If that's normal, I am a saint

[scrollingdown]

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[xanela]

RIP dude. Lose streaks be like.

[v1rtu0s]

Have a similar experience with hacksaw games. Last 30 buys not one green. Honestly, how are these bonus buys not scam?

[martypellow]

They are a scam that's why hardly anyone allows bonus buys anymore. 

[scrollingdown]

@Ghostnipple @martypellow 

oh yeah, thats true. The main thing is how a game can be that bad where a normal player like me got literally scammed in 21 out 22 buys. 
I was reading about this in news, serious countries doesn't allow it anymore, and they have differently reasons to ban it. The concept of buying a feature where the break even is the multiplier the game averages in a bonus is kinda sketchy.

[Arcxdock1]

9 hours ago, xanela said:

RIP dude. Lose streaks be like.

nEGATIVE LOSE STREAKS ON SLOTS WITHOUT PROGRESSIVE THAT CLAIM 96% RTP do not occur like that . Maybe in a circus to bozo the clown but negative that is complete trash !!!!!!!!!!!

[Saphir3]

hacksaw gaming is not paying this days, always wiping all balances. gotta do something about this one

[dupeddonk]

32 minutes ago, Arcxdock1 said:

nEGATIVE LOSE STREAKS ON SLOTS WITHOUT PROGRESSIVE THAT CLAIM 96% RTP do not occur like that . Maybe in a circus to bozo the clown but negative that is complete trash !!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, they do.  Profiting only one out of 20 bonus buys sucks but it isn't crazy bad or anything.  I've had a 25x and 30x win on Fire Hopper and seen multiple 50x bonus buy wins - those wouldn't be possible without the possibility of 20+ losing streaks.

 

[scrollingdown]

2 hours ago, Arcxdock1 said:

nEGATIVE LOSE STREAKS ON SLOTS WITHOUT PROGRESSIVE THAT CLAIM 96% RTP do not occur like that . Maybe in a circus to bozo the clown but negative that is complete trash !!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed. If the game appears 96% RTP is okay, but this? The "potential" of the machine is in the bonus, but 22 of them paying 1-2 USD from a 25$ bonus buy? (124.5x)

[PaScal161616]

2 hours ago, scrollingdown said:

Agreed. If the game appears 96% RTP is okay, but this? The "potential" of the machine is in the bonus, but 22 of them paying 1-2 USD from a 25$ bonus buy? (124.5x)

This pretty much sums up my past 3 months. Ive forgotten what its like to see a positive bankroll. Despite losing, it can (sometimes) still be enjoyable to play. But this is is no longer the case. Someone once said "you can shear a sheep many times, but skin him only once." Well, lets just say I've been skinned. So, I've pretty well stopped playing because its not very enjoyable to lose so consistently. 

[Nostalgic]

that's straight up scam, in what world is that legal? i've had similar experiences on hacksaw and push gaming bonus buys but never this bad. providers like them hide too much behind the word "volatile".

[Arcxdock1]

9 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

Yes, they do.  Profiting only one out of 20 bonus buys sucks but it isn't crazy bad or anything.  I've had a 25x and 30x win on Fire Hopper and seen multiple 50x bonus buy wins - those wouldn't be possible without the possibility of 20+ losing streaks.

 

Negative not with a 96.4 RTP%  & without a progressive . Any real RNG slot machine using casino standard algorithm  (class 11 & class 111),  we all know class 1 would be gaming at your local church , bingo hall.

As i was saying anytime you have a RTP%  96.4 w/o  a progressive on a real slot machine the results are extremely different .   

I can upload a video of these and me changing the rtp% as high as 96.4%  ( gameking , jademonkey , aristocrat buffaloes)   and switching it to as low as 83% and you will see true rtp% gameplay.

Theres zero chance the 96.4% rtp is even close , like i said this can be manipulated by giving a shill or streamer some ridiculous bonus buy win but when comparing rtp% to real slot manufacturers i.e  (BALLYS,ARISTOCRAT,etc etc  the difference is very ez 2 see )

[sourav14447]

trash slots 

[dupeddonk]

34 minutes ago, Arcxdock1 said:

Negative not with a 96.4 RTP%  & without a progressive . Any real RNG slot machine using casino standard algorithm  (class 11 & class 111),  we all know class 1 would be gaming at your local church , bingo hall.

As i was saying anytime you have a RTP%  96.4 w/o  a progressive on a real slot machine the results are extremely different .   

I can upload a video of these and me changing the rtp% as high as 96.4%  ( gameking , jademonkey , aristocrat buffaloes)   and switching it to as low as 83% and you will see true rtp% gameplay.

Theres zero chance the 96.4% rtp is even close , like i said this can be manipulated by giving a shill or streamer some ridiculous bonus buy win but when comparing rtp% to real slot manufacturers i.e  (BALLYS,ARISTOCRAT,etc etc  the difference is very ez 2 see )

You can't determine what the rtp is or isn't from 20 bets.  For a volatile slot you need hundreds of thousands, and even then you're still going to have a decent margin of error.

[XeroF]

I dont know, lately I had some sick bad streaks aswell. Wanted duel bonus is unreal for me. Must have had like 50 in a row that has not paid buy in  mainly only pay 1 buck on 20 buy or something like that. Just hoping to hit that 5 vs one day!  

[skrubreker]

slots are doodoo lmao what do you expect?

[scrollingdown]

6 hours ago, Arcxdock1 said:

Negative not with a 96.4 RTP%  & without a progressive . Any real RNG slot machine using casino standard algorithm  (class 11 & class 111),  we all know class 1 would be gaming at your local church , bingo hall.

As i was saying anytime you have a RTP%  96.4 w/o  a progressive on a real slot machine the results are extremely different .   

I can upload a video of these and me changing the rtp% as high as 96.4%  ( gameking , jademonkey , aristocrat buffaloes)   and switching it to as low as 83% and you will see true rtp% gameplay.

Theres zero chance the 96.4% rtp is even close , like i said this can be manipulated by giving a shill or streamer some ridiculous bonus buy win but when comparing rtp% to real slot manufacturers i.e  (BALLYS,ARISTOCRAT,etc etc  the difference is very ez 2 see )

Yes, I can see a really strange difference between real slot manufacturers and online slot providers, it doesn't feel the RTP is what it really says there.

6 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

You can't determine what the rtp is or isn't from 20 bets.  For a volatile slot you need hundreds of thousands, and even then you're still going to have a decent margin of error.

The RTP is calculated in 10 billion game rounds, yes it's not possible to determine in 20 games, but in 20 bonuses AKA bonus buys, I don't know. It all sound really sketchy from scratch.

[dupeddonk]

34 minutes ago, scrollingdown said:

yes it's not possible to determine in 20 games, but in 20 bonuses AKA bonus buys, I don't know.

I do: it's not.

And calculating an ROI based on how it seems while you're playing is just silly (although not as silly as concluding that somehow streamers are causing you to lose).  Naturally everyones emotions will create a bias.

[Arcxdock1]

6 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

I do: it's not.

And calculating an ROI based on how it seems while you're playing is just silly (although not as silly as concluding that somehow streamers are causing you to lose).  Naturally everyones emotions will create a bias.

NOBODY SAID ITS POSSIBLE FROM 20 SPINS ,BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THAT RTP% OF 96.4 IS FRAUDULENT WHEN COMPARED TO (CLASS 11 &111 FROM PROFFESIONAL SLOT MAKERS).  SLOTS WITH OUT PROGRESSIVE WITH RTP% OF 96.4 % CAN EASILY BE DISTINGUSHED FROM SAME SLOT WHEN ITS SET TO ITS LOWEST ( FOR EXAMPLE GAMEKING CAVEMAN KENO YOU CAN SET AS LOW AS 83% HIGH AS 94% AND PLAYING JUST $100 YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE .

LIKE I SAID THE  ONLINE SLOT RTP%  CAN ALWAYS BE MANIPULATED TO LOOK LIKE 96.4% WITH ONE BIG WIN BY A SHILL OR STREAMER WHEN THE HASH /SEED IS MANIPULATED ON SERVER SIDE.

INSTEAD OF REGURGITATING WHAT IS SAID , I CAN UPLOAD VIDEO OF A REAL SLOT AND SHOW YOU THE SETTINGS WITH THE DOOR OPEN AND THE RTP % SET TO 94% AND UPLOAD ANOTHER VIDEO WITH SAME GAME SET TO ASLOW AS 83% AND WITH $100 IN SPINS YOU CAN SEE GAMEPLAY DIFFERENCE .

THIS AINT MAYBE OR SOME MYSTICAL DREAM THIS ACTUAL REAL SLOTS IN REAL CASINOS FROM PROFFESSIONAL SLOT MANUFACTURERS IE BALLYS ,ARISTOCRAT ,IGT ETC ETC .  

WHATS SILLY IS SOMEBODY THINKING THEY HAVE CLUE WHEN THEY DONT THATS JUST PATHETIC !!!!!!!

[scrollingdown]

5 hours ago, Arcxdock1 said:

NOBODY SAID ITS POSSIBLE FROM 20 SPINS ,BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THAT RTP% OF 96.4 IS FRAUDULENT WHEN COMPARED TO (CLASS 11 &111 FROM PROFFESIONAL SLOT MAKERS).  SLOTS WITH OUT PROGRESSIVE WITH RTP% OF 96.4 % CAN EASILY BE DISTINGUSHED FROM SAME SLOT WHEN ITS SET TO ITS LOWEST ( FOR EXAMPLE GAMEKING CAVEMAN KENO YOU CAN SET AS LOW AS 83% HIGH AS 94% AND PLAYING JUST $100 YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE .

LIKE I SAID THE  ONLINE SLOT RTP%  CAN ALWAYS BE MANIPULATED TO LOOK LIKE 96.4% WITH ONE BIG WIN BY A SHILL OR STREAMER WHEN THE HASH /SEED IS MANIPULATED ON SERVER SIDE.

INSTEAD OF REGURGITATING WHAT IS SAID , I CAN UPLOAD VIDEO OF A REAL SLOT AND SHOW YOU THE SETTINGS WITH THE DOOR OPEN AND THE RTP % SET TO 94% AND UPLOAD ANOTHER VIDEO WITH SAME GAME SET TO ASLOW AS 83% AND WITH $100 IN SPINS YOU CAN SEE GAMEPLAY DIFFERENCE .

THIS AINT MAYBE OR SOME MYSTICAL DREAM THIS ACTUAL REAL SLOTS IN REAL CASINOS FROM PROFFESSIONAL SLOT MANUFACTURERS IE BALLYS ,ARISTOCRAT ,IGT ETC ETC .  

WHATS SILLY IS SOMEBODY THINKING THEY HAVE CLUE WHEN THEY DONT THATS JUST PATHETIC !!!!!!!

 
I watched this video once and took my conclusions. It's easily to make them rigged principally in a non high regulated casino space.

[Liar15]

Hope you stay healthy and keep the spirit of betting hehehe

[dupeddonk]

On 2/3/2022 at 7:41 PM, Arcxdock1 said:

NOBODY SAID ITS POSSIBLE FROM 20 SPINS ,BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THAT RTP% OF 96.4 IS FRAUDULENT WHEN COMPARED TO (CLASS 11 &111 FROM PROFFESIONAL SLOT MAKERS).  SLOTS WITH OUT PROGRESSIVE WITH RTP% OF 96.4 % CAN EASILY BE DISTINGUSHED FROM SAME SLOT WHEN ITS SET TO ITS LOWEST ( FOR EXAMPLE GAMEKING CAVEMAN KENO YOU CAN SET AS LOW AS 83% HIGH AS 94% AND PLAYING JUST $100 YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE .

LIKE I SAID THE  ONLINE SLOT RTP%  CAN ALWAYS BE MANIPULATED TO LOOK LIKE 96.4% WITH ONE BIG WIN BY A SHILL OR STREAMER WHEN THE HASH /SEED IS MANIPULATED ON SERVER SIDE.

INSTEAD OF REGURGITATING WHAT IS SAID , I CAN UPLOAD VIDEO OF A REAL SLOT AND SHOW YOU THE SETTINGS WITH THE DOOR OPEN AND THE RTP % SET TO 94% AND UPLOAD ANOTHER VIDEO WITH SAME GAME SET TO ASLOW AS 83% AND WITH $100 IN SPINS YOU CAN SEE GAMEPLAY DIFFERENCE .

THIS AINT MAYBE OR SOME MYSTICAL DREAM THIS ACTUAL REAL SLOTS IN REAL CASINOS FROM PROFFESSIONAL SLOT MANUFACTURERS IE BALLYS ,ARISTOCRAT ,IGT ETC ETC .  

WHATS SILLY IS SOMEBODY THINKING THEY HAVE CLUE WHEN THEY DONT THATS JUST PATHETIC !!!!!!!

Nobody is saying it's impossible that they're rigged.  Of course it's possible.  We don't know, they're non transparent 3rd party slots, which is why your claim is bullshit.

My only point was that showing a bet history of 19 losses and 1 win means literally nothing as far as evidence of what the RTP is.  Every rigtard thinks they have proof it's rigged after they go on a losing streak. 

 

 

[Arcxdock1]

7 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

Nobody is saying it's impossible that they're rigged.  Of course it's possible.  We don't know, they're non transparent 3rd party slots, which is why your claim is bullshit.

My only point was that showing a bet history of 19 losses and 1 win means literally nothing as far as evidence of what the RTP is.  Every rigtard thinks they have proof it's rigged after they go on a losing streak. 

 

 

Either way the 3rd party slots rtp% is set by site , because if it was not how would the site be the ones to pay that out not the 3rd party.

Wan slots in land based casinos are set by manufacturer and linked to other slots in other casinos. The land based casino charges those slot owners rent on space occupied on the floor .

It would absolutely riddiculous to believe the 3rd party slot manufacturer rtp% could not be controlled it would have to be controlled by the site !!!!

The average land based casino slot non progressive pays at 94% ,they rarely offer bonus buys but to have 1 win in the green out of 20 bonus buys clearly is not a one time deal . I have had it happened numerous times on numerous slots .  

The factor that really is the tell tale sign of why the rtp% has to be manipulated is BTC /Crypto currency price fluctuation.

The other factor is you have streamer/owners which are commonly referred to as shills and the action between there gameplay which clearly is house money since they part owners is set to create excitement .

I  have never seen a streamer have 100-150 spins in a row without  a win that equals there bet ,meanwhile i have had this happen dozens of times!!! 

The fact is the rtp% is not correct it cant be , because the crypto fluctuation would destroy a legit casinos profits .

The rtp% can be altered to look  that way with one huge win by streamer/owner for instance .

Reality is proffesional slot manufacturers rtp% and rng algorithm coupled by hit rate are all very consistent

and when played at different RTP% paybacks a person can see a clear difference on just $100 nine out of 10 times .

These rtp% /hit rate is 2% higher and the play is no where near what a professional slot manufacture (ballys ,igt,bluebird )   claiming 96% and land based avg is 94% . When the variance is set at 94% when you open the machine and switch to 84% which is lowest $100 in play shows a wide variance and ez to spot!!!!!!!

[dupeddonk]

47 minutes ago, Arcxdock1 said:

Either way the 3rd party slots rtp% is set by site , because if it was not how would the site be the ones to pay that out not the 3rd party.

That's true for some slots to some degree.  Most games can be configured by a Casino in a few different ways: what the denominations are, whether bonus buys are available, Max and Min bet, Volatility,  and sometimes they can set the RTP - but it's usually within a small window.

According to Push Gamings website, Firehopper ranges from 95.39% to 96.57% rtp.  

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The average land based casino slot non progressive pays at 94% ,they rarely offer bonus buys but to have 1 win in the green out of 20 bonus buys clearly is not a one time deal . I have had it happened numerous times on numerous slots .  

There are many slots with a hit rate of less than 10%.  Hit rate refers to any hit, so a 0.1 x is considered a hit.  On a 10% hit rate slot, each spin there's a 90% chance you are going to win 0x. 

0.9 ^ 20 = 0.122

That means on a 10% hit rate slot there's a ~12% chance that you're going to spin 20 0x's in a row 

Now, what you're talking about is actually profiting.  Which, on a volatile slot, is going to be much lower than the hit rate.  

What % chance do you think you should be profiting on a bonus buy?

[iulianbutanu]

On 2/3/2022 at 3:10 AM, dupeddonk said:

Yes, they do.  Profiting only one out of 20 bonus buys sucks but it isn't crazy bad or anything.  I've had a 25x and 30x win on Fire Hopper and seen multiple 50x bonus buy wins - those wouldn't be possible without the possibility of 20+ losing streaks.

 

Everyone is saying volatility is great. I think there is nothing great about it or at least how hacksaw is doing it.