Blueprint: How to loose customers faster then ever

[Slitenjeger]

Hey again!

Just collecting more data to show and prove, that the slots at Stake are manipulated. If they are manipulated in favor of the streamers, or if they simply just have different RTP settings for low-/medium-rollers, I don't know. But they cannot hide anymore, from the fact that the slots are indeed manipulated in some kind of way. This isn't my first rodeo, just more data to add to the big picture.

Before you give me any BS about variance and "Oh everybody has bad days and good days", the data I've collected shows otherwise, and if you want to argue with anyone, then do it with the statistics from the data. 

Did 39 bonus buys on gates today, and to sum it up: 

• 4 Wins (Highest: x1,74 Lowest: x1,05)
• 35 Losses (Over 62% of the buys were under x0,50)

LTC wagered = 22.4939996 LTC "won"= 11.577037 

THIS EQUALS AN RTP OF 51,4% !! - Now, where on earth do you see numbers like these, other than at Stake? Please tell me, I'd really like to know.

There has been an overflood of people talking about how shit they think the RTP at Stake is. And this hasn't been going on for just a few days, these posts get posted all the time, and there is plenty of data to back it up. It is NOT okay to advertise a game, in my case with 96,5% RTP, when it's not even remotely close to that.

I'm pretty sure that you'll find some paragraphs on this under the "Curacao Licence Regulations"😉 I'll sure have a look...

 

 

 (I also threw in some "Daily Stake Live Support Fun" for you at the end of the post. You know, just to show you that Stake still LOVES to deceive their customers💗)

[apox1337]

Pragmatic's bonus buys on Stake are in a different league 🤮. Curacao license, haha, they'll just laugh and nothing more.

Not even close to comparing with licenses like MGA, etc

[Adumbobi]

Anyone who defends stake at this point is a bot imo. It’s literally impossible to profit on anything aside from sports bets nowadays. Ive been here for 3 years 

[Slitenjeger]

Forgot the "Daily Support Live Fun" !! Here we are, misleading, misinforming, and deceiving as always. Do not trust the statistics you get sent by mail and don't even get me started on the "profit" section, they are lying to you openly and you've lost way more than they tell you...

14 minutes ago, apox1337 said:

Pragmatic's bonus buys on Stake are in a different league 🤮. Curacao license, haha, they'll just laugh and nothing more.

Not even close to comparing with licenses like MGA, etc

Yeah it is.. how they keep attracting new customers is a huge question to me

11 minutes ago, Adumbobi said:

Anyone who defends stake at this point is a bot imo. It’s literally impossible to profit on anything aside from sports bets nowadays. Ive been here for 3 years 

Yeah i've seen some of them... it's straight up criminal what they do. How they keep telling new customers that "everybody has good and bad days, your day will come soon", that's illegal marketing.

[AdamBetsMax]

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THIS EQUALS AN RTP OF 51,4% !! - Now, where on earth do you see numbers like these, other than at Stake? Please tell me, I'd really like to know.

OK THIS IS EXPECTED! 

Remember, 96% RTP includes max wins, so unless you have a max win, you cannot expect anywhere close to 96%.   50% to 60% RTP is more what is expected if you didn't hit MASSIVE.

[milkypancakes]

The house always and will always win. Gamble for entertainment!

[Slitenjeger]

Just out here, gathering more data💗

 

As it turns out, Gates was having a REALLY magnificent day today!😍 (At my cost...)

RTP This session was a STAGGERING 43,6% !!😍 And the shitshow continues...

 

Just gonna document every session from now on, and make myself a nice lil' spreadsheet🤓

[TrixXz]

Buddy stop, everyone making posts about not bein close to 96 rtp are morons.... You do a couple of buys and u didnt hit big so yea lower then 96 rtp... Do you make the same post when your max win hits on 3th buy that its impossible, you now have 7000 rtp?

[mylo]

Yeah honestly I feel your pain about the bonus buys, but THIS is not proof. RTP% does not reflect the casino's relationship with you as an individual customer. It is reflective of the customers as a whole group(including the high rollers/ streamers), and it is calculated over millions of bets 

Think about how much one streamer might win if they get a max win with their ridiculous bet sizes. There's your RTP.

I'm not saying that you didn't get a raw deal, you totally did. But once you realized you were on a losing streak, did you do anything to change the things you could control?(ie. Alter bet size, log out log in again, switch games for a minute etc).. that isn't the point, but it is something to consider. Listen, I've been losing a bunch lately too, so If you are able to gather some statistically significant data, proving your thesis, I will be supportive af, but unfortunately, this isn't it. Hope things go better soon. For you and I both.

[Adumbobi]

I can’t win on this website anymore 

[therabbithole]

5 hours ago, mylo said:

I'm not saying that you didn't get a raw deal, you totally did. But once you realized you were on a losing streak, did you do anything to change the things you could control?(ie. Alter bet size, log out log in again, switch games for a minute etc).. that isn't the point, but it is something to consider.

Every spin or buy supposedly has the same chance to win (or not as is the case most of the time). What effect would logging in and out have on their luck? Which is it - the slots are fair and as described to us or manipulated in such a way that doing the things you suggest would make a difference?

[Slitenjeger]

8 hours ago, mylo said:

Yeah honestly I feel your pain about the bonus buys, but THIS is not proof. RTP% does not reflect the casino's relationship with you as an individual customer. It is reflective of the customers as a whole group(including the high rollers/ streamers), and it is calculated over millions of bets 

Think about how much one streamer might win if they get a max win with their ridiculous bet sizes. There's your RTP.

I'm not saying that you didn't get a raw deal, you totally did. But once you realized you were on a losing streak, did you do anything to change the things you could control?(ie. Alter bet size, log out log in again, switch games for a minute etc).. that isn't the point, but it is something to consider. Listen, I've been losing a bunch lately too, so If you are able to gather some statistically significant data, proving your thesis, I will be supportive af, but unfortunately, this isn't it. Hope things go better soon. For you and I both.

I am, gathering that data! This isn’t even close to all the data I’ve gathered, but I feel like I still haven’t gotten enough.

About changing seeds, it really shouldn’t have the impact you are suggesting, because of the fact stated above, every spin is randomized and have the same chances of win/lose.
But yeah, I’ve thought like you many times and I have tried that too. Using different internet connections, logging in and out, refreshing the browser, using an entirely different internet browser etc etc. It does not matter. I have also tried waiting for many days, before coming back. I’ve tried switching between slots for a short period of time before coming back to the slot I always play (which is Gates). I have tried changing bet sizes, frequency, switching between buys and spins… it’s all the same. 

When I’ve gathered enough data, I’ll let you and the community know. This post is just to prove a point as of now, so that new players might rethink which online casino they use. 
It’s a costly thing to do, but fortunately I make a lot more from cryptocurrency than I lose at this horrible casino.

One would think “why don’t you just stop and leave the casino then?”… when people, or in this case a casino, treats me like shit… well, congratulations! You’ve made it personal. 
Maybe my thesis won’t have the impact on Stake that I think it will, which is some kind of court ruling, but at least I’ve tried.

And maybe it’s silly thinking like this, and maybe most people will just laugh at it, but I’m all about fairness and justice in the world, that’s just who I am. 

[mylo]

21 hours ago, therabbithole said:

Every spin or buy supposedly has the same chance to win (or not as is the case most of the time). What effect would logging in and out have on their luck? Which is it - the slots are fair and as described to us or manipulated in such a way that doing the things you suggest would make a difference?

I never said it was fair. I only said that, the evidence provided wasn't sufficient proof.  Those are just things you could change IF anything you could do would change the outcome. Call it a superstition. I don't have the answers, although I do know from experience that continuing to bet exactly the same way, when on a losing streak is a fast way to rip your bankroll.  Maybe that does make it manipulated but there are a lot of unknown factors. Maybe it's time based, maybe the seed is important, maybe is allll a big skem. We just don't know. I know I have winning streaks and losing streaks. 

18 hours ago, Slitenjeger said:

I am, gathering that data! This isn’t even close to all the data I’ve gathered, but I feel like I still haven’t gotten enough.

About changing seeds, it really shouldn’t have the impact you are suggesting, because of the fact stated above, every spin is randomized and have the same chances of win/lose.
But yeah, I’ve thought like you many times and I have tried that too. Using different internet connections, logging in and out, refreshing the browser, using an entirely different internet browser etc etc. It does not matter. I have also tried waiting for many days, before coming back. I’ve tried switching between slots for a short period of time before coming back to the slot I always play (which is Gates). I have tried changing bet sizes, frequency, switching between buys and spins… it’s all the same. 

When I’ve gathered enough data, I’ll let you and the community know. This post is just to prove a point as of now, so that new players might rethink which online casino they use. 
It’s a costly thing to do, but fortunately I make a lot more from cryptocurrency than I lose at this horrible casino.

One would think “why don’t you just stop and leave the casino then?”… when people, or in this case a casino, treats me like shit… well, congratulations! You’ve made it personal. 
Maybe my thesis won’t have the impact on Stake that I think it will, which is some kind of court ruling, but at least I’ve tried.

And maybe it’s silly thinking like this, and maybe most people will just laugh at it, but I’m all about fairness and justice in the world, that’s just who I am. 

Well I love the hell out of your motives then. Keep fighting the good fight.  

... How do you make tons of money with crypto if you don't mind me asking? I am far worse at that than I am at gambling haha 

[Slitenjeger]

On 1/29/2024 at 4:10 AM, mylo said:

 Well I love the hell out of your motives then. Keep fighting the good fight.  

... How do you make tons of money with crypto if you don't mind me asking? I am far worse at that than I am at gambling haha 

Thank you! And yes, I will. 
 

To be honest, it’s just about gathering information. Information is the key to everything actually. Almost like I’m doing here in this case, gathering information to make/take the best informed decision you possibly can.

Reading is 80-90% of the work. Placing the actual money and taking profits is just a small % of it all. Depending on what type of investment strategy you’re following, and how you spread your portfolio, it’s all the same. If you have enough information, then the likelihood of success is close to 100%. 
That being said, it’s like a full time job, or even more so. I read around 10-12 hours daily.

12 hours over several days when I want to find a new project where I want to invest big, and 10 hours when I want to degen a little with Solana shittcoins and scalping profits. The latter is actually close to gambling these days, but I have made way more profits doing that than playing at Stake😂

[dawid-m]

That's rigged... No way there are no wins on so many buys... 

[realbaaam]

watch streamer buy and rtip/radio ... its an deep understatement to say clear fraud of individual users vs. pumped up screen-time-escorts.... 

[fabinhoshow]

sooo bad guys 

[kunbear]

On 1/26/2024 at 2:11 PM, milkypancakes said:

The house always and will always win. Gamble for entertainment!

This is the point, strongly agree. 

[Slitenjeger]

So @mylo @dawid-m, without uploading hundreds of thousands of screenshots from the past days/weeks, it doesn’t get any clearer than this: 

(Just look at the wager I was able to get for LESS money spent last year, compared to what I am able to get now. The difference is just disgusting! If anybody says that this isn’t rigged, they are being paid…) 

Last year:

Now:

[CapitalLetterM]

Brooo... RTP is just a theory. If you want to beat it you have to play Billions of spins just to be able to get that RTP value. Well that is if you could spin a slot for over a thousand years. Which is impossible.

 

This is designed for the house to always win in the long run.

[ulululu]

Isn't RTP calculated with "perfect play"? whatever that might tell us

[Slitenjeger]

9 minutes ago, CapitalLetterM said:

Brooo... RTP is just a theory. If you want to beat it you have to play Billions of spins just to be able to get that RTP value. Well that is if you could spin a slot for over a thousand years. Which is impossible.

 

This is designed for the house to always win in the long run.

Never said I didn’t get that concept😊

But there is a huge difference in playing at a casino that’s rigged, compared to a casino that’s not! In terms of how fast your money gets ripped and how much fun you’ll be able to have in said casino. 
 

That’s really my point here, they take away the fun. And when they say “only play for fun”… well, that’s hard to do when they drastically cut that fun down to about 20-30% of what you would have at another casino. 
Jus trying to warn newcomers before they get involved with this casino😊

[javierfg]

35 minutes ago, Slitenjeger said:

Nunca dije que no entendía ese concepto 😊

¡Pero hay una gran diferencia entre jugar en un casino manipulado y en un casino que no lo está! En términos de qué tan rápido se roba tu dinero y cuánta diversión podrás tener en dicho casino. 
 

Ese es realmente mi punto aquí, me quitan la diversión. Y cuando dicen “juega sólo por diversión”… bueno, eso es difícil de hacer cuando reducen drásticamente esa diversión a alrededor del 20-30% de lo que tendrías en otro casino. 
Solo intento advertir a los recién llegados antes de involucrarse en este casino 😊

a casino does not need to manipulate anything, since in the nature of the games the house always has positive mathematical expectation

[v1rtu0s]

Don't do Bonus Buys. You're essentially spinning Slots with 20$ (or more) per Spin, which is insane unless you have a massive stack (several 1000s). 

The chances for big Hits on Slots are really really small (we're talking around 0.01% for anything over 1kx - depends on the slot), so you're best advised doing as many spins as possible (for a realistic chance on a big multiplier).

Doing Bonus Buys is exactly the opposite - it's betting high and praying that you find something real fast, which more often than not, fails miserably. Don't do it.

[CapitalLetterM]

38 minutes ago, Slitenjeger said:

Never said I didn’t get that concept😊

But there is a huge difference in playing at a casino that’s rigged, compared to a casino that’s not! In terms of how fast your money gets ripped and how much fun you’ll be able to have in said casino. 
 

That’s really my point here, they take away the fun. And when they say “only play for fun”… well, that’s hard to do when they drastically cut that fun down to about 20-30% of what you would have at another casino. 
Jus trying to warn newcomers before they get involved with this casino😊

Well yeah.. I get your point and I'm with you with this. It's kinda frustrating if we cannot enjoy our money.