blueprints Posted August 12, 2019 #1 Posted August 12, 2019 So I know that theres been a lot more people in here. And when the rewards were higher, there were people who spammed but i dont think lowering the forum reward will make a difference in improving the quality of the forums. There will always be freeloaders and abusers. Whether prize is big or small, but now with the reward being less it wont just be abusers who post a bunch of spammy topics, but regular users too! Think about it, how much effort do you think people, even the top contributors and commended posters, will put into the topic or comment they are posting when they know they might get 800-1000 satoshis for it. They will put 1000 satoshi effort into it! And to compensate they will want to post more of these verbose low quality posts. I believe they lowered it beause it was getting to expensive. I mean they were pretty nice with us. sigh this is exactly how i predicted at the start of forums. The more people join the less the individual will get cuz more people to spread the prizes to. We need a Purge.
CntryBoy Posted August 12, 2019 #2 Posted August 12, 2019 While I think you may be correct that it may cause even more spam than there was due to the lower reward for posting, I am actually surprised that it was not lowered sooner. There are many more people here now and the bitcoin price has risen considerably I believe since the last time the rewards were tweaked. With all of the other ways that Stake gives back to us, it has to get insanely expensive, so I really can't say I didn't see this coming.
nuuuitsjdragon Posted August 12, 2019 #3 Posted August 12, 2019 28 minutes ago, blueprints said: So I know that theres been a lot more people in here. And when the rewards were higher, there were people who spammed but i dont think lowering the forum reward will make a difference in improving the quality of the forums. There will always be freeloaders and abusers. Whether prize is big or small, but now with the reward being less it wont just be abusers who post a bunch of spammy topics, but regular users too! Think about it, how much effort do you think people, even the top contributors and commended posters, will put into the topic or comment they are posting when they know they might get 800-1000 satoshis for it. They will put 1000 satoshi effort into it! And to compensate they will want to post more of these verbose low quality posts. I believe they lowered it beause it was getting to expensive. I mean they were pretty nice with us. sigh this is exactly how i predicted at the start of forums. The more people join the less the individual will get cuz more people to spread the prizes to. We need a Purge. I think what’s consoling is that at least we got a good run haha with the buffer Pay-per-Post being implemented quite a number of months ago. There are many other players who did not manage to make of it as much as they would have liked to, so I consider myself lucky in this aspect!
tae40127 Posted August 12, 2019 #4 Posted August 12, 2019 may be cause some user that like to comment that i think so or just say it ok good nice wow some thing like not useful and get the reward that not fair for who share opinion for a sentence
Thepug Posted August 12, 2019 #5 Posted August 12, 2019 From listening to people that have been here for a while, I perfectly see why they lowered forum rewards. Firstly, with popular streamers coming around to steam on stake, their audience tends to be full of giveaways hunters. These are people that tend to come from lower income countries and they would prefer to win a giveaway / get some free money, instead of getting a job. This then results in these people maximising the satoshi that they can make in a day. In some countries, $1 can buy you a lot of food for the house. If someone is going to make this in a couple days from just posting something, it will be a money saver for them. Then, they create multiple accounts to benefit from this and maximise the money that they can make. This has increased the number of users on the site and made it more expensive for stake to continue their current rates. At the end of the day, they are a business, not a charity. They keep the forum rewards to maintain customer relations / loyalty, but with so many people coming here, it isn’t profitable for them to keep the rates so high, when BTC is also increasing. I personally prefer the events / challenges that are going on and I would prefer for them to keep them at the same value / increase it if they are wanting to improve the rewards. This then can result in forum rewards for talking to be decreased, which I wouldn’t then mind.
ScooterPi Posted August 13, 2019 #6 Posted August 13, 2019 I don't know how much it helps on the business side of things when it changes - I hope that the adjustments make it more workable from their side of things. For myself - I like it just fine through any of the changes so far. I enjoy the forum and participating in it - and the forum reward mechanism is definitely a huge perk of the community!
Enzo Posted August 13, 2019 #7 Posted August 13, 2019 It makes sense why they lowered it when you consider how many new people are on the forum every day. Lots of users want a chance to earn satoshi for posting topics/replies. It gets expensive for Stake, thus they have to cap it for everyone which I kinda agree with kinda disagree with. I'm leaning towards making it capped until 1000 posts but I'm sure people would disagree with me there too.
allisonn Posted August 13, 2019 #8 Posted August 13, 2019 7 hours ago, blueprints said: Think about it, how much effort do you think people, even the top contributors and commended posters, will put into the topic or comment they are posting when they know they might get 800-1000 satoshis for it. They will put 1000 satoshi effort into it! And to compensate they will want to post more of these verbose low quality posts. Nope, it was always a 1000 satoshi effort, they were just overpaid and spammed because they knew they were overpaid for it. Free money is free money. People will wager $100 to use the chat, to complain about not having a faucet of fractions of a cent. 7 hours ago, blueprints said: We need a Purge. I for one wouldn't mind if the bottom 10-20% of low quality posters were banned or had their forum rewards clawed back.
gougou Posted August 13, 2019 #9 Posted August 13, 2019 For me the beat way ti stop spammers and farmers is to give forum rewards in the way like wagering.for example a new player in stake and in forum should take few satoshies per post.if someone wagers a lot and post should earn more forum satoshies per post.And of course after some post per day they should reduce his earnings. Example in numbers Wagered 0.1btc -> earning per post 150-200 satoshies per post lowing after 10 posts to 50% 30% 10% Wagered 1btc -> earning per post 1500-2000 per post lowing after 10 posts 70% 50% 30% Wagering 10btc -> earning per post 4000-7000 satoshies per post lowing after 10 posts to 80% 60% 40% Wagering 50 btc -> earning per post 6000-9000 satoshies per post lowing after 10 posts to 90% 80% 70%
lupandina Posted August 13, 2019 #10 Posted August 13, 2019 Well, btc price pumped 3x. It was clear, that forum rewards should get lowered sooner or later Hope, it will reduce spam too
djonox Posted August 13, 2019 #11 Posted August 13, 2019 I think you're right about the forum's rewards given the number of spam topic that was done last week there should be a restriction on the rewards for spam even see a period of no distribution for those accounts that spam
sheenazbay Posted August 13, 2019 #12 Posted August 13, 2019 yes maybe because there are too many spammers that make pay per post to 800-1000 sats per post. and it might also be due to the small number of users who make deposits, but instead collects satoshi through forums
SLFJ Posted August 13, 2019 #13 Posted August 13, 2019 Yeah, it got deducted and will stay I think, a few months will probably have to pass and we have to see the btc price going down if we want our satoshis back, but yeah, I don't feel like it's that urgent for the people who just come here to chill and earn a couple of dollars by doing that too, so yeah. Not any time soon. Kind regards, slfj.
wowa24 Posted August 13, 2019 #14 Posted August 13, 2019 This is not a problem .. generally a paid forum, it’s rare, they cut the payment due to the large number of fake accounts that are spammed. I personally do not like that there are only 20 messages ... yes this is correct in paid topics, but in free ones it would be possible to remove the restriction.
barbaris Posted August 13, 2019 #15 Posted August 13, 2019 I agree with you. It also seems to me that now the number of spam and posts will increase due to the fact that people want to get more. Paying for a post will not reduce spam, and maybe only increase it. Indeed, in ordinary forums where there is no payment for messages, there is much more spam, because people are not interested in it, they just publish ref. links or advertising materials and it’s not even important for them to ban them or not.
won2018 Posted August 14, 2019 #16 Posted August 14, 2019 It's supposed to grow and grow, it's not natural to shrink or decrease, it's because the forum team once said "it's going to improve the forum's gifts and quality", and I'm a pretty good staker, know what development, Understanding and Definition of Growth and Development what I learned when I was in school was; Growth and development is a process of increasing size, shape and volume that accompanies the process of maturity. Growth and development not only occur in living things but can also occur in other things that are very similar to living beings. Examples of economic growth and development, growth and development of the educational world.The growth and development of living things is different from the growth and development of dead things. The growth and development of living things is irreversible and runs simultaneously. Growth is the beginning process while progress is the process of perfection. During growth there will be differentiation and morphogenesis processes. While in the process of development there will be a process of organogenesis so that the living beings become fully organized and ready to reproduce. so I'm sure it'll grow, staker! and don't want to be taken down .. . . ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... ... ... Good_day staker #salam staker!
alindog123 Posted August 14, 2019 #18 Posted August 14, 2019 im not against hte changes, but hoping that they also consider people on forum giving effort to keep forum running, people thoughts are being shared here, and i hope they appreciate it, and instead of lowering the reward, they should be happy that its sucessful. should not lower the reward, that will only make people sad, and might stop posting,
Vlademore Posted August 14, 2019 #19 Posted August 14, 2019 I agree with you too much in the forum to spam topics and repeated and make the forum deduction reduced I sometimes like to get annoyed if seeing the topic spam in the forum makes the forum members who really work to make a quality topic even in broken by self-interested spammers. I beg for members in the stake forum to interopeksi themselves and do not carelessly make a topic especially spam is very detrimental to the true forum that makes forums creatively and not carelessly like the spammers. I hope those of you who like spam are aware of the common good in this forum. On 8/13/2019 at 5:11 AM, blueprints said: So I know that theres been a lot more people in here. And when the rewards were higher, there were people who spammed but i dont think lowering the forum reward will make a difference in improving the quality of the forums. There will always be freeloaders and abusers. Whether prize is big or small, but now with the reward being less it wont just be abusers who post a bunch of spammy topics, but regular users too! Think about it, how much effort do you think people, even the top contributors and commended posters, will put into the topic or comment they are posting when they know they might get 800-1000 satoshis for it. They will put 1000 satoshi effort into it! And to compensate they will want to post more of these verbose low quality posts. I believe they lowered it beause it was getting to expensive. I mean they were pretty nice with us. sigh this is exactly how i predicted at the start of forums. The more people join the less the individual will get cuz more people to spread the prizes to. We need a Purge.
Kate Posted August 15, 2019 #20 Posted August 15, 2019 Well you are right on the effort and that will also cause a problem but also another thing is people will stop osting fully on the forum and it will be dry like primedice forum just dont want it to be that.
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