players are not allowed to tip when muted

[bmg]

Hello my fellow Stakers! 💕

 It's bmg here  and I wanna Discuss something that is on my mind about Stake and I wanna hear what you all  think about it as well....

Let me start off by saying that this is not a suggestion of any kind,    but rather an opinion of mine and a stake discussion.

 

        So for you players that are either new or have never had the exciting experience of being muted you may not know one very important thing that comes along with being muted .  

    When you are under a mute your  funds are locked from tipping to other players.  I know sounds dumb right?.   Well there is a reason for this and that has to do with players that used to get angry and spam tips in chat because they were muted.  Clogging up chat or some call them spam tips.

  Anyway,  today  my husband @Bigmann23 was under a mute and it's been so long  since either one of us has been muted that we forgot this very important  detail .  

Bm had all of  what tiny funds we had all on his account and I had 0 so as always we share with each other .   Well  he went to tip me and was not authorized. ...".hmmm not authorized to move your own money because of a mute in a chat room"...   doesn't seem fare does it?

In my opinion and like i said this is my opinion Not a suggestion...    when players are muted they should be able to tip but only in private.   

The reason I feel this way is because there are people here moving a lot of money  around to gamble here  and also  paying  more than some people make in a year at a job to play here in one day.  There is absolutely no reason at all that  players tipping should be stopped privately.   

Mutes are needed we all understand that part but to not allow a player whom has bet well over a million dollars here to tip out just because the told someone to stfu in chat is not right. 

Mute are called for most of the time but controlling who i can and cant give my money to is bull crap.

I am really  interested to hear the opinions  of my friends and family here at  Stake on this matter.💕  

 

  

[sdsdfbsfsd]

personally i believe it is fair enough for players not to be able to tip or claim faucet when muted as they have obvouisly  commited a offence against stake so should have to wait out there sentence,however those who use the bonzon command should be allowed to tip as use all etc maybe even catorgise the people who have been muted by mods  and diffrent tags for bonzo people  

[Kate]

Personally i do feel bad and i do think that they should still be able to tip but privately but since he got muted for a reason i guess it is only fair for the site and the mods that he can't 

[77kdub]

I can understand the frustration but I guess that's just part of the punishment that go's a long with a mute,  maybe it's an incentive not to get muted.

[wry]

@bmg I'm sorry for the trouble but as you noted there is a good reason for it being prohibited.  However, I do have an easy solution, tell BM that he is no longer allowed to hold the joint gambling monies! 

Good Luck to you both!

[rdbase]

Being just freshly muted for a violation which was in error on my part (which was rectified within minutes of it happening) it was a horrible experience since you are limited to be able to do anything while under it. So I would of assumed you are not able to sent tips as well as receive any.

I hate not clearing the clipboard from the previous night and having your stake deposit address still in there thinking you clicked the copy bet id of your previous bet you wanted to share on the chat.😕

[williamshennie9]

I know this might be a backdoor way, but could you not withdraw from your Stake account into his wallet on Stake? (I know there is a 5k satoshi fee, but still) As far as I know, withdrawing is not stopped when you are muted

[maverick528]

Being muted is a consequence of doing something wrong.

If tips were possible while being muted, its as easy as having an ALT account and/or friend and/or partner and/or whatever to be able to transfer funds, chat and bet with no consequences at all on another account. Its not only that you can spam tips in chat as you mentioned.

Being muted is a punishment, and its purpose its actually to make ppl learn what NOT to do next time.

You are allowed to bet while being muted, and that is the main reason for being in Stake, so you can still have fun betting, post in forum, join the giveaways of forum and Discord, etc.

 

 

[polor12]

yea even though being muted they should allow to tip people still.. just no able to chat or catch rain.. those two are the main privilege that should taken away from being muted,, there is no harm if a person muted to send out tips..it should be change.. in ,my opinion..

[bmg]

I don't think I made my point so let me try saying it like this.....

---The Mute part of this is not the issue.  We all get muted from time to time whatever we get over it.

My issue with this whole situation is when a player is muted from chat then why are they not allowed to send tips in private.  The player is not muted from the sites games, the player is muted from chat.  so yes I agree with not being able to tip publicly during a mute but I donr agree with the  fact that players cant tip privately.

---or I'll put it like this....

If you had funds that you deposited out of your own pocket that you worked hard for all week long at your daily job then came into chat and got muted for 24 hours or even days weeks whatever and you think its ok for Stake to not allow you to send your own money to whom ever you want? hmmmm.. 

Anyway i think that at  @polor12 was the only person that gets what i was trying to say .... 

Mutes and private tipping dont go hand in hand...

im done

[rajamishra]

hello bmg its a some kind of punishment what we done wrong in chat ,then how we used it.if there is no restriction for mutes then its no needs for mute any more.its for all not only you.when i muted before some months ago post in wrong bet id mistaken in giveaway.i cant send tip any of my friends that time i feel so angry when i talked to support,i feel if i made a mistake then its the punishment so i waited  to pass the muted hours and again back to normal.

[barbaris]

It seems to me that if a person is punished for violating the rules of the chat, he should be muted. But why deprive the opportunity to send a tip. I think that this is not entirely fair.

[neich]

for me: i would love to see a change on this option.

to be able to tip still when u are muted. i guess its something total different to chat and tip.

im wondering why its disabled

[hui]

As @maverick528explained the tipping was abused for mute evasions in the past, so users just tipped their balance to an alt and continued talking there despite being muted. Unfortunately that is just another example of how abuse from a few results in many of us not having nice things. 

While I understand the opinion it's not like you're restricted from using your funds any way you see fit since withdraws still work. After all the tipping feature is not an essential functionality of the site, in fact there were years where i.e. at PD this option didn't exist for any one at all.

So yeah, for legit players who play by the rules tipping while muted would be a reasonable option. Then again them being muted is an indication they didn't play by the rules in the first place, and since so many nice things are abused and end up being restricted this is just another case and I understand the rationale behind the restriction, too.

[Dragunov]

Wondering why its disabled.I think tipping while muted should be allowed. That is a nice think of u dear bmg hope u have a lot of luck with ur husband Bigman wish ya all the best everyone . Take Care Stakers

[hui]

18 minutes ago, Dragunov said:

Wondering why its disabled.

You wouldn't have to wonder if you would have read the opening post, the post from maverick528 or even the post right above yours...

[sheenazbay]

I have experienced what you experienced. but not here, but on another site. for me if your husband's account is only mute, the punishment received is not too heavy. while my account and wife's power account were banned for 1 year. because they often tip each other, so the team from the site considers you farming, gathering rain with 2 accounts

[cryptofly]

If you get muted for something you did incorrect while chatting should reflect only in the chat and the activities related to the chat.  I think that, the fact that you can`t do anything you want with your balance is not fair.  I don`t see any particular reason for stake to prohibit any gambler to do what ever wants with its own balance.   Let`s see what mods have to say about it.   Good luck.

[Bigmann23]

11 hours ago, maverick528 said:

Being muted is a consequence of doing something wrong.

If tips were possible while being muted, its as easy as having an ALT account and/or friend and/or partner and/or whatever to be able to transfer funds, chat and bet with no consequences at all on another account. Its not only that you can spam tips in chat as you mentioned.

Being muted is a punishment, and its purpose its actually to make ppl learn what NOT to do next time.

You are allowed to bet while being muted, and that is the main reason for being in Stake, so you can still have fun betting, post in forum, join the giveaways of forum and Discord, etc.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, hui said:

As @maverick528explained the tipping was abused for mute evasions in the past, so users just tipped their balance to an alt and continued talking there despite being muted. Unfortunately that is just another example of how abuse from a few results in many of us not having nice things. 

While I understand the opinion it's not like you're restricted from using your funds any way you see fit since withdraws still work. After all the tipping feature is not an essential functionality of the site, in fact there were years where i.e. at PD this option didn't exist for any one at all.

So yeah, for legit players who play by the rules tipping while muted would be a reasonable option. Then again them being muted is an indication they didn't play by the rules in the first place, and since so many nice things are abused and end up being restricted this is just another case and I understand the rationale behind the restriction, too.

i dont think either one of you are understanding whats being said here. We understand why tipping in public while muted is not allowed people would and have spam tipped while muted just to be distruptive in chat so public tipping while muted should not be allowed. However private  tipping does not in any way effect the chat no one except the the tipping and the reciveing person see that tip. The idea that a person would tip there alt to conitue chatting is ignorant a person could chat from there alt any ways there would be no reason they would need to tip an alt for this also if they did begin chatting from an alt mods would simply mute that alt and still the private tipping would have no effect on chat. As far as it being  essential functionality of site yes it is the site wants happy users and gives us these options to keep players at stake otherwise we find a site that gives us what we want and we leave. Also am i to understand that you are now saying i am not a legit player on stake because i was muted in my opinion unfairly i feel extremly insulted by that comment. I have spent a large amount of money playing here on stake to be told i am not a legit player.

[Kippo]

The punishment for rules breaking should be muted by time period. If you want to permanent mute just ban that account from site. Permanent mute isn’t good. Instead of permanent mute,  i want to be 2-5 months mute for punishment 

[hui]

1 hour ago, Bigmann23 said:

Also am i to understand that you are now saying i am not a legit player on stake because i was muted in my opinion unfairly i feel extremly insulted by that comment. I have spent a large amount of money playing here on stake to be told i am not a legit player.

Sorry, this is a misunderstanding and totally not what I was trying to say (and if you read carefully in fact I didn't say anything like that). 

1 hour ago, Bigmann23 said:

The idea that a person would tip there alt to conitue chatting is ignorant a person could chat from there alt any ways there would be no reason they would need to tip an alt for this also if they did begin chatting from an alt mods would simply mute that alt and still the private tipping would have no effect on chat. 

Not sure why you call what I say ignorant when I refer to previous experiences, but I'm fine if that's your opinion. I was trying to help to understand the rationale of the decision to make tipping unavailable for muted players. If you prefer me not sharing experiences from the mod perspective I'm okay with just listening to your thoughts and keeping mine for myself. 

[GKD09]

I understand your frustration for sure, or the likes of feeling like its unfair. But in a way the site did no wrong, it's just their rules. True they maybe stopped being able to tip because of few idiots who you referred to as "top spammers", and now it affects the people who don't even do that.

I'm not going against this but if you look at it as a law that happens in our day to day lives it is pretty similar. 

Imagine this as driving for example. You could be running the red lights, few times or maybe more, but if you do get caught you get fined and in some countries you have to spend your time in jail for a small number of days. Likewise if you get muted, its similar to one not following the rules. Yes accidentally typing in CAPS is a bit harsh, but so far I haven't seen people get mute for accidentally typing it - they just get a warning. Same with cursing. So as a driver, if you don't run the red lights, you are safe, or if you stay at home (not chatting) also you'd be safe, but once you do go against the rules, and get caught, I guess you have to spend your time in Stake jail. 

If they alter the freedom after being mute is totally up to them and I wouldn't mind it, but I'm sure they wouldn't change it for people already going against their rules. The mutes for small incidents like typing in caps etc usually aren't more than couple of hours. 

Just my opinion - from a day to day life example, I'm not trying to go against you  

[Shaniqua]

i think the whole idea of this is flawed and unintentionally (i hope) targeting lower caliber player...

all it is doing is punishing the people who do not have as much money than the people who have more money....

the ppl with more money, really doesnnt effect them much as they can just tip via withdrawing to the persons address they wish to tip, granted it will be  a large tip... or better yet............ they wd to an alt and tip via alt.

yet the people who dont have as much money to wd tip or to wd ... they just lose access or ability to move their own money around ... stake shouldnt restrict access to peoples money as mutes can be wrongfully given... sometimes mods are the ones who make mistakes, so stake is gonna force user to not user their funds how they want given real possibility that mod error can and does  happen at times? its not unheard of....

[Etude]

Yes there was mass tipping abuse a while back in chat where there are some annoying players just spam tipping his alts.  I think that made the developers to decide to include tipping disabled during mute ever since. Well you will still be able to withdraw in this case of being muted. 

[Shaniqua]

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