Depo, Tipping, Tipping, Depo

[badger]

Thought Id seen it all with the last faucet "issue". Players who don't deposit cant tip now... For the love of gawd, please tell me how this makes any sense at all. Somebody, anybody, especially you Dan, you always have some lame, non related reply that makes no sense. Im sure you can field this one. Stop blaming the faucet. Tipping, clearly has nothing to do with the faucet. Its not the faucets fault. Tipping is something people do because they want to. Who cares if they deposit or not. If my friend tips me 5 btc, and can because they've deposited, and I have not deposited and cant tip, why cant I send tips to my friends? And this isn't even the issue, per se. There isn't a valid reason. The faucet has nothing to do with tipping. Just get rid of the faucet already, if that is in fact a problem. I don't think anyone can claim it anyway. All I see in chat is fix the faucet. Stop trying to make weird senseless changes to try to fix the faucet abuse issue. Its absolutely mind blowing how these crazy solutions have really been implemented, more than once. Its hysterical. Stake is so lucky its players are tolerant of bs, because in real life, try telling people in a store that shoplifting is so out of control that shoppers are no longer allowed to buy presents for their friend they are shopping with. That would never happen. Why? Because it the most retarded idea in the history of the world. Knock it off Stake, please, I might die from laughing. Again. Dan, please defend Stakes position.

c?, Badger

 

 

[Bigmann23]

nailed it come on just get rid of the faucet thats barley even there any ways no one will miss that little thing  that most cant claim right now as it isor at least answers the question whats wrong with the faucet why can people claim it lol wtf dan

 

 

[bmg]

very well said Badger . I agree with what you said 100% 

and Stake just get rid of the darn faucet please and let us tip our money . 

[David Jones]

Nicely quoted Badger......I am sure this time @Dan will definitely come up with a solution where most of the players would be happy as they were earlier

[imaginary]

 

6 minutes ago, badger said:

"Stake is so lucky its players are tolerant of bs, because in real life, try telling people in a store that shoplifting is so out of control that shoppers are no longer allowed to buy presents for their friend they are shopping with. "

 

love this example. 

[wry]

I will be the first to admit that I am not a big player on Stake.  I came here because so many of the mods on Bitvest were here (which says A LOT) and I figured I should check it out.  Sure enough, the community here is pretty impressive and I was really enjoying my time chatting and playing the occasional minefield and blackjack game.  I also like how these forums are tied to the site.

So today when I saw some people posting on Bitvest about how Stake would not let them withdraw without depositing I didn't believe it.  I almost started to argue with them but had the foresight to come and ask support and Katarina was super professional and said that yes it was in fact a new rule.

I fully support Stake's rights to make any rules about depositing and withdrawing that it wants - your site, your rules.  However, you really need to tell people about changes and do it in a professional way.   Since Bitcoin is so private and irreversible it relies a lot on trust.  I have to trust you that Stake is solvent and not going to "run away with the coins".  Yes, I know I like to joke that Stunna has a private island and has no need for my dust balance, but still, why even do this in such a "sneaky" way?

I don't think you are going to solve whatever faucet abuse problem you have by surprising people with rule changes when it concerns their coins. 

From the fun contests and help from friends I had a "withdrawable" balance (i.e. over 200K satoshi) but had no intention of withdrawing.  However, as soon as you told me I could NOT withdraw, I felt like I really needed to.   So I deposited and after a stressful wait have gotten my coins.  Thank you!

I am not mad and not screaming "scam".  Also, again, I'm not saying you can't make any rules you want.  I think faucet abusers are third only to beggars in chat and scammers on the "scum o meter" of Stake so I fully support trying to stop them.  If it's really the problem, maybe end the faucet, it's only 100 satoshi anyway.  But again, please communicate changes so honest Stake players can know whats going on and not be "surprised".

Thanks for having an area for issues and complaints!

[Dan]

I have merged the topics together to keep this discussion in one thread.

[wry]

3 minutes ago, Dan said:

I have merged the topics together to keep this discussion in one thread.

This thread wasn't visible when I made mine.  Also I think Badger is more concerned about the change itself, I'm more concerned about the absence of any notification about the change.  Thanks for doing anything you can to make this better.

[jkd123]

wonder is bank account still allowed? i can't found where do their new rules i can read?

[badger]

wry is not my goon, Dan, so we are clear. I had asked support to delete my posting. Why it is still here, and wry post listed under it, idk, perhaps you do. 

very nice wry. like always

[wilberthh]

To not be able to tip if never deposit is indeed a good idea. This can reduce faucet abuser.

However, I think Stake should make an exception for 'bank' account. Not to be able to tip, but to be able to withdraw.. 

Please consider this Stake! (Kinda impossible I guess? )

[badger]

what does tipping someone have to do with the faucet?

 

[efeygeegee15]

how come you always said "faucet abuser"? how does a player can abuse faucet if faucet have limit to claim? lol. and if faucet is the reason why non-depo players can't tip, then there is no connection between the two. 

[wilberthh]

@efeygeegee15 Well you don't understand how faucet works here on stake then. It's true that faucet has limit which are 20 times. But, even though on one account it has reached its limit, you can still claim faucet and get another 100 satoshis on  another account (tested on my main and bank account).

 

Okay now, imagine someone with 10 accounts on stake. Let's say he / she  got 10k satoshis and he wants to abuse faucet. How? 

Well as we know, one account can claim up to 20 faucets a day which is 2000 satoshis (this is for 1 account), let's say he got 10 accounts (even though I'm pretty sure these faucet abusers have more than 10 accounts). And if one account already reached it's limit, he can use another account and still get 100 satoshis. And that's it he got at least 20k satoshis a day which is 600k a month just by tipping each accounts with his 10k. 

 

Basically it works like this :

Account X claims faucet, then Account Z (with 10k sats) tip 10k to account X and Account X tip back 10100 to Account Z and then reclaim the faucet and so on and so on with the rest of his alts.

But then what if he can't tip if he don't depo? Then he can't abuse the faucet right? I'm pretty sure though that he / she  won't depo to all of his accounts (due to fees, etc).

 

Please, correct me if I'm wrong  

 

 

[efeygeegee15]

owwwwww. alright @wilberthh i know it now  i know about the faucet but i dont know about that tipping each other with alts. i haven't done it yet so i dont know it  sorry.

[Phanxuanbang]

It hard with new member like me. Have to deposit if  i want to recieve tip. Just confused if they want to share their love . Faucet abuse i agree . Lock the faucet but enable tipping please. Sorry if my english bad

[akki785]

@wilberthh How can anyone claim 20 times a day..?? Because your balance should be zero to make a claim. And everytime if your balance remains zero before claim, then how can someone gathers 2000sat after the end of the day..?? Correct me if I wrong..

Sorry I didn't try this faucet thing yet. So, it's really confusing for me, this faucet abusing thing..

[wilberthh]

1 hour ago, wilberthh said:

Basically it works like this :

Account X claims faucet, then Account Z (with 10k sats) tip 10k to account X and Account X tip back 10100 to Account Z and then reclaim the faucet and so on and so on with the rest of his alts.

I think you should read this first @akki785. In order to abuse the faucet you need at least 10.000 satoshis. 

[akki785]

Okay, got it mate @wilberthh

[NatalyD]

22 hours ago, badger said:

Thought Id seen it all with the last faucet "issue". Players who don't deposit cant tip now... For the love of gawd, please tell me how this makes any sense at all. Somebody, anybody, especially you Dan, you always have some lame, non related reply that makes no sense. Im sure you can field this one. Stop blaming the faucet. Tipping, clearly has nothing to do with the faucet. Its not the faucets fault. Tipping is something people do because they want to. Who cares if they deposit or not. If my friend tips me 5 btc, and can because they've deposited, and I have not deposited and cant tip, why cant I send tips to my friends? And this isn't even the issue, per se. There isn't a valid reason. The faucet has nothing to do with tipping. Just get rid of the faucet already, if that is in fact a problem. I don't think anyone can claim it anyway. All I see in chat is fix the faucet. Stop trying to make weird senseless changes to try to fix the faucet abuse issue. Its absolutely mind blowing how these crazy solutions have really been implemented, more than once. Its hysterical. Stake is so lucky its players are tolerant of bs, because in real life, try telling people in a store that shoplifting is so out of control that shoppers are no longer allowed to buy presents for their friend they are shopping with. That would never happen. Why? Because it the most retarded idea in the history of the world. Knock it off Stake, please, I might die from laughing. Again. Dan, please defend Stakes position.

c?, Badger

 

 

@badger dear, there is no words better, great topic.

[Snike]

This is starting to turn into a war about faucet. @Dan time to release the wheel... 

No but seriously. Who really cares about tipping when you didnt depo once. I never deposited my own money on stake. I withdrew like 0.008 and redepo'ed the same amount and now I can tip and stuff. So just let stake do their thing and live on the dream of free money!

[badger]

thank you miss D 

 

 

 

i think if you had a vote, everyone would rather have tipping for everybody and no faucet. i could be wrong, but i doubt it. seriously, get rid of the faucet already. its tiny, support and mods tip enuf if u were new you would prob get a tip from them to try the games. and there are no laws requiring Stake to have a faucet. Unlike laws that require not being in the U.S to depo. the priority should be the players, not the scammers. 

[skywallkee]

It actually has to do with tipping! What if I'd make two accounts (or I and one friend) and everytime I claim the faucet, I just send it to my other account. You would be able to make a lot of coins in this way. But think it in another perspective. What if I make more than two accounts? Like 10 and transfer the faucet to my account. I would make 1k satoshis in a shot. In a day I would be able to make at least 10k satoshis. But what if I'd make a bot, that makes accounts and transfers faucet from them as fast as possible? I'd be able to make more than 1 BTC a day. That's why you should first deposit in order to be able to tip, to prevent doing such  things. Even if it is not a permanent solution, it works somehow. Besides that, what is bothering you when it comes to tipping after deposit? It is actually very logic. Faucet is ONLY for testing the site, not for making profit/withdrawing it, so why would you tip the faucet to others? If you didn't deposit, then you can't have money on your account, right? That's why you should have deposited first in order to tip, because you shouldn't be allowed to tip faucet. It is very logical. I don't get your frustration at all.

[skywallkee]

2 minutes ago, Furlicious said:

yes, i was advised to refresh during my game round but after i refreshed , it became 3 mines game! Or 3 blind mice! Lmao

Does this make any sense to you? When u played 8 mines and won only ×2.35?? 

Lol! U try and let us know if its possible 

It is possible, but it is bannable, so why would I try?... That's why they are called faucet farmers, because they farm on alternate accounts faucets and send them all on the main account and so they get huge profit and they need to be catched before they withdraw as they do money for doing nothing. This ain't gambling, it's called thief.

[wry]

6 hours ago, wilberthh said:

Basically it works like this :

Account X claims faucet, then Account Z (with 10k sats) tip 10k to account X and Account X tip back 10100 to Account Z and then reclaim the faucet and so on and so on with the rest of his alts.

But then what if he can't tip if he don't depo? Then he can't abuse the faucet right? I'm pretty sure though that he / she  won't depo to all of his accounts (due to fees, etc).

Please, correct me if I'm wrong  

Thanks for laying this out!  They would have to set up emails for each of their accounts and be captcha filling out machines but I see now how they could take Stake for a fair amount of coin over time, especially if they could beat the captcha somehow.   However, it would seem this pattern of behavior would be easy to spot and stop.

More importantly, this still doesn't explain why the change wasn't announced or explained.