Rigged? Server seed fails to match hash

[Dexthesexx]

so I’ve come across this video let me know what you guys think! 
Video shows: server seed does not match provided hash! 
so I went to export my bet archive onto json and realised that some bets states false.

I’m no expert hence hoping to get some clarity and opinion on this.

[Takadhun]

Hmmm. Interesting! 

I did notice inconsistencies on slots, as experience and feel for the game somehow isn’t right at times, like today. Esp when you only play like 2-3 slots regardless if won or lost. But yeah! Sometimes i do feel something’s not right. I’m sure we’ll get an explanation from them. 

[skywallkee]

I'm not sure why you're getting the false response, but I've checked it myself on the same website you've done it and it displays true for me, and if I check it on Stake it seems to be the right output. I suggest trying again, or someone else trying too, maybe one of us did it wrong.

I'll leave here the data, as I had to copy write it by hand from the video, so others might not have the patience to do so:

Client seed: 9e6cc206625fa0ed

Server seed: a69eb6bcf7d33f78138699874a4d5f7016a4c648deca14f966cb3408e3bf812e

Server hash: 0dc6a81a14947bce7fb41a68f9ef388ab5e6d06c1c13319ea78c0c7c27d5e3db

Nonce: 42422

Also, there is one tool on the forum that does all the verifying by itself (some browser addon), which might come in handy if you want to check every single bet you make

I suggest trying again, there might've been some problem when you did it the first time, but don't rush as it's a serious accusation.

[jordyjordy]

3 hours ago, Takadhun said:

Hmmm. Interesting! 

I did notice inconsistencies on slots, as experience and feel for the game somehow isn’t right at times, like today. Esp when you only play like 2-3 slots regardless if won or lost. But yeah! Sometimes i do feel something’s not right. I’m sure we’ll get an explanation from them. 

They can't rig provider slots unless they are cracked games, but there is something not right about stake original games for sure.

[ByteMeTwice]

it's not something that i pay much notice to. Maybe I should pay more attention.

 

But I would hate to think that a site that relies a great deal on provably fair, (and takes a lot of time & effort to reassure players on the integrity of provably fair), have system that doesn't work properly at best, or is abused & manipulated at worst.

Hopefully an explanation will come sooner rather than later.

 

[1UnLuckyGambler]

well I used to stream for stake and one time I was playing plinko at $10 ball and hit a 130X that never got credited. Was recording session to put on youtube so was able to prove it and was credited the 1300 from the affiliate manager. Also, and prob more relevent....I was thinking about opening a casino an was in talks with one of white-label crypto software porivders on telegram and still have the screen shot when he said, "provability can be skewed...." 

 

which was weird.

[Log]

Yeah, Stake is legit. That guy is just a major degen lol.l

[ByteMeTwice]

One of the things that absolutely piss me off is being ignored and not getting any answers to perfectly pertinent questions.

Ignored == Eddie does this every Saturday on the giveaway stream.

No answers ==  approx 60 hrs since this thread began and not a word from anyone in authority.  One of the dev's was just on stake chat. chatting away there, having great fun.  But when i asked him about this thread he acted like a tree and decided to leaf (leave).

We're all grown up's here, so there's no need to bury our heads in the sand hoping it will go away.

the longer it takes to get an explanation, the less it is likely to be credible.

(there goes any tips or rain for the next 6 months)

 

60 hours is wrong and an exaggeration it has been 48 hours

[bitblogger]

Idk honestly Stake is the only casino I've played on that I absolutely trust. That's statement does not come easy,nice played on alot of casino but stake just does it right and I trust Eddie and how transparent they are. Now I didn't run any numbers but it there was a mistake then I wouldn't doubt it being a software issue def not intentional in my opinion

[dupeddonk]

Here's the bet:

 

LIMBO: 41,586,212,444

placed by manazirneo on 17/04/2021

Wagered

0.00642400

Multiplier

0x

Profit

-0.00642400

server seed: a69eb6bcf7d33f78138699874a4d5f7016a4c648deca14f966cb3408e3bf812e

server seed hash: 0dc6a81a14947bce7fb41a68f9ef388ab5e6d06c1c13319ea78c0c7c27d5e3db

 

You can easily generate the hash of any string from your terminal or with an online tool like https://emn178.github.io/online-tools/sha256.html

sha256(a69eb6bcf7d33f78138699874a4d5f7016a4c648deca14f966cb3408e3bf812e)

returns 

0dc6a81a14947bce7fb41a68f9ef388ab5e6d06c1c13319ea78c0c7c27d5e3db

So the video is wrong.  The hashed server seed displayed by stake is the actual sha256 hash of the server seed.

We can see the entire server seed and hashed server seed in the video, and they match the bet history on stake.  However, when he goes to verify the bet, both are cut off.  Therefore, the most likely explanation is that the hashed server seed was not copy and pasted exactly from stake to the bet verifier.

screen shot from video of both the server seed and hashed server seed cut off:

Also wanted to add that if you want to verify a provably fair site, you need to take note of the hashed server seed before you place the bet.  If stake were doing what this guy was implying they did, they could easily just wait till he placed the bet, then determine the server seed (pick one that makes him lose) and then display the hashed value of that seed for him to verify afterwards. It wouldn't make sense for them to display wrong hashed value afterwards, whether they were cheating or not.

The reason it's provably fair is the casino has to choose the server seed and provide it's hash before a bet is placed.  This allows the player to then check afterwards to make sure the server seed was not changed.

Hope that makes sense.

[ByteMeTwice]

1 hour ago, dupeddonk said:

Here's the bet:

 

LIMBO: 41,586,212,444

placed by manazirneo on 17/04/2021

Wagered

0.00642400

Multiplier

0x

Profit

-0.00642400

server seed: a69eb6bcf7d33f78138699874a4d5f7016a4c648deca14f966cb3408e3bf812e

server seed hash: 0dc6a81a14947bce7fb41a68f9ef388ab5e6d06c1c13319ea78c0c7c27d5e3db

 

You can easily generate the hash of any string from your terminal or with an online tool like https://emn178.github.io/online-tools/sha256.html

sha256(a69eb6bcf7d33f78138699874a4d5f7016a4c648deca14f966cb3408e3bf812e)

returns 

0dc6a81a14947bce7fb41a68f9ef388ab5e6d06c1c13319ea78c0c7c27d5e3db

So the video is wrong.  The hashed server seed displayed by stake is the actual sha256 hash of the server seed.

We can see the entire server seed and hashed server seed in the video, and they match the bet history on stake.  However, when he goes to verify the bet, both are cut off.  Therefore, the most likely explanation is that the hashed server seed was not copy and pasted exactly from stake to the bet verifier.

screen shot from video of both the server seed and hashed server seed cut off:

Also wanted to add that if you want to verify a provably fair site, you need to take note of the hashed server seed before you place the bet.  If stake were doing what this guy was implying they did, they could easily just wait till he placed the bet, then determine the server seed (pick one that makes him lose) and then display the hashed value of that seed for him to verify afterwards. It wouldn't make sense for them to display wrong hashed value afterwards, whether they were cheating or not.

The reason it's provably fair is the casino has to choose the server seed and provide it's hash before a bet is placed.  This allows the player to then check afterwards to make sure the server seed was not changed.

Hope that makes sense.

I Can't say That I completely understand everything @dupeddonk But I'm certainly satisfied that there was no manipulation by Stake and the video has been cleverly edited in an attempt to make the ordinary punter believe there is something under-handed going on.

But why Stake didn't come out and explain what went on sooner, only added smoke to the fire when this could have been put to bed immediately, instead of causing more speculation.

Thanks @dupeddonk for taking the time to explain in detail and for finally putting an end to these spurious allegations. 

I sincerely hope the people involved are made an example of.

Good Luck

[dupeddonk]

4 minutes ago, ByteMeTwice said:

I Can't say That I completely understand everything @dupeddonk But I'm certainly satisfied that there was no manipulation by Stake and the video has been cleverly edited in an attempt to make the ordinary punter believe there is something under-handed going on.

 

Can't say for sure he intentionally changed the end of the hashed seed.  When you're verifying hashes everything has to be exactly the same, and when you can't see the whole input field it's very easy to not realize you messed something up.  He could have pasted the hashed server seed twice or included a leading or trailing white space and not realized it.  Everything in the video other than showing the error was irrelevant nonsense though, which makes me think you might be right.

[Rozimiko]

try again..

[ZeroRaine]

I highly doubt stake is a scam site, at this point they would have way too much investment, marketing, etc.. to lose just to scam a few dollars off us.  That being said, it certainly does feel sometimes like some the stake originals have an AI Learning Algo meshed into the code of the RNG.  It certainly feels like the games pattern and assault you.  It's just way to convenient that you play the same patter 120 times and never get the outcome you are looking for, but instantly when you break from the pattern BAM, how unfortunate for you there it was, it just hit...I don't believe so, and personally I have had it happen numerous times.  However, being scammed, is not something I would say has happened to me here at Stake.

[KyberSoze]

I agree that the Stake Originals seem a bit iffy, but other than that, everything else feels legit and I personally haven't had any issues with bets or withdrawals. Even managed to turn $250 to $6000 in one night, then immediately transferred it out without issue.

[ZeroRaine]

For sure, and at other places, with their setups that allow you to break the rules so they can point it out later, and days or months of waiting to withdraw, or so much red tape and hoops its nearly impossible all make stake seem that much more Legit to me at least.  I have done a few withdraws myself, nothing massive, just in the thousands range, but my money was at coinbase within the hour, and in my BA by the next 25mins.  

[micro2macro]

Have you noticed on Limbo. Stick the multiplier to 500. Do 200 bets. No win. Change the multiplier to 2.

NEXT BET is 500x.

 

Funny that hey

I've also had $50 just disappear out of my balance while I'm just sat there looking at the screen doing nothing.

I've also had wins on Plinko not credited. When doing a swarm of Plinko bets of various sizes. First the high stake Plinko bets don't even show up in the history. Then they start showing up but no credit for the wins. 

Contacted support. They say NO ONE has ever said this has happened.  Yet look a few comments up. Apparently this DOES happen. 

Anyway. It's all fun. Right?!

[Dexthesexx]

so I’ve updated on some issues I’ve faced in various stake original games in my latest comment on this link as well.

I have no idea what’s going on with stake originals but there’s something weird going on there.
 

[dupeddonk]

30 minutes ago, Dexthesexx said:

so I’ve updated on some issues I’ve faced in various stake original games in my latest comment on this link as well.

I have no idea what’s going on with stake originals but there’s something weird going on there.
 

- Sometimes crash lags, but it will always cash you out at whatever you set it to before you place the bet and if the bets a winner, you will be paid.

- The video you posted (and the title of this thread) is deceptive nonsense that proves literally nothing.

[fossyfan]

I have experienced certain times what I think could not be like on games likes mines and hilo , most days I easily make 3,4 correct and some day whatever I pick is always wrong on the first attempt as if that seed is changing answers after I pick that's what I felt , however I try the same thing another day new seed and than the avg returns to normal bomb after 3,4 on certain settings so yes felt it was rigged and than again won so what I would say is don't play if you feel that way if not be like me start if you get that feeling leave the game try another day maybe it's all luck maybe something wrong can never know for sure.

And I mostly bet on sports so doesn't matter much to me anyways.

[vojtech5]

I mean getting angry because loosing in casino ? Casino has always odds in favour, from my point of view is only about getting higher VIP level or ultra lucky  and my hash is always fine, maybe just random glitch?

[Fabi]

Sometimes stake is a bit rigged but for sure not a scam.