mementomori Posted July 31, 2022 #26 Posted July 31, 2022 I have to say that I'm really shocked this topic wasn't completely ignored and actually got a response from Eddie. I know you guys are busy, but you should take like 20-30 minutes of your life, browse the forum and respond to threads that ask real questions. It might help to build more trust. 1 hour ago, ByteMeTwice said: OK... I've been advised not to make anymore comments about this, formal complaints (many of them) will be instigated in the next few days & it would be imprudent of me to discuss these in public. I will update when it OK to do so, But I imagine this thread, and Me, will both have been removed by then 💣 You were advised to not make anymore comments about this? Who told you that if I may ask?
Ath3na Posted July 31, 2022 #27 Posted July 31, 2022 Thanks @Edward for taking the time to explain this to everyone. Its really common of large sites to use these kind of tools for behavior analytics in order to improve customer experience. I do have a question, are these sessions that are being recorded for UX also being stored somewhere in a database? Are there any other teams looking into these sessions i.e. data analytics? What exactly is being tracked and shown to the team who's watching the sessions (i.e. are they seeing username of player? are they seeing the balance or any unique identifier that would single them out individually?) Thanks for your time. Ath3na
btcc2 Posted July 31, 2022 #28 Posted July 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, Edward said: Fullstory is used as a way of further improving the user experience of a website. It's used to understand where users have issues navigating & then subsequently improve it. It's one of the reasons you'll find Stake is so well designed & easy to navigate. You can find more information on their website: https://www.fullstory.com/ If it's something you want to block, you can do so quite easily. A Google search returned this result https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/block-fullstory/apfboaiabkghjhnkgjibfhnjifmddikl?hl=en Such lovely explanation from beloved edward. Such a polite person :p There are hundreds off free tools available to block such web tracking scripts and issues. Also people can use a VPN if they really need to hide their identity Use a browser like brave/duckduck to auto get builtin blocking system for these unwanted tracking for you. Also Vivaldi is a great browser to customize your own privacy and experience. Now go, use Stake happily Still not happy? just leave it with us
ByteMeTwice Posted July 31, 2022 Author #29 Posted July 31, 2022 48 minutes ago, Edward said: Fullstory is used as a way of further improving the user experience of a website. It's used to understand where users have issues navigating & then subsequently improve it. It's one of the reasons you'll find Stake is so well designed & easy to navigate. You can find more information on their website: https://www.fullstory.com/ If it's something you want to block, you can do so quite easily. A Google search returned this result https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/block-fullstory/apfboaiabkghjhnkgjibfhnjifmddikl?hl=en Edward, you had absolutely no business, or authority to attach this, or any other type of spyware without my express permission. You will also find this information on the fullstory website ! Good to see you finally stopped ignoring me after 3 years though.
ByteMeTwice Posted July 31, 2022 Author #30 Posted July 31, 2022 39 minutes ago, mementomori said: I have to say that I'm really shocked this topic wasn't completely ignored and actually got a response from Eddie. I know you guys are busy, but you should take like 20-30 minutes of your life, browse the forum and respond to threads that ask real questions. It might help to build more trust. You were advised to not make anymore comments about this? Who told you that if I may ask? NO you may not !
ByteMeTwice Posted July 31, 2022 Author #32 Posted July 31, 2022 Just now, mementomori said: Interesting. Why do you need to know where I get my advice or information ? Do you work for Stake ? Do you work for Fullstory ? Do you know anything about me at all ?
mementomori Posted July 31, 2022 #33 Posted July 31, 2022 Just now, ByteMeTwice said: Why do you need to know where I get my advice or information ? Do you work for Stake ? Do you work for Fullstory ? Do you know anything about me at all ? I was just wondering, sorry lol. No No and no.
hhhh32 Posted July 31, 2022 #34 Posted July 31, 2022 Does every stake user has this cookie enabled on his webpage?
ByteMeTwice Posted July 31, 2022 Author #35 Posted July 31, 2022 38 minutes ago, hhhh32 said: Does every stake user has this cookie enabled on his webpage? I don't think everyone has this enabled, though I could be wrong Google privacy badger, this will show you if you are or not Good Luck
Revenant Posted July 31, 2022 #36 Posted July 31, 2022 No worries for me my account always zero balance 😂😂
Notnick3 Posted July 31, 2022 #37 Posted July 31, 2022 @Edward stop lying bro. We all know once this tool was deployed yall can now see what mine im about to click and rig the seed before i click it. Same thing with hilo you guys now know if I’m about to click higher or lower and rig the PF
ByteMeTwice Posted July 31, 2022 Author #38 Posted July 31, 2022 33 minutes ago, Notnick3 said: @Edward stop lying bro. We all know once this tool was deployed yall can now see what mine im about to click and rig the seed before i click it. Same thing with hilo you guys now know if I’m about to click higher or lower and rig the PF yer not as far away as you think @Notnick3 they can see what you are clicking and what you type in the various boxes etc. Even if you change your mind and change bet, they can see this and know what you typed first, and what you changed to. So, actually, yeah, it's possible to see your bet before you actually place it (if you're being watched live) Unlike Cookies, This Spyware can identify who has made or making the clicks and typing. It is also possible to follow you to other sites. Stake & @Edward will deny this, but the actual user guide on fullstory says that you must not use it for this purpose. That tells me that you can ! This is making me fuckin LIVID, a site that built it's reputation on privacy has stooped so low as to SPY on it's own players. It Doesn't matter if they promise not to follow me through the internet or not. What Does matter, is they have tools enabled that will allow them to do so should they decide to. This is not going to go away quietly, or indeed, anytime soon !! "Session replay tools should not track users’ activities across the internet. They’re only meant for recording and replaying sessions on specific sections of your website. Therefore, session replay tools should not be used for advertising purposes, like the retargeting of ads".
dupeddonk Posted August 1, 2022 #39 Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, ByteMeTwice said: yer not as far away as you think @Notnick3 they can see what you are clicking and what you type in the various boxes etc. Even if you change your mind and change bet, they can see this and know what you typed first, and what you changed to. So, actually, yeah, it's possible to see your bet before you actually place it (if you're being watched live) The outcomes are determined when you choose your seed, not when you make your bet. You understand they can only track what you do while you're using their site right? The browser only passes on any info for for active tabs/windows. The cookie they use is being used by literally millions of websites that aren't being sued for using them. Websites much bigger than stake (and smaller). And fullstory session replay cookies have been around for 5+ years. Fun fact: Anytime you use live chat on pretty much any site, assume they can see every letter you type as you type, even if you delete it and type something else before sending. They all have an option in the software to see your typing live and I've heard it's very unlikely a site disables it.
ByteMeTwice Posted August 1, 2022 Author #40 Posted August 1, 2022 36 minutes ago, dupeddonk said: The outcomes are determined when you choose your seed, not when you make your bet. You understand they can only track what you do while you're using their site right? The browser only passes on any info for for active tabs/windows. The cookie they use is being used by literally millions of websites that aren't being sued for using them. Websites much bigger than stake (and smaller). The outcomes of the bet are not in question here. Sorry i'm not looking for patterns 🙈. Where we also disagree here is your perception that they can only track while i'm using their site. As I stated before, whether they follow me off the site or not is of no interest to me. The point that they can do if they wish, is very concerning (see Bolded paragraph in my above post). I have many other concerns (not connected to fullstory) which I will request Stake to address themselves. This latest complete and utter disregard to customer privacy and the laws concerning these, are just the tip of the iceberg. I notice also, you fail to mention the major websites (wallgreens etc) who have stopped using fullstory for exactly the same thing.. Fear for the safety of customer privacy. Oh, one more thing @dupeddonk Please don't trivialize this issue by referring to fullstory as a cookie. It is nothing less than SPYWARE.. cookies don't identify the user. Fullstory most certainly does. Lastly.. sorry just noticed this... No-one has mentioned anything here about anyone getting sued. In my experience, that is the least attractive option, and (in another life) one I would have usually advised, should only be used as a last resort. There are many, many other ways..
dupeddonk Posted August 1, 2022 #41 Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, ByteMeTwice said: Where we also disagree here is your perception that they can only track while i'm using their site. As I stated before, whether they follow me off the site or not is of no interest to me. The point that they can do if they wish, is very concerning (see Bolded paragraph in my above post). No, a first party cookie, which is what the cookie we're talking about is, does not have access to anything you do while the site it lives on is inactive. The cookie can't even tell what other cookies from other sites are saved in the same browser. You must have the site active, with your mouse or cursor targeted to the site, for the cookie to track anything from your mouse or keyboard or any other network calls made by the site. The browser is what protects our device from the internet. The big issue in the article you posted was about them having access to information you put into the website with the cookie. Not other websites. That's because it can see your keystrokes, so there's nothing that can be hidden, but only when you're on their page. The example was Walgreens management being able to see what drugs their customers order from the Walgreens pharmacy pharmacy and then targeting them with certain ads based on that. A site keeping track of what games you play on their platform is different. Either way, good rule: If you go to a website and click on it and type stuff, you should assume that website knows and has a record of exactly what you just did. 1 hour ago, ByteMeTwice said: Oh, one more thing @dupeddonk Please don't trivialize this issue by referring to fullstory as a cookie. It is nothing less than SPYWARE.. cookies don't identify the user. Fullstory most certainly does. Maybe it is Spyware, I don't know since I don't know what you think the definition of spyware is and I'm not aware of a universal explicit definition. But it's definitely a cookie. You can look up the definition of a cookie for yourself I'm sure.
ktinho Posted August 1, 2022 #42 Posted August 1, 2022 @dupeddonk it could be classed as spyware - if a person is unaware that it exists and is recording or watching their movements then it is spying! I guess if a person knows it is there then it can be classed as 'watchware!' not all services of this type - session recording - record keystrokes. It is a murky one.
ByteMeTwice Posted August 1, 2022 Author #43 Posted August 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, dupeddonk said: No, a first party cookie, which is what the cookie we're talking about is, does not have access to anything you do while the site it lives on is inactive. The cookie can't even tell what other cookies from other sites are saved in the same browser. You must have the site active, with your mouse or cursor targeted to the site, for the cookie to track anything from your mouse or keyboard or any other network calls made by the site. This is is because this fullstory is not a cookie. it is SPYWARE that can follow you from site to site.. A cookie can't do that. Please read this excerpt from fullstory user guide Again : 3 hours ago, ByteMeTwice said: "Session replay tools should not track users’ activities across the internet. They’re only meant for recording and replaying sessions on specific sections of your website. Therefore, session replay tools should not be used for advertising purposes, like the retargeting of ads". Now tell me that it can't follow me from site to site ?
ktinho Posted August 1, 2022 #44 Posted August 1, 2022 @ByteMeTwice How does FullStory handle multi-tab browsing sessions? When a single user has multiple tabs open, the pages within each tab generally show up in the same session. During playback, the pages are overlapping in time so they are spread out and ordered by the time they loaded. We'll play the first tab all the way through then jump back in time and play the next tab all the way through, etc. You can tell when this happens by switching the session timer to absolute time (click on it) — you’ll see time jump backwards at the beginning of each overlapping page. New tabs and new page loads are indicated with a blue page icon in the playback timeline. In this example, when you see the time change from ~3:59 PM back to ~3:54 PM, this indicates the end of the interactions in one tab and the beginning of the user interacting in a second tab. FullStory captures any browser tab where your site is open and our script is installed. This means you won't see a user's activity on other sites or in other apps. When a user has backgrounded your website, it appears as a dashed line. Once your user opens the tab in the foreground, the timeline becomes solid blue again. you can find this information in the support section of their website under 'getting started'. I was intrigued! so researched it.
dupeddonk Posted August 1, 2022 #45 Posted August 1, 2022 59 minutes ago, ByteMeTwice said: This is is because this fullstory is not a cookie. it is SPYWARE that can follow you from site to site.. A cookie can't do that. Is it a small text file that's saved in your browser in the cookies directory? Yes? Then it's a cookie. And no, it can't follow you from site to site. Third party cookies can do that, and they do. That's how twitter buttons work on any website as long as your logged in, for example. But this is a first party cookie. It doesn't work like that.
ktinho Posted August 1, 2022 #46 Posted August 1, 2022 @dupeddonk it is so infuriating when it only took me 30 seconds or so to find out the answer to " can FULLstory record all my tabs" Yet people who make these threads post reams and reams of information about a subject but always appear to miss the vital bit of information that answers their question!
ByteMeTwice Posted August 1, 2022 Author #47 Posted August 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, ktinho said: @dupeddonk it is so infuriating when it only took me 30 seconds or so to find out the answer to " can FULLstory record all my tabs" Yet people who make these threads post reams and reams of information about a subject but always appear to miss the vital bit of information that answers their question! Not sure what you mean by making threads and posting reams of Shit. I started this thread, but my complaint is that it is able to track and record my movements, I didn't see any need to do full indepth research about multi-browsers etc. But thanks for finding out and posting the details
dupeddonk Posted August 1, 2022 #48 Posted August 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, ktinho said: @dupeddonk it is so infuriating when it only took me 30 seconds or so to find out the answer to " can FULLstory record all my tabs" Yet people who make these threads post reams and reams of information about a subject but always appear to miss the vital bit of information that answers their question! If I had to guess, next is the double down on original claim without any rational explanation, more ambiguous claims of 'formal reports', and then I'll get some ad hominem attacks.
ByteMeTwice Posted August 1, 2022 Author #49 Posted August 1, 2022 44 minutes ago, dupeddonk said: Is it a small text file that's saved in your browser in the cookies directory? Yes? Then it's a cookie. And no, it can't follow you from site to site. Third party cookies can do that, and they do. That's how twitter buttons work on any website as long as your logged in, for example. But this is a first party cookie. It doesn't work like that. You obviously just don't care to try and understand do you. Fullstory refer to this as a Session Capture Tool and advise not to track or record customers activities across the internet with it ! Do you work for stake ? this is a very important question. You defend Stake in just about every post you make in any topic. If you do so I won't be discussing anymore with you this might also be a case of prove you don't, before I can continue conversing with you !
dupeddonk Posted August 1, 2022 #50 Posted August 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, ByteMeTwice said: You obviously just don't care to try and understand do you. Fullstory refer to this as a Session Capture Tool and advise not to track or record customers activities across the internet with it ! I assume you're referring to this quote? Session replay tools should not track users’ activities across the internet. They’re only meant for recording and replaying sessions on specific sections of your website. Therefore, session replay tools should not be used for advertising purposes, like the retargeting of ads. I think they're referring to session replay tools in general. A third party cookie is able to track a users actions across multiple websites, and it's possible a session tracking cookie could be third party, but the fullstory cookie we're discussing is a first party tracker. You can tell because the domain name value is 'stake.com', and 'same site' is set to 'strict'. This cookie does not have any ability to track you unless you are at a website that ends in ' .stake.com '
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