Asscorn Posted May 7, 2019 Share #1 Posted May 7, 2019 One last New topic today. I haven't posted in about a week so I figured I'd contribute one more thought, and a question. I was online a few days ago when I saw a message in chat that said the reason so many people come to stake is because it's programmed. First off I wasn't really sure what he meant. Seemed like a silly statement, but after sending a message or two realized that he and actually a couple others agreed and believed that stake was a programmed gambling site. I asked them if they knew what provably fair ment and how it works for gambling. I came to the assumption that they did not. I suppose it's not imperative that player know how the outcome of the roll or spin or card outcomes are determined, but I think knowing is an important part of players playing at Stake. Being provably fair in combination with the extremely low house edge is what makes Stake, Stake. I wonder how many players actually know what's important about provably fair and how it works. I also wonder how many know just how low the house edge is at Stake in comparison to other casinos. I think making this information and maybe some casino comparisons available and on easy display somewhere, would help to inform players that don't know. As well as help players make informed decisions when choosing where to gamble. Do you know how Provably fair works? Does that matter when choosing stake? Does the House Edge at Stake play a roll on your choosing to play at Stake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbaris Posted May 7, 2019 Share #2 Posted May 7, 2019 Here is some information that I managed to find about what it is and how it works provably fair. https://bitcoinchaser.com/provably-fair-gambling/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etude Posted May 7, 2019 Share #3 Posted May 7, 2019 I just read about it more or less and have general understanding on what provably fair is but I tend not to like to make of or get into things that are too complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FotisNt Posted May 7, 2019 Share #4 Posted May 7, 2019 Well, not at all and I actually don't care about how it works. I guess it's all about self control and calculating odds. I mean, that's how I win so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaniqua Posted May 8, 2019 Share #5 Posted May 8, 2019 I think I know how it works but when it comes to trying to explain it to someone else I have a lot of trouble doing that. It always confuses me when I’m trying to explain it but I think I understand it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamshennie9 Posted May 8, 2019 Share #6 Posted May 8, 2019 I tried to fully understand how it works before trusting my money with an online casino. Stake is one of the few completely transparent sites out there which even lets you change the server seed if you'd like. So that I why Stake's provably fair works super well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate Posted May 8, 2019 Share #7 Posted May 8, 2019 I don't know how exactly it works but i believe that it has to do something with legitimate of how the bet or the game was , and how you could check whether or not it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coeghacked Posted May 8, 2019 Share #8 Posted May 8, 2019 lol lmao hahahaha I can only laugh at people who say bad things to the stake. don't they know it yet? that the results in the seed have been set by the algorithm? but no one knows the results of 256 servers before we replace them. seen from several gambling sites I would bet. only a stake that we can see and verify its honesty. we can even check on github. they act like that because cant afford losing in here . Try to compare it with other casino casinos that have been suspended by the casino account at bitcointalk, there are even some casinos that automatically change their seeds when we are unaware or not paying attention. I don't need to mention the name of the casino here hope my answer help to fix your question goodluck have a great day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nattekut Posted May 8, 2019 Share #9 Posted May 8, 2019 I personally do not know how the provably fair system works. And I actually am not interested in how it works. I have never verified a bet in my life and will never do so. The only reason I am on stake is because its a nice platform with fun games. And that's what it is all about for me, just fun. I am not gonna waste any time to learn about provably fair or to verify bets, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikowin88 Posted May 8, 2019 Share #10 Posted May 8, 2019 Interesting! Will be looking forward to your comparison if you find time to do it. About probably fair I know it's important, and have a general understanding of it. Where my mind start to overload is about cryptographic processing. Never understood how from 2 strings with both letters and numbers we can get a third one.. But the processing that makes rolls probably fair is pretty clear to me. Now about those who claim that stake manipulate the rolls it always makes me laugh a lot.. I mean if you're really convinced that q casino is cheating you why keep playing in it and even depositing values... It's beyond my skills to understand that lol. More seriously it come from juvenile people who can't afford loosing and shouldn't be here at all. Like when someone scream to the cheat and scam because he had 25 / 50 reds rolls.. Lmao! Doing this he just show how poor is his understanding of how random the rolls are... About house edge it's very true that stake is one of the lowest of the market, and if you think they refund a part of that house edge to high roller or when they do race it makes it more lower if was ever possible.. Stake and Primedice are to me the 2 most trusted place to gamble around here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FotisNt Posted May 9, 2019 Share #11 Posted May 9, 2019 On 5/8/2019 at 4:56 AM, williamshennie9 said: I tried to fully understand how it works before trusting my money with an online casino. Stake is one of the few completely transparent sites out there which even lets you change the server seed if you'd like. So that I why Stake's provably fair works super well im not getting anything of it. idk - but i blindtrust it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provablefair Posted May 9, 2019 Share #12 Posted May 9, 2019 To know how provably fair works is not really needed into deep we just need to know if site is provable fair This means in short each bet is verifiable ( how to do this , depeends on site script / algorithm used to generate roll) More info like was said up https://bitcoinchaser.com/provably-fair-gambling/ well i use wiki alot so here wiki : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provably_fair this is what i wrote on my site instead and added external verifier for all people like me that trust a site but not blindly https://provablefair.altervista.org/ last but not least stake page with verifier ( external to check) :https://provablefair.altervista.org/faucet-game/stake/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate Posted May 9, 2019 Share #13 Posted May 9, 2019 3 hours ago, provablefair said: To know how provably fair works is not really needed into deep we just need to know if site is provable fair This means in short each bet is verifiable ( how to do this , depeends on site script / algorithm used to generate roll) More info like was said up https://bitcoinchaser.com/provably-fair-gambling/ well i use wiki alot so here wiki : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provably_fair this is what i wrote on my site instead and added external verifier for all people like me that trust a site but not blindly https://provablefair.altervista.org/ last but not least stake page with verifier ( external to check) :https://provablefair.altervista.org/faucet-game/stake/ So basically you have done a lot of research on this provbily fair huh ? Well nice work and if you don't mind mind explaining it just in like a line or two ? Like small no speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polor12 Posted May 9, 2019 Share #14 Posted May 9, 2019 provably fair can only be described that the online casinos are fair to players.. meaning there is no program that will have the house sorta have a bigger advantage... but yet people are forgetting that online playing without a live dealer involved like 21... is basically playing a slot machine in real life.. which those machines are set up to hit a certain amount for high but not higher payouts.. and trigger to get a jackpot.. by certain times it been played..those have been proven.. but online.. is difficult since you are not the developer..so having a statement saying provably fair or seed changing is the only way to prove they are fair.. Having a house edge percentage for each game is up for the person to decide if it can be trusted.. Trust is the key word for all casinos want to have for customer to believe in.. So basically is up to the players if provably fair for its meaning.. if you keep coming back then the trust is there.. is just a statement written down.. but remember house always wins.. and you just a visitor.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnaName Posted May 9, 2019 Share #15 Posted May 9, 2019 On 5/8/2019 at 6:20 AM, barbaris said: Here is some information that I managed to find about what it is and how it works provably fair. https://bitcoinchaser.com/provably-fair-gambling/ Thanks! This info is very useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunes49 Posted May 10, 2019 Share #16 Posted May 10, 2019 I'm not too sure about how it works, but I do believe that if a site says they are, and offers the tools to us to verify everything, then they're a fair site. While I'm not one to check how fair, I know that if the tools are there, SOMEBODY will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted May 10, 2019 Share #17 Posted May 10, 2019 I am confuse but my mind interms of internet knowledge will not cooperating lol. I just trusting stake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaniqua Posted May 10, 2019 Share #18 Posted May 10, 2019 i think you can use a off site verifier to double check the authenticity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate Posted May 10, 2019 Share #19 Posted May 10, 2019 12 hours ago, Shaniqua said: i think you can use a off site verifier to double check the authenticity. Umm i guess the verifier they have on the site is their own but there was a bet verifier for old stake when they didn't have their own verifier and was created by a stake member . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmg Posted May 11, 2019 Share #20 Posted May 11, 2019 I don't pay attention to the whole provably fair crap. If I win then awesome and If I lose well then oh well call it a lose and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menang Posted May 11, 2019 Share #21 Posted May 11, 2019 All I know is when we reset the seed , all the result have been determined in the beggining. So there is no way that site can change the outcome result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhoyasim101 Posted May 11, 2019 Share #22 Posted May 11, 2019 therefore provable fair comes by verifying bets if it is fair for players ,, provably fair per say for my little understanding is that when we trust the site and we make deposit on it and keep coming back like we did here on stake.com is just because we believe that this site is fair to play, i think we must be cautious about the house edge coz they say that it always a winner because we are just a visitors. so play smart if you win a little then run don't be greedy coz house edge will kill you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coeghacked Posted May 11, 2019 Share #23 Posted May 11, 2019 see how easily we verify provably fair in the stake. with just a few steps we can see the game that has been randomly determined by the seed. for mor explaination you can read in topic below here all explaination will be help your question : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neich Posted May 11, 2019 Share #24 Posted May 11, 2019 i dont know how it works and im too lazy to read it all but im sure stake isnt scamming so i dont care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotmacron Posted May 11, 2019 Share #25 Posted May 11, 2019 Provably fair is a major step towards openness and transparency. Yes, really, for an ordinary player, you just need to understand that the site tends to be open, when every bet is verified. Not all casinos do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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