Eddie's "Democracy" Vote to Change Drops Was Not Democracy

[jacksonova]

In a democracy, rulings are made according to the will of the majority. That means that a stream vote proposing changes, regardless of the fact that it consists of viewers from all over the world with no restrictions on who can cast a vote deciding the fate of drops for users on StakeUS, would've needed a 66% vote to successfully pass.

Eddie chose to make the change based on a vote of roughly 55%* yes to 45% no, which is not a majority vote.

While I won't comment on the change itself, it's not at all a proper representation of being a democracy nor should it be claimed as being "fair" because it's a "decision from StakeUS users" when it was possible for non-stakeUS users to cast a vote.

 

* the 55% to 45% was observed shortly before the poll ended and may not be accurate to the end result, but was roughly 492 to 401 at the time of viewing

[Ornietv]

90% of the voters are eastern aasian farmers dear

[grunsher]

3 minutes ago, Ornietv said:

90% of the voters are eastern aasian farmers dear

More likely 99% with 100s of alts. 

 

7 minutes ago, jacksonova said:

In a democracy, rulings are made according to the will of the majority. That means that a stream vote proposing changes, regardless of the fact that it consists of viewers from all over the world with no restrictions on who can cast a vote deciding the fate of drops for users on StakeUS, would've needed a 66% vote to successfully pass.

Eddie chose to make the change based on a vote of roughly 55%* yes to 45% no, which is not a majority vote.

While I won't comment on the change itself, it's not at all a proper representation of being a democracy nor should it be claimed as being "fair" because it's a "decision from StakeUS users" when it was possible for non-stakeUS users to cast a vote.

 

* the 55% to 45% was observed shortly before the poll ended and may not be accurate to the end result, but was roughly 492 to 401 at the time of viewing

So you say the us vote for us presidency is not democratic? 😂 

Check the numbers. Several presidents won who didn't get the majority of the votes:)

[jacksonova]

53 minutes ago, grunsher said:

So you say the us vote for us presidency is not democratic? 😂 

Check the numbers. Several presidents won who didn't get the majority of the votes:)

You obviously don't know how the vote for presidency works. A majority vote by the electoral college is required to elect the President. General election votes by people just tells the state's electors which candidate they want their electors to vote for. Most states utilize a winner-takes-all system, that awards all of that state's electoral votes to the Presidential candidate who wins the State's popular vote, but there are a couple of states that use a proportional representation variation. 

Regardless, that's how the general votes can make it appear as if it's not the majority vote, but you have to look at electoral votes.

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In response to Eddie's decision to reverse the change...this thread can be deleted.

Thank you to whoever spoke up with Eddie about the issue.

[grunsher]

1 hour ago, Ornietv said:

90% of the voters are eastern aasian farmers dear

More likely 99% with 100s of alts. 

 

1 hour ago, jacksonova said:

In a democracy, rulings are made according to the will of the majority. That means that a stream vote proposing changes, regardless of the fact that it consists of viewers from all over the world with no restrictions on who can cast a vote deciding the fate of drops for users on StakeUS, would've needed a 66% vote to successfully pass.

Eddie chose to make the change based on a vote of roughly 55%* yes to 45% no, which is not a majority vote.

While I won't comment on the change itself, it's not at all a proper representation of being a democracy nor should it be claimed as being "fair" because it's a "decision from StakeUS users" when it was possible for non-stakeUS users to cast a vote.

 

* the 55% to 45% was observed shortly before the poll ended and may not be accurate to the end result, but was roughly 492 to 401 at the time of viewing

 

 

Hahahah I know exactly how it works. It doesn't "appear" to look like it's not the majority it's not the majority of the votes! The electoral college is just a way to scam via gerrymandering. 

 

 

[phurexs]

its fine now

[jacksonova]

3 minutes ago, grunsher said:

 

Hahahah I know exactly how it works. It doesn't "appear" to look like it's not the majority it's not the majority of the votes! The electoral college is just a way to scam via gerrymandering. 

 

I concede to your point that it's not the majority vote of the population per se (noting the times a presidential candidate who won the majority or plurality of popular votes nationwide but still lost because of the electoral college votes as seen in 1824, 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016) . But as you've pointed out, if there was a requirement for a majority vote in general elections, some states would continually result in a stale mate, hence the ratification of the 12th amendment (which must be proposed by a two-thirds majority in both houses of congress and ratified by another majority, three-fourths of states), the expansion of voting rights, substantially changed the original process set by the Constitution which originally had election of the President be by a popular vote of qualified citizens.

As for gerrymandering, that may have been true in the past, but statistical analysis shows that state-level reforms, big data, and state court rulings ended gerrymandering’s grip on the partisan makeup of Congress in the last three elections.

[NJC]

I'm happy the decision was reverted to the original parameters. My only concern was the inability to verify that only .US players were voting in the poll. In spite of Eddie's insistence on having only .US players vote, it was quite obvious that his request would not prevent .COM users from voting. If this were to be the poll that changed the parameters for .US bonus drops for good, it would not have been a very good decision especially when suggesting the process would be "democratic" and chosen only by the ones impacted by any change. I understand it was a spur of the moment situation and the only decent means of measuring the chat's opinion was to utilize Kick's polling feature. 

[jacksonova]

On 3/16/2024 at 9:43 AM, NJC said:

the inability to verify that only .US players were voting in the poll. In spite of Eddie's insistence on having only .US players vote, it was quite obvious that his request would not prevent .COM users from voting.

Right, and the fact that StakeUS had somewhere between 6,500 to 7,000 users online around the time of the poll, it would've been such a misrepresentation to say that the roughly 893 voters were acting on behalf of the other 5k+ that either didn't vote, couldn't vote, or didn't know about the vote.

I recognize though that the decision ultimately was Eddie's to make, if it was something he actually wanted and/or that he believed would benefit the site's operations then I would've been fine if he had simply announced the change rather than try to make it come off as a change decided ostensibly by the community

 

On 3/16/2024 at 9:43 AM, NJC said:

If this were to be the poll that changed the parameters for .US bonus drops for good, it would not have been a very good decision especially when suggesting the process would be "democratic" and chosen only by the ones impacted by any change.

Yea, I was pretty upset but I'd say he regained my respect after deciding to revert the change, even if it still claimed I didn't have enough playthrough after allegedly reverting back. This was in spite of having been able to redeem the one just before the change had happened that had a wager requirement of $9,983 on .com. So even though there were later drops with lower wager requirements, I still couldn't get anything after, including the epic $50 drop. At least what felt wrong, was made right, and things are back to the way they were, for now.

 

[stuckmojo]

So wouldn't that mean you would benefit from more claims to be had

[Xylber]

Eddie wanted to make the vote to have some fun. Don't take it too seriously.

If you want true democracy, ask your government to represent you.