iamsheikhadil Posted September 21, 2019 #1 Posted September 21, 2019 The player vs player gambling thing is a 100% guarantee that the casino will always make money. It can never lose as long as it takes a commission from each bet, it will continue to grow and never stop expanding. I wanna know, why then, most casinos take the risk of going player vs site, when a huge good luck of a very rich player can make the site go bank rupt. Is it the confidence in house edge or am i missing something? Just curious!
niki014 Posted September 21, 2019 #2 Posted September 21, 2019 No As eddie said in streams this kinda websites can never be 100% legit since it is player vs player but ever sense the history of player vs player showed us in some cases it is player vs owner if you get what i am saying Â
cryptonesiac Posted September 21, 2019 #3 Posted September 21, 2019 Still waiting for poker on Stake... that would be a great player on player game
CntryBoy Posted September 21, 2019 #4 Posted September 21, 2019 Player vs. player games can never be provably fair. Eddie has discussed this on stream on multiple occasions. There is no way to know that the game is not being manipulated and that one of the players is not the house playing against you.
Thepug Posted September 21, 2019 #5 Posted September 21, 2019 I know that Eddie has talked about this before and he said how p2p games canât be fully probably fair. Sometimes with games like this, a site can know the outcome before the flip even goes and join it with a bot/fake account.Â
Mahdirakib87 Posted September 22, 2019 #6 Posted September 22, 2019 Player vs player game wouldn't be good. Firstly there are many games which can't arrange between player to player. If they arrange game like this would be boring too. Example: In a game you create/placed a bet. Another player need to join with same amount. So you need to wait until someone other join. That's boring for sure.Â
iamsheikhadil Posted September 22, 2019 Author #7 Posted September 22, 2019 7 hours ago, niki014 said: No As eddie said in streams this kinda websites can never be 100% legit since it is player vs player but ever sense the history of player vs player showed us in some cases it is player vs owner if you get what i am saying  So you mean that owners create alts to grab the 100% of the funds? Lol That kinda makes sense and I never thought like that... However, can it be provably fair though? Like both the player bets be verified with some seeds or hash so we can prove there's no manipulation?
zulfandina Posted September 22, 2019 #8 Posted September 22, 2019 after all, the casino will still win ... because the house edge calculation has been determined ... the percentage has been made in such a way as to be able to withstand the stakes made by players ...
DCYuma Posted September 22, 2019 #9 Posted September 22, 2019 if Players vs Players they can abuse the VIP system/rakeback where you just need to wager to achieve it. You know gambling is a business that's why they are so in the things that they get profit but in Stake they give back to player and that's is what so great about they give back to players not like some gambling that when your busted you can't get anything it's like your on your own go get some money and comeback not like stake do something like and that you have to chance to get some free money.
wiro212sableng Posted September 22, 2019 #10 Posted September 22, 2019 12 hours ago, iamsheikhadil said: The player vs player gambling thing is a 100% guarantee that the casino will always make money. It can never lose as long as it takes a commission from each bet, it will continue to grow and never stop expanding. I wanna know, why then, most casinos take the risk of going player vs site, when a huge good luck of a very rich player can make the site go bank rupt. Is it the confidence in house edge or am i missing something? Just curious! That was you saying on PvP casino it's in poker site only. Yea that will give a casino profit from house edge they're put in every single games. If you asking why most casinos take risk of going player vs site because they have advantage at there. You should figure out about casinos online profit and benefit mate. Â
wyj1306 Posted September 22, 2019 #11 Posted September 22, 2019 12 hours ago, iamsheikhadil said: The player vs player gambling thing is a 100% guarantee that the casino will always make money. It can never lose as long as it takes a commission from each bet, it will continue to grow and never stop expanding. I wanna know, why then, most casinos take the risk of going player vs site, when a huge good luck of a very rich player can make the site go bank rupt. Is it the confidence in house edge or am i missing something? Just curious! I really like PvP games, because it makes betting so much more reliable knowing that you are betting against someone else, and the site is still profiting from it. But surely the site wins much more if the player bets against the house.
SLFJ Posted September 22, 2019 #12 Posted September 22, 2019 Yeah, so as everyone said and Eddie said, the sites can go full phantoml0rd on you and scam all of your money, that's why they don't want to make it PVP, so it doesn't get untrusted.
zulfandina Posted September 23, 2019 #13 Posted September 23, 2019 18 hours ago, SLFJ said: Yeah, so as everyone said and Eddie said, the sites can go full phantoml0rd on you and scam all of your money, that's why they don't want to make it PVP, so it doesn't get untrusted. yeah ... that's right .. after all the casino was made so that players weighed at home, not between players and players ... there is no fairness in betting if it is held .. anyway what's the point of the edge of the house if the bet is the player with the player
Enzo Posted September 23, 2019 #15 Posted September 23, 2019 I think someone else mentioned this but Eddie has actually talked about this on stream before. There is no way to verify the legit-ness of a PVP casino. There is no provably fair system that guarantees the rolls/results have not been influenced.
wyj1306 Posted September 24, 2019 #16 Posted September 24, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 2:15 PM, iamsheikhadil said: The player vs player gambling thing is a 100% guarantee that the casino will always make money. It can never lose as long as it takes a commission from each bet, it will continue to grow and never stop expanding. I wanna know, why then, most casinos take the risk of going player vs site, when a huge good luck of a very rich player can make the site go bank rupt. Is it the confidence in house edge or am i missing something? Just curious! Sure, player vs player games are much more fairer to everyone than they are betting, but since the site will live on a commission for betting, the profit turns out to be much lower than in casinos like Stake.
Goyst23 Posted September 24, 2019 #17 Posted September 24, 2019 Yes, i agree, because casino always have profit with his clients, and in cases 1 vs 1 they always make some percent comission, and if it's huge sums, then site will take good comission
zulfandina Posted September 25, 2019 #18 Posted September 25, 2019 On 9/22/2019 at 5:27 AM, CntryBoy said: Player vs. player games can never be provably fair. Eddie has discussed this on stream on multiple occasions. There is no way to know that the game is not being manipulated and that one of the players is not the house playing against you. hmmm .... this is true ... and if there is a game where the player doesn't fight the house, it's not casino ... but local gambling ... at the casino there is a percentage of the house edge, and this is where the casino benefits ... if there is a player vs. player, how will the casino benefit
CntryBoy Posted September 25, 2019 #19 Posted September 25, 2019 7 hours ago, zulfandina said: if there is a player vs. player, how will the casino benefit Well, since the PvP game is not provably fair the casino can play against you or manipulate the results. This would benefit them greatly, not to mention they usually take a percentage of the game pot as commission.
sheenazbay Posted October 16, 2019 #20 Posted October 16, 2019 I have watched eddie streaming and eddie said about provably fair, so no one knows the results on every bet between the player and the site, so there is no cheating ,. I don't know for sure, because I also don't understand about provably fair
niki014 Posted October 25, 2019 #21 Posted October 25, 2019 On 9/22/2019 at 6:14 AM, iamsheikhadil said: So you mean that owners create alts to grab the 100% of the funds? Lol That kinda makes sense and I never thought like that... However, can it be provably fair though? Like both the player bets be verified with some seeds or hash so we can prove there's no manipulation? no mate There was that dude who owned one of the biggest csgo casinos and he was cashing out his 5% tax from games and he was playing vs another players and there was that other dude who owned one of the biggest csgo casinos he did same shit and we aint talking about 500-1000$ games or shit like that nah man games was like up to 20k$+
zulfandina Posted October 26, 2019 #22 Posted October 26, 2019 On 10/16/2019 at 9:54 AM, sheenazbay said: I have watched eddie streaming and eddie said about provably fair, so no one knows the results on every bet between the player and the site, so there is no cheating ,. I don't know for sure, because I also don't understand about provably fair I think that's the case. Stake is recognized about fairness in the bets made by gamblers, and I believe that. although in essence I am the same as you, in understanding the mentioned justice. because I also still do not understand about justice mentioned by some people here. only one thing I believe in, justice is indeed real
MadMartingale Posted October 26, 2019 #23 Posted October 26, 2019 i think there should be a texas hold em room where it is player vs player.
evet Posted October 26, 2019 #24 Posted October 26, 2019 Good point actually. On the other hand, I think Eddie is pretty confident that his site won't go bankrupt, I think the secret is with the crazy high bankroll of the site. I see a lot of players with a huge bankroll but I think it's not even close to the bankroll of the site. They sure can win a large amount but it's not enough to make the site go bankrupt and taking also into consideration that the site often win against other players with crazy high bets
Ali saher Posted October 26, 2019 #25 Posted October 26, 2019 I think this is very good play with other players I think few months before I see this type website where you play with website or play with other players, I play few days and this is very interesting when you play with others Maybe in future stake add this type option or game
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