Forum spam+withdraw again and again and again abuse? Limits good idea?

Shaniqua · December 1, 2018

someone in the chat proposed a way to combat "spam" abuse that is in their view going on... I dont think there is an issue, at least, since I dont partake in any spam and forum santoshi abuse, it isnt clear to me .. But obviously in the eyes of some people in chat they think abuse is going on (when they see me withdraw from forum a few times in the course of 20 minutes or so... I mean i understand, it gets to be pretty "wtf" like and its an automatic response to think that the person doing it is spamming.. well im sure that there are cases which that is true... However its not for all cases...

So perhaps a smart limit can be set so that new comers that are just starting to get the hang of forum posting and the santoshi for post idea do not get too over excited and post for santoshi and withdraw after every post. So a smart way to do it would be maybe, limit to 1 or 3 per hour for new people or and as #of psts someone has goes up then it should be more leaneant, as i think with more experience in forum will someone more room and trust to be have the freedom to make multiple withdraws one after the other... as some people kind of use the forum as a bank as well, and withdraw 5k or 2k at a time and try not to bust, and that wouldn't be fair to those people, if there was a low limit of withdrawals available that was the same for all.. thats why i suggest a smart thought out system

either way, i personally dont think its a problem, as the spammers would kind of get weeded out anyway... as in, they will be discovered after few spams and account locked or something or forum privileges suspended.
That is why i think its a non-issue

but since i see so many accusations ... passive accusations of spam abuse forum abuse etc... i feel i should post this thought while the ball hasnt been dropped and a weird restriction having been placed on all the forum active members who withdraw frequently.

i also suggest for this specific topic, pay attention to the number of posts someone has when they reply to it. Im curioous what its gonna look like.. will people with more posts react against limits or will the people with low # of overall posts react to have no limit. everyone has a voice here of course, but those with more experience, for this topic at least, i think... should have more weight.

so.... what do you say

Kate · December 1, 2018

Limiting newbies to not to post for over an hour is kind of actually like jailing a bird. They are given a time limit of 3 minutes or 4 i guess. Also newbies don't start earning right away they go through an evaluation period some might start earning from the start due to their posts being good some might start after a certain number of posts.

MiracleRolling · December 1, 2018

This situation after pay for forum increasing, and i think it is normal and have control by our moderators, admins. So don't worry about that, their purpose is increasing the quality of our community.

Shaniqua · December 1, 2018

23 minutes ago, Kate said:

Limiting newbies to not to post for over an hour is kind of actually like jailing a bird. They are given a time limit of 3 minutes or 4 i guess. Also newbies don't start earning right away they go through an evaluation period some might start earning from the start due to their posts being good some might start after a certain number of posts.

nio no you have me wrong... i am not saying they should not be able to earn santoshi... but im saying possibly only limiting they withdraw times, as in.. forum tipped "user" as in transfer to game from the forum..
that is what i was trying to say.
even tho then, i dont think it is needed cause forum mods can weed out and discipline abusers.

Kate · December 1, 2018

Just now, Shaniqua said:

nio no you have me wrong... i am not saying they should not be able to earn santoshi... but im saying possibly only limiting they withdraw times, as in.. forum tipped "user" as in transfer to game from the forum..
that is what i was trying to say.
even tho then, i dont think it is needed cause forum mods can weed out and discipline abusers.

Well main purpose for forum is to pay the user for their contribution so that they can play with that Satoshi in Stake. There would be no meaning for putting a limit on the withdrawal times also they go through an evaluation period to earn Satoshi so it's not a big problem if they withdraw so many times. Limiting new people in the site will ruin the reputation and the first impression to them and thus bad feedback .

Shaniqua · December 1, 2018

2 minutes ago, blurrijs said:

Instead they should just add an option so you can get the tip privately so other people who are in chat don't have to see that they got a tip from forum, so there wouldn't be some beggars in chat aswell wondering why forum gave them satoshi. Anyways There shouldn't be a limit to how much someone could withdraw to stake from the forum. Thats what pay per post is meant for so you can get some satoshi to play with, and if you lose what you withdrew then you go back on the forums and try to get some more to withdraw and play again with.

ive thought about the private tip as well.. idk why i think they want it to be seen as kind of advertisment for the forum which kind of makes sense.. it will draw people to the forum and asking about what that is etc etc
which i guess is a great thing

Kate · December 1, 2018

21 minutes ago, blurrijs said:

Instead they should just add an option so you can get the tip privately so other people who are in chat don't have to see that they got a tip from forum, so there wouldn't be some beggars in chat aswell wondering why forum gave them satoshi.

I swear it annoys me a lot on why they don't make an option to tip privately due to beggars then they add and ask for loans it annoys a lot.

Also there is no way that you can limit newbies since as I said the impression is a very big thing for a bug site like Stake.

EddieFx · December 1, 2018

Why should noobies be limited? They bring as much attension to the forum as we do? There’s no good reason to do so

Shaniqua · December 1, 2018

28 minutes ago, Kate said:

I swear it annoys me a lot on why they don't make an option to tip privately due to beggars then they add and ask for loans it annoys a lot.

Also there is no way that you can limit newbies since as I said the impression is a very big thing for a bug site like Stake.

lol thats so true... but then again, i dont really add anyone i dont know anymore... so its just a silly popup thing notification that comes up just for a sec....
so its not the end of the worlds lol.
kek ho away!

gougou · December 1, 2018

i cant understand why you do that all the time?does this works with luck or its only for playing games???

Etude · December 1, 2018

No. I do not support for a withdrawal limit of forum satoshi transfers to be approved.

nuuuitsjdragon · December 1, 2018

2 hours ago, Shaniqua said:

someone in the chat proposed a way to combat "spam" abuse that is in their view going on... I dont think there is an issue, at least, since I dont partake in any spam and forum santoshi abuse, it isnt clear to me .. But obviously in the eyes of some people in chat they think abuse is going on (when they see me withdraw from forum a few times in the course of 20 minutes or so... I mean i understand, it gets to be pretty "wtf" like and its an automatic response to think that the person doing it is spamming.. well im sure that there are cases which that is true... However its not for all cases...

So perhaps a smart limit can be set so that new comers that are just starting to get the hang of forum posting and the santoshi for post idea do not get too over excited and post for santoshi and withdraw after every post. So a smart way to do it would be maybe, limit to 1 or 3 per hour for new people or and as #of psts someone has goes up then it should be more leaneant, as i think with more experience in forum will someone more room and trust to be have the freedom to make multiple withdraws one after the other... as some people kind of use the forum as a bank as well, and withdraw 5k or 2k at a time and try not to bust, and that wouldn't be fair to those people, if there was a low limit of withdrawals available that was the same for all.. thats why i suggest a smart thought out system

either way, i personally dont think its a problem, as the spammers would kind of get weeded out anyway... as in, they will be discovered after few spams and account locked or something or forum privileges suspended.
That is why i think its a non-issue

but since i see so many accusations ... passive accusations of spam abuse forum abuse etc... i feel i should post this thought while the ball hasnt been dropped and a weird restriction having been placed on all the forum active members who withdraw frequently.

i also suggest for this specific topic, pay attention to the number of posts someone has when they reply to it. Im curioous what its gonna look like.. will people with more posts react against limits or will the people with low # of overall posts react to have no limit. everyone has a voice here of course, but those with more experience, for this topic at least, i think... should have more weight.

so.... what do you say

After carefully reading through your post, i realised it was written with little prior planning on content structure. To be clear, most times this isn’t nearly-enough fuel for retort.

However, due to the now-possibility of rewards being nerfed because of your major contributions & highlight on the issue, I just couldn’t let it slide.

Putting your silliness aside, I believe thread starters are askew to role models in a forum setting which inevitably gives them responsibility in determining the generic quality and flow of the topics.

By starting this thread which is directly related to spam accusation, have you first considered how it is ironically a perfect 101 on how to abuse forum rewards. Your posting style is lacklustre and little effort can be observed on your desire to create engaging content. The entire passage was confusing, with weak sentence structures and littered with open-ended opinions. You even had it lightly peppered with spelling errors and non-punctuation.

In summary, the whole Wall-of-text did not communicate your point and had no purpose save for increasing word count (we all know that don’t we) for higher levels of satoshi gain.

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P.S. You need to look past your fogged lenses as I can clearly see why you would be accused of spamming. Explain to me how otherwise can someone withdraw at your level of speed if they even halted to think? For comparison, posting this alone took me at least a half-hour and yet you are able to withdraw a few times in the short span of 20 minutes. Case closed.

williamshennie9 · December 1, 2018

I personally think the forum withdrawal limit should be increased to at least 10k satoshis. The reason the forum tips are made public is to create awareness and promote the forum, so I think it being public is okay. But you get people that made 50 withdrawals or more per day of 2k sats, which honestly is just spam for the chat. I think 10k sats is a more appropriate withdrawal limit

elyxdelrey · December 1, 2018

I don't see the reason behind limiting withdrawals for any user and even if there's such an implementation is there any legit or specific reason the limit should be put on the new users? I would have thought putting the limit on users who are actually spamming or abusing or are repeating offenders make better sense...

That aside, I'm actually a little confused about the situation. From what I understood it started out with people mistaking your withdrawals in short time span as spam/abuse; however you don't think spam/abuse is an issue, and if there are such users, mods will weed them out anyway... But just in case... the solution is to put a withdrawal limit on new users??

Can't exactly be sure but I think the reason given was that more trust is given to experienced long-time users so they will be able to withdraw more frequently without being accused but I thought the exact same thing just happened to you...

I don't know...

By the way how many satoshis did you earn from starting this thread?

Snike · December 1, 2018

I think they should just make the forum bot's tips private... No one is bothered by it if they're not seen in chat anymore. That would also solve the "wtfs" in chat

Shaniqua · December 10, 2018

On 12/1/2018 at 1:16 PM, Snike said:

I think they should just make the forum bot's tips private... No one is bothered by it if they're not seen in chat anymore. That would also solve the "wtfs" in chat

like dan has said in many posts and threads,
that will never happen as the public tips are for forum site attention, as in to draw new users in.

neich · December 10, 2018

I saw u 5 times in 2 mins in chat. I mean... how?! XD

KiXxnTRiXx · December 10, 2018

I think there limit they have now is okay, i tend to come on the forum when im at 0 balance, which often happens nowadays.. maybe higher pay and limit?

Mikehoncho · December 14, 2018

On 12/1/2018 at 3:12 AM, Shaniqua said:

someone in the chat proposed a way to combat "spam" abuse that is in their view going on... I dont think there is an issue, at least, since I dont partake in any spam and forum santoshi abuse, it isnt clear to me .. But obviously in the eyes of some people in chat they think abuse is going on (when they see me withdraw from forum a few times in the course of 20 minutes or so... I mean i understand, it gets to be pretty "wtf" like and its an automatic response to think that the person doing it is spamming.. well im sure that there are cases which that is true... However its not for all cases...

So perhaps a smart limit can be set so that new comers that are just starting to get the hang of forum posting and the santoshi for post idea do not get too over excited and post for santoshi and withdraw after every post. So a smart way to do it would be maybe, limit to 1 or 3 per hour for new people or and as #of psts someone has goes up then it should be more leaneant, as i think with more experience in forum will someone more room and trust to be have the freedom to make multiple withdraws one after the other... as some people kind of use the forum as a bank as well, and withdraw 5k or 2k at a time and try not to bust, and that wouldn't be fair to those people, if there was a low limit of withdrawals available that was the same for all.. thats why i suggest a smart thought out system

either way, i personally dont think its a problem, as the spammers would kind of get weeded out anyway... as in, they will be discovered after few spams and account locked or something or forum privileges suspended.
That is why i think its a non-issue

but since i see so many accusations ... passive accusations of spam abuse forum abuse etc... i feel i should post this thought while the ball hasnt been dropped and a weird restriction having been placed on all the forum active members who withdraw frequently.

i also suggest for this specific topic, pay attention to the number of posts someone has when they reply to it. Im curioous what its gonna look like.. will people with more posts react against limits or will the people with low # of overall posts react to have no limit. everyone has a voice here of course, but those with more experience, for this topic at least, i think... should have more weight.

so.... what do you say

I have actually been pondering this for a few weeks now. It isn't because of chat spam. For me it is the same threads reworded rehashed incessantly. Then, it seems like only a few people actually read the other posts in the thread, because again, the same response comes up multiple times in the same thread. I'm not saying that people can't have the same opinion, but case in point, these four posts are literally all the exact same. They're all explaining why the tips are public. Also notice the posters repeated their post TWICE in the same thread. The posts follow the exact same train of thought.

On 12/1/2018 at 3:57 AM, Shaniqua said:

ive thought about the private tip as well.. idk why i think they want it to be seen as kind of advertisment for the forum which kind of makes sense.. it will draw people to the forum and asking about what that is etc etc
which i guess is a great thing

On 12/1/2018 at 3:58 AM, blurrijs said:

yes, and thats why i think they haven't added it yet so more people can come in the forum and also get pay-per-post which will make the forums more active and is better for them

No longer thinking, both people suddenly remember that Dan has given the reason before.

On 12/10/2018 at 1:34 AM, Shaniqua said:

like dan has said in many posts and threads,
that will never happen as the public tips are for forum site attention, as in to draw new users in.

On 12/10/2018 at 2:13 PM, blurrijs said:

Yeah. and it also makes alot of beggars appear in chat saying 'forum give me tip' or something They should add private tip when withdrawing from forum, but Dan said it's probably never going to come because it's making alot of more new users come to the forum and making the stake forums even more active

If this doesn't demonstrate the definition of spam, I don't know what does.

On 12/1/2018 at 5:15 AM, nuuuitsjdragon said:

After carefully reading through your post, i realised it was written with little prior planning on content structure. To be clear, most times this isn’t nearly-enough fuel for retort.

However, due to the now-possibility of rewards being nerfed because of your major contributions & highlight on the issue, I just couldn’t let it slide.

Putting your silliness aside, I believe thread starters are askew to role models in a forum setting which inevitably gives them responsibility in determining the generic quality and flow of the topics.

By starting this thread which is directly related to spam accusation, have you first considered how it is ironically a perfect 101 on how to abuse forum rewards. Your posting style is lacklustre and little effort can be observed on your desire to create engaging content. The entire passage was confusing, with weak sentence structures and littered with open-ended opinions. You even had it lightly peppered with spelling errors and non-punctuation.

In summary, the whole Wall-of-text did not communicate your point and had no purpose save for increasing word count (we all know that don’t we) for higher levels of satoshi gain.

- - - - - - - - - -

P.S. You need to look past your fogged lenses as I can clearly see why you would be accused of spamming. Explain to me how otherwise can someone withdraw at your level of speed if they even halted to think? For comparison, posting this alone took me at least a half-hour and yet you are able to withdraw a few times in the short span of 20 minutes. Case closed.

While my post may not be as eloquently composed as Nuuuitsjdragon's, they are absolutely correct. The fact that I have to re-read your post more than once is a problem. Topics should be clear to the reader so that when they decide to post, they can do so without misunderstanding the topics original point completely.

I think the number of withdraws should be limited to once a day. On top of that, I believe the rewards should be held for a set amount of time before the user is even able to withdraw. Alternatively, instead of the time limit, the team could promote certain Active and Responsible users to be the janitors of the forum. They would review the topic and see if it is worthy of a reward based on originality and context. That way, the post could still be posted, but the spammers would be wasting their time posting it.

That's all I have to say about that.

Etude · December 14, 2018

I think the current system is quite decent as it is also with forum moderators keeping in check of possible abuses and actions are taken too. Newbie accounts are placed on a much tighter watch too I believe.

BLXN · December 14, 2018

Just bank what you need for the game you want to play- min withdrawal could be increased since post value has gone up, but it shouldn't really matter. you have a much better chance in making a good bet if you save a little anyway.

Shaniqua · December 14, 2018

seems lately that those who withdraw more frequently are subject to investigation and unfair policing practices...
they should thank the withdraw frrequenters as it advertises forum. but i get it, its a power thing sometimes...

lupandina · December 14, 2018

Increasing withdrawal limits won't solve anything. People just will start trading these sats like before

Well, if newbies posts are good and meaningfull, then everything is ok, right? Who cares, how often he withdraws that. If it's spam - every post can be reported, and abused sats will be discounted

Shaniqua · December 14, 2018

3 minutes ago, lupandina said:

Increasing withdrawal limits won't solve anything. People just will start trading these sats like before

Well, if newbies posts are good and meaningfull, then everything is ok, right? Who cares, how often he withdraws that. If it's spam - every post can be reported, and abused sats will be discounted

exactly,
but for some reason its only after i started withdrawing frequently when i started getting my posts (unjustfully) in my opininion taken down.
since therre are no checks and balances in the system imo, we just got to accept things when they happen.
an d i bet this post is not gonna help me in the long run, probably gonna anger some of the enforcers ego and end up taking it out on me,

shani is what shani does.. thnx lup

Jakubb · December 14, 2018

Well the post idea depends on what kind of limits and the amount. I think it's quite smart to put some withdrawal limit, it is kinda abused. But it's good recognition for the forum on stake's chat also. It's a win-win mostly.

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