHHH? 

They think I'm not serious but hopefully they are starting to get the idea.

[TheBulgarianWD]

2 hours ago, Bunzharp said:

Are you suggesting we bounce him out by the ounce? Nice profile pic. A true classic.

Just to reference the original topic - classic casinos are much much harder to put together a case against. The thing about Stake is - it's large enough - it's affiliated with popular people - and it's online. It's literally there. You can reference every bet you made in this casino. So it doesn't even matter if they changed their code and took out all the intercoms with their api's by design of the casino itself - the evidence is immutable. But I'm starting to highly doubt that tbh. 

Hopefully they've actually built the endpoints on chain somehow. If not - then it was always a fraud to begin with. Good idea to get a copy of your historical bet data every week so that if data starts changing one day it can be referenced.

I've been dealing with a particularly unsettling situation myself. Check out my post to read more. Basically unverifiable vanishing bets that in total cost me 40 MATIC. I used my bet archive to verify this myself. I've triple checked the math in my formulas - results below. When I was dealing with their support staff and clicked on a bet in my bet history that came up as "bet not found" despite having a url on my bet history. -

 

At one point my IP was literally FIREWALLED from every stake related site for about 20 minutes before coming back up again. Once i was back online - I clicked through every bet I had that day and could NOT find the missing bet id one. If our bets are in fact referenced in some sort of cryptographic ledger (in house/physical or on chain) there is no way that bet can get deleted. But - they willingly hid all these bets and made sure I had nothing to send them in that session. Luckily I did my own calculations based on THE BET ARCHIVE THEY GAVE ME - and the discrepancy was clear as day - 340.2 total MATIC in (inclusive of bonuses & rakeback) 343 out that day, (all before I depod back in) and 383.4 - was the final total I got from a running total I made that started with the 340.2 MATIC IN total.

Now - the fact that those bets were nowhere to be found - doesn't just border suspicion - it's already within very red legal realm. The worst thing is - I spent 3 days trying to get support to help me. (providing all this data, etc) and they haven't moved a muscle. I even told them I was recording our interaction and they did not care. Didn't change their response 1 bit and acted in a way that was unfit for a legitimate business when addressing a valid complaint.

 

. 

 

Anyway I've already pushed all the compiled data I have to a few reg bodies and the BBB via their channel - But I have a friend who is legally-inclined and well connected in finance/auditing in NY and Vegas and I asked him if he knew anyone who'd be willing to look into it and he did.  I've gotten an update from 1, 3 letter A. Apparently The BBB has been getting lots of reports about crypto gambling recently and his friend was piqued when I sent him a screenshot of my spreadsheet. Guy is into crypto - so lucky me.

Anyway check out my post if you care to read more I've detailed everything in there. All spreadsheets are free to access too. And I got a file repo for anything you might have on hand.  

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/82460-stake-that-fof-with-3letter-in-us-eyes-on-data-next-week/#comment-1832818

Stake operating in very non-suspicious way, guys. I take it all back. I was just keeping it real at stake chat. And lookie what happened - 

Right after I messaged a Plat that responded. I recommended for them to keep their interactions with Stake under close watch. Record your sessions, download bet archives every day. That's all I said. And lookie what that got me. Now - when you have somebody levying a complaint against a business - Which of the choices between A and B would be the right thing for the business to do within reasonable and legal grounds?

A. Continue to ignore their complaint/problem, wait for them to step outside the door, and lock it? OR -

B. Get to the root of the issue, see what can be done to make amends and move forward and better for it.

That's right - it doesn't matter - cause they forgot to lock the other door anyway.

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA.

They didn't rate limit me on Stake forums so I was able to post SS right away. Also didn't block my mobile. They probably thought I was on wifi. I'm sure they wouldn't have kept it on for more than an hour really just like last time - but there is no reason at all in my mind to do that - to single out an IP for any other reason that other than trying to encourage me to step off. 

Rate limiting is done when your ip is making way to much requests to a certain website. How would Chatting 3 messages in 10 minutes warrant that EHHHH? 

They think I'm not serious but hopefully they are starting to get the idea.

Tip my hat of to you not only for taking the time to investigate as much as possible but for your knowedge on the topic.

If you need anykind of help or something you cant do alone get in contact.

14 hours ago, milkypancakes said:

This guy gonna start a revolution against stake🤣🤣🤣

Nah you just have the amazing ability of talking but not saying anything of value which at this point is more entartaining then gambling on Stake.

[Panciwarteg]

Thanks for sharing

[bicunbicun]

23 hours ago, ifruit said:

I think you should only play with what you can afford to lose, and try to change the game from time to time and try to change the seeds too. you may have a better luck next time. best of luck 🍀

obviously I only play as much as I can afford to lose, but it's one thing to lose legally and have the games be random, and another is to have stolen and the games to be manipulated is a very big difference. I swear that since a year since with kick and F1 stake it became impossible to play

[ValmirCR17]

I never won anything

[Slitenjeger]

Have anyone ever thought about sending in a complaint to the Curaco Gaming Control Board? 
Oh yeah.. that’s right, can’t do that! At least not until “first half of 2024”. What a joke. That’s all I can say, it’s a complete and well thought through joke/scam. 
When I first joined Stake it was in the top 3 at all serious reviews platforms… If you take a look at AskGamblers right now, under casino reviews, Stake has fallen from top 2 to 159th(!) place. Is this just a mere coincidence with all the complaints posted on this forum EVERY day? Don’t think so. If you do, then you need professional help - and I can save you. 
 

There have been 3 separate occasions where I have started winning while playing slots, where the site suddenly reloads, and when I get back I start a loosing streak. There has also been 2 separate occasions where sort of the same thing happens. I start winning, and all of the sudden the game freezes and makes me reload, only to find that the game isn’t available when i have reloaded the page. When the game, after 10-15 minutes, opens up again - same thing, I start a loosing streak. It’s just out there, plain as the day is bright. They don’t even try to hide it, and what are we to do? Nothing, because the commission that holds the license doesn’t take complaints. It’s laughable, sad and pretty frustrating.