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117 dead “bonus buys” 💀


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Okey, so reading all these comments and topics about how bad the RTP is on Stake these days - i don't know what got over me, but i decided to put it to the test.

Result:

•124 losses out of 136 “bonus buys”

(Counting everything below x1.5 as a loss, because x1.02 is really just a slap in the face, in my opinion). 

Sitting down and looking back at it now, i just don't know what to say. The support didn't understand why i sent them all of these pictures, and just passed me on to the tech team, who ensured me that all bets were verified and correct - which is actually more frightening, because it would make more sense and be more believable if the bet's came back as false. 

This can't/shouldn't be physical, nor theoretically possible/legal... but here i am, wondering wtf happened... I mean, i got a few wins, but look at the wins - can you even consider them wins?  A few of them, sure, but most of the wins are basically just “money back script”.

I feel like something is wrong here.. and now it’s not just comments on stakecommunity anymore, people are beginning to gather evidence - such as this⬇️

If we take a look at the theory around this, how could my session turn out like this? 

The laws of probability are broken here, if you don’t believe me - check it out for yourself (to put it better: do the math). 

I actually have to quote @Jeebus from another topic:

“Provably fair - a system for verification of bets developed by the same IT team that works on Stake. How very convenient 🤔

In addition, provably fair “works” only on about 10 Stake Originals, does not work on 10,000 other games on the site.

On top of that all Stake is verified by CGF - Crypto Gambling Foundation. They have their certificate. How convenient, once again, that the same Crypto Gambling Foundation was started by no other then Edward himself - owner of Stake. 🧐 

Google it, i dare you.

So Stake verifies Stake pretty much. From all of this, and more, seems they are really trying their best to fool people. One would even think they have something to hide.

So let’s talk about fairness a bit more.”

Sooo, since i can't make sense of this, and the support team can't make sense of it, i was hoping one of my community fellows could help a brother out. 

And before all of the "better knowers" comment my topic, saying i should have changed seeds etc. - I DID. And i tried all the trick's in the book, playing at different times of the day etc etc.

My tentative conclusion just has to be that Stake has the worst RTP% in the history of mankind, but, i hope that one of you can change my mind.

 

FYI: All of these bets are purchased "bonus buys"  :

 

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Just absolutely no shame anymore, whatsoever... and my cheek has begun to burn like hell (ref. slap in the face).

But then again, house always wins(read: drains).

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3 hours ago, Slitenjeger said:

Okey, so reading all these comments and topics about how bad the RTP is on Stake these days - i don't know what got over me, but i decided to put it to the test. 

Sitting down and looking back at it now, i just don't know what to say. The support didn't understand why i sent them all of these pictures, and just passed me on to the tech team, who ensured me that all bets were verified and correct - which is actually more frightening, because it would make more sense and be more believable if the bet's came back as false. 

Since i can't make sense of this, and the support team can't make sense of it, i was hoping one of my community fellows could help a brother out. This can't/shouldn't be physical, nor theoretically possible/legal... but here i am, wondering wtf happened... I mean, i got a few wins, but look at the wins - can you even consider them wins?  A few of them, sure, but most wins are basically just "money back script" with a couple of dollars extra. Absolutely disgusting. 

And before all of the "better knowers" comment my topic, saying i should have changed seeds etc. - I DID. And i tried all of the other trick's in the book, playing at different times of the day etc etc.

My tentative conclusion just has to be that Stake has the worst RTP% in the history of mankind, but, i hope that one of you can change my mind.

 

FYI: All of these bets are purchased "bonus buys"  :

 

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Just absolutely no shame anymore, whatsoever... but then again, house always wins. 

104 dead buys out of 136 (if you count in the x1.02's etc.), more like 117 dead buys out of  136 buys - if you ask me (when counting everything under x1.3 as a dead buy, because it's basically a slap in the face). 

That looks completely normal from Gates of Olympus. I only do bonus buys, and rarely spin any slots myself. I don't think I've ever gotten more than 200x (2 times the buy) from that game on all the casinos I play on, fiat or crypto. The game is just plain shit :D

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always you should avoid playing games what are promoted by all casinos. I think gates of olympus is the most promoted game, you can even seen ads on youtube about this game. And all the time check the high wins, because the streamers got the biggest wins always, check the date and if the win is in the less then a month then don`t play it. it will just eat

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5 hours ago, sev7nbpm said:

Look, Brother, you are not the only one))) It's just tin)))) And this is only a small part of what I did screenshots)))) There were more than 200 of them))) I'm from Russia and I play in rubles!

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Pay attention to how the demo plays, I decided to check it out! As far as possible and that's what he gave x2400 with the second or third purchase))) Cool!?

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They say it's luck))))

 

And so it's pure fucking that's all!

They manipulate the game at all levels!

 

And in all providers!

 

All bets are bonus purchases!

Yesterday I made more than 1500 bets and did not knock out more than one bonus! Saves bakarat))))

I wrote to the relax provider. They replied to Stake to send a request for a trial, but Stake refused! Referring to the fact that everything works fine for them!

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I really bought a lot of them, but damn it, it can't be!

Yeah, that was only yesterday for me as well. If you go to my “Bet Archive”, I swear it’ll make a grown man cry 😂

I just don’t get it, how nobody can figure out a way to get them. Sure there must be some IT-dude in here that outranks their IT team, and that can prove what Stake is doing?

4 hours ago, Shaque said:

That looks completely normal from Gates of Olympus. I only do bonus buys, and rarely spin any slots myself. I don't think I've ever gotten more than 200x (2 times the buy) from that game on all the casinos I play on, fiat or crypto. The game is just plain shit :D

Lies won’t help, just because you are a mod for Stake. Gates have always been the OG goat, everybody knows this🐐

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7 hours ago, Slitenjeger said:

Okey, so reading all these comments and topics about how bad the RTP is on Stake these days - i don't know what got over me, but i decided to put it to the test. 

Sitting down and looking back at it now, i just don't know what to say. The support didn't understand why i sent them all of these pictures, and just passed me on to the tech team, who ensured me that all bets were verified and correct - which is actually more frightening, because it would make more sense and be more believable if the bet's came back as false. 

Since i can't make sense of this, and the support team can't make sense of it, i was hoping one of my community fellows could help a brother out. This can't/shouldn't be physical, nor theoretically possible/legal... but here i am, wondering wtf happened... I mean, i got a few wins, but look at the wins - can you even consider them wins?  A few of them, sure, but most wins are basically just "money back script" with a couple of dollars extra. Absolutely disgusting. 

And before all of the "better knowers" comment my topic, saying i should have changed seeds etc. - I DID. And i tried all of the other trick's in the book, playing at different times of the day etc etc.

My tentative conclusion just has to be that Stake has the worst RTP% in the history of mankind, but, i hope that one of you can change my mind.

 

FYI: All of these bets are purchased "bonus buys"  :

 

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Just absolutely no shame anymore, whatsoever... but then again, house always wins. 

104 dead buys out of 136 (if you count in the x1.02's etc.), more like 117 dead buys out of  136 buys - if you ask me (when counting everything under x1.3 as a dead buy, because it's basically a slap in the face). 

Firstly I should thank you for undertaking this piece of work and for sharing it with the community here. 

Could you possibly summarize your process and your conclusions at the top of the post. You have a lot of data here for the reader to go through, process and evaluate. It's a significant ask when the reader doesn't know what the data is setting out to prove and you may lose some readers before your point hits home.

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2 hours ago, llama said:

Firstly I should thank you for undertaking this piece of work and for sharing it with the community here. 

Could you possibly summarize your process and your conclusions at the top of the post. You have a lot of data here for the reader to go through, process and evaluate. It's a significant ask when the reader doesn't know what the data is setting out to prove and you may lose some readers before your point hits home.

Sure! I will edit the topic and get the important information on the top of my post. Thanks for the feedback, the writer can’t always see things like that

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4 hours ago, llama said:

Firstly I should thank you for undertaking this piece of work and for sharing it with the community here. 

Could you possibly summarize your process and your conclusions at the top of the post. You have a lot of data here for the reader to go through, process and evaluate. It's a significant ask when the reader doesn't know what the data is setting out to prove and you may lose some readers before your point hits home.

Just updated the topic, brining in some information i got from another brother, @Jeebus, in another topic a couple of days ago. Really interesting, you should take a look. 

2 hours ago, pmbcoin said:

That, it was true, was very unlikely fair

Very, very, unlikely. Updated the topic with a quote from another forum member, which he posted a few days ago - you should take a look. 

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12 hours ago, rotigoreng said:

ha ha ha ha the answer is stop now. or you will be completely destroyed. Christmas and New Year are coming soon, maybe they need a lot of money for their holidays. hahahaha

That’s my second hypothesis, just behind corrupt RTP. 

But if that’s the case, then the question at hand is: HOW do they save up money for Christmas/New Year’s, WITHOUT doing something with the RTP? 

Are Stake really THAT fortunate and lucky, that the month/days before December just happens to give everybody shitty RTP and a house edge to save up for Christmas?

If you take a look at that objectively, how does the laws of probability hit? 
They don’t. There would be less then 0.0001% chance of it playing out like that - can’t fuck with the math, when that’s what they say they use as the fundamental ground for the calculation of the slot’s RTP. 

29 minutes ago, kla said:

Stake not is here for give money

No, they are here to give entertainment and fun. And it would be fun and entertaining, if they stopped messing around with the RTP and just kept thing “as is”. Yes, they would make money at a tad bit slower rate, but they would still be making a lot of money AND they would have happy customers. 
But Stake, like so many other casino’s, just want to speed up their quarterly earnings - and in that process, fuck over their customers. 

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3 hours ago, Slitenjeger said:

That’s my second hypothesis, just behind corrupt RTP. 

But if that’s the case, then the question at hand is: HOW do they save up money for Christmas/New Year’s, WITHOUT doing something with the RTP? 

Are Stake really THAT fortunate and lucky, that the month/days before December just happens to give everybody shitty RTP and a house edge to save up for Christmas?

If you take a look at that objectively, how does the laws of probability hit? 
They don’t. There would be less then 0.0001% chance of it playing out like that - can’t fuck with the math, when that’s what they say they use as the fundamental ground for the calculation of the slot’s RTP. 

No, they are here to give entertainment and fun. And it would be fun and entertaining, if they stopped messing around with the RTP and just kept thing “as is”. Yes, they would make money at a tad bit slower rate, but they would still be making a lot of money AND they would have happy customers. 
But Stake, like so many other casino’s, just want to speed up their quarterly earnings - and in that process, fuck over their customers. 

There are many fragmented efforts by players to collate data, unfortunately their efforts are easily dismissed, and their voice drowned out or censored. If there was a way to coordinate this kind of investigation amongst a set of players the findings could not be so easily dismissed. Independent auditing is standard practice across most financial sectors. Perhaps its time the online casino sector also had the benefit of independent auditors.

Casino operators who play fair would be first to welcome such a development. Stake go to great lengths to reassure players of their fairness so I'm sure the Stake Team would be only too happy to be independently audited on an on going basis.

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There are many fragmented efforts by players to collate data, unfortunately their efforts are easily dismissed, and their voice drowned out or censored. If there was a way to coordinate this kind of investigation amongst a set of players, then the findings would not be so easily dismissed. Independent auditing is standard practice across most financial sectors. Perhaps its time the online casino sector also had the benefit of independent auditors.

Casino operators who play fair would be first to welcome such a development. Stake go to great lengths to reassure players of their fairness so I'm sure the Stake Team would be only too happy to be independently audited on an on going basis.

 

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1 hour ago, Maroons8989 said:

what do you expect from an unregulated casino that uses unregulated providers? 

Pragmatic and the other big providers are all regulated, so the “messing around” with the RTP% is at Stake’s end.

 

”Pragmatic Play holds licenses issued by the Malta Gaming Authority, the British Licensing Commission, the National Gambling Office of Romania (ONJN), the Gibraltar Regulatory Authority, and the Gaming Board for the Bahamas”.

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20 minutes ago, Slitenjeger said:

Pragmatic and the other big providers are all regulated, so the “messing around” with the RTP% is at Stake’s end.

 

”Pragmatic Play holds licenses issued by the Malta Gaming Authority, the British Licensing Commission, the National Gambling Office of Romania (ONJN), the Gibraltar Regulatory Authority, and the Gaming Board for the Bahamas”.

Yes they sure are and if somebody for once think that the fact that Malta gaming authority, Gibraltar Regulatory Authority regulates them and therefor they are safe, have no clue on what they are talking about, I have dealth with both these organs and trust me theres is so much shady stuff going on with these 2. The other I had no buissness with. Pragmatic is the worst provider by far out there. Worsed then Yggrasil. Anyone really think Stake dont set rtp on their enhanced slots to whatever they like is just crazy. 

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38 minutes ago, XeroF said:

Yes they sure are and if somebody for once think that the fact that Malta gaming authority, Gibraltar Regulatory Authority regulates them and therefor they are safe, have no clue on what they are talking about, I have dealth with both these organs and trust me theres is so much shady stuff going on with these 2. The other I had no buissness with. Pragmatic is the worst provider by far out there. Worsed then Yggrasil. Anyone really think Stake dont set rtp on their enhanced slots to whatever they like is just crazy. 

I can only confirm that, for anyone who has delved deeply into Pragmatic Play, one would know that they have engaged in numerous strawman tactics, name changes, fake streamers, fake money, so there is hardly anything they haven't done. Here is an informative video, a bit old but very insightful.

 

That Pragmatic and Stake are more closely connected than other providers is no secret, as evidenced by Enhanced RTP

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