Passive begging - when to check yourself

[defrostbyte]

Hey everyone. 

So I've recently noticed a few things that I found incredibly irritating in chat, and I kind of want to vent about it. Ok, really wanted to vent about it. Keep in mind this is coming from me, and it's not uncommon for me to say things that may be interpreted as passive or are straight up passive - nor will I ever deny that. I'm simply sharing my opinion.

First of all - if you see someone just had a big win, don't send them a tip to get their attention. This is like throwing pennies in someone's face because they haven't given you anything. It's  the only notification that at this point in time comes through no matter what, meaning that they are going to blame YOU if they bust. Why? Because you decided to tip them a PENNY when you saw they just won $1000, which is not only distracting, but a major buzz kill as well. Don't passive tip. It's horribly rude, and you wouldn't want it done to you.

Next, it seems that lately people have been watching hidden players' bets, figuring out who's seed belongs to who so that they know who to PM attack. In a lot of cases this would be a lot of work. If you've done this to beg from someone, I want you to add up the time it takes you to figure this out, divide it by whatever someone paid you to STFU, and realize that you'd make a lot more money with a lot less effort working a minimum wage job. I've had this happen to me numerous times by several people, and happens to many of my friends. Do you even care how desperate and parasitic this makes you look? Seriously, get a life.

Next, I notice when someone draws attention to a high roller bet, or when someone rains, it's like 30+ people start tagging that person in every single post, spamming chat, and obviously wanting to be noticed. You don't have to tag every high roller, one person tagging them is enough to bring their attention to chat, where they will probably see your message anyway. Tagging someone and spamming chat is not going to increase your odds of getting free money. Stop embarrassing yourselves, and stop giving me a reason to add you to my ignore list. There's players here that have never said anything in the main chat room here because of this behavior, but over in sports chat they talk non-stop. They don't like the behavior of the people in the main chat room. 

And finally... I wish it were frowned upon to post bets in chat that aren't your own. Lots of other places don't like it when you do, I don't know why Stake approves someone you've never said a word to bringing attention to your bet in chat. You don't need to tell someone "gg frosty" or whatever especially before that person has had the chance to post the bet themselves! When you do that, you could be stealing their glory from them, or bringing attention to them when they are trying to maintain a low profile.

Stop being vultures. Deposit your own money, win and lose your own money, and stop hoping that someone is going to notice you and send you a tip. If you see a friend is winning and you feel comfortable and confident in your friendship with them, chances are they are gonna tip you without you even asking. Silence is far more rewarding than being annoying.

And that pretty much concludes my rant. If you've found yourself guilty of these things and are now feeling mad, that's good! It means you're reflecting on your actions and recognizing there is truth in what I'm saying.

If you'd like to debate any of what I've said, I'm more than willing to try and see someone elses side of things here.

[Ali saher]

This is a gambling site and mostly users just come here for get some extra money some user say on chat but some people use ninja or other this type word but I think this is not a issue and no need talk about this

[Sumedang]

this indeed often happens here.  I think that might be the reason some people hide their identities when placing high bets, in order to avoid such things.

[Thepug]

Firstly, the site is going to be prone to passive beggars. There will always be people that don't have enough money to gamble with and they need to act fake and friendly, only because they want a tip. It is fairly easy to sus out these players, since they usually have a low wager (Are non VIP) and they add you after a big win.

Unfortunately, there isn't a lot that we can do about people like this, unless they directly beg someone for money. The argument that someone is only being nice for money, can only be judged if the person blatantly admits this. People would argue why they are being muted, simply for being nice to people in the chat.

At the end of the day, people know if they are passive begging as their only intention at the end of this is going to be money. To people that do this, I would say that there is far more to life than money, and making friends and being nice to people, simply because you like them, is a far more important ethos.

[Dp10011]

Very good! He described perfectly the situation of many who roam the site - the digital beggars!
I am very angry about that. I never asked anyone for anything, although I have helped a lot of people.
However, it is very annoying you are getting attention for these inconveniences!

I also see that there are people who don't seem to play. He's always watching the big moves looking for the next victim to attack. They keep an eye on you all the time. Well recently I went to HR and out of nowhere it rained requests for me from people I never saw in the chat!

These digital beggars can be banned forever, so as not to disturb those who really play here!

[wry]

4 minutes ago, Dp10011 said:

although I have helped a lot of people.

I agree this is annoying and common.  Passive begging tries to skirt the line drawn by the rules.  It can be hard to mute someone who hasn't clearly violated the rules, after all, there is an appeal system (for those of you who have not been muted) and they can still contact support.

Which brings us to the core issue, why do they do it?  Because it works.  People "help" them.  The solution is easy, stop rewarding behavior you don't want to encourage.  I frequently see people tagging me when I tip, people of course who have rarely spoken to me before (other than maybe to say hi) and have not been chatting constructively, guess what, they get nothing.

People without money are overrepresented in chat.  People with money are usually either playing or out enjoying their winnings, so the fact that everyone in chat would appreciate some coins goes without saying, and there are plenty enough people who don't do this to share your coins with if you so choose.  Ignore the parasites, though reverse engineering the seed is pretty impressive.

Good luck!

[Dp10011]

4 minutes ago, wry said:

though reverse engineering the seed is pretty impressive.

This is a scary fact! I was practically unaware of this possibility.

[sahil777]

very beautifuly described, 100% agree and the main thing is its making chat very boring and dull, but sometimes when people are not doing passive, some people consider those words also as a passive which isnt good, because we cant guess anyone's intention from every word, but otherwise you are right.

[jamesbond]

Passive begging is always there on gambling sites, but sometimes it gets beyond that.  A user @iamunlucky who is now muted I think, did this many times and I helped him a few times in starting because he tipped me sometimes without any reason so I did it like helping a friend, but then it became his habit and he even asked me on Twitter sometimes for some help on stake since he was muted in chat and he cant msg me anymore and when I was asking about my coins, he blocked me on twitter and I don't think we can report for that on stake since that's been done on outside site.  That was not a big amount so I never bothered about that, but that gave a good lesson to me.  So if there is passive begging, then it make people real beggars and I don't think they can achieve anything in life because they do practice this in their real life and that just make them nonfunctional and nonproductive.  So guys avoid passive begging and always try to achieve something by yourself and that is a great feeling when we did that.

[htetaungxx]

Hello defrostbyte,
passive begging is the most I hate thing during betting. Because they didn't even know am I winning or losing and they just look only green hits. And when betting with stressful and got passibe begging pm, that will be really annoying for me.  

[Irungu]

I think there is bound to be something irritating when it comes to what we are doing the right to gamble, the gamble is really difficult there is a lot of good ideas we have to work , the forum is really easy to use, but also very hard to navigate, there aer so many people who really dont understand how to use it, its good we have different issues well petted.

[Doge4me]

better is play in hidden & ignore those passives in chat because they not gonna stop there behaviour reason is so simple that they are all getting tips or rains from player's by doing that annoying things. 

[Kariuki]

But I also think this happens so many times to so many people , its a psychological thing, people are usually attracted to that kind, and by the , it happens even in real life and its going to be some kind of intimidation or people trying to get the attention, and see if they stilll got it , this happens, there is this guy who had nothing , until he become a big shot and after that there were people lining up to get his attention and it did not work even for a single minute

[defrostbyte]

On 2/19/2020 at 1:19 AM, Thepug said:

Unfortunately, there isn't a lot that we can do about people like this, unless they directly beg someone for money.

Actually, I brought this up to Eddie, and some of the issues I mentioned are being fixed. Ghost mode now makes it look as if you haven't made any bets, making it harder to figure out who a hidden player is. Eddie said he is going to make a ticket to auto reject minimum tips or something along those lines, to keep people from being able to passively tip. I'm stoaked about this. 

 

On 2/19/2020 at 2:27 AM, wry said:

I frequently see people tagging me when I tip, people of course who have rarely spoken to me before (other than maybe to say hi) and have not been chatting constructively, guess what, they get nothing.

This is the most annoying thing in chat, and the worst part is, they never learn. It's terrible, but I completely agree with how you handle it. I wish everyone else would do the same. 

 

13 hours ago, htetaungxx said:

Because they didn't even know am I winning or losing and they just look only green hits.

And this is the unfortunate truth. People only notice what's directly in front of them and don't think of the big picture. Let's say someone just hit a 10kx multiplier... It might have taken that person more than 10k rolls to get there. ALTHOUGH, I have had people message me even when getting a totally red streak because I was betting 20k satoshi on limbo. Typically when I'm doing this it's a relatively low target (3x - 5x) and I'm using 20% of my bank roll to attempt to build a balance. It's almost more annoying to me when this happens, and it's why I only play hidden now. 

 

On 2/19/2020 at 9:50 AM, sahil777 said:

some people consider those words also as a passive which isnt good, because we cant guess anyone's intention from every word, but otherwise you are right.

As I said, I say a lot of things in chat that may be interpreted as passive. If I say "grr" in chat, it's simply me making a statement that I'm frustrated and busted. 

 

I really wasn't expecting so many responses to this, thank you all so much for your input! I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling this way. I appreciate the time you all took for your responses!

[Thepug]

18 minutes ago, defrostbyte said:

Actually, I brought this up to Eddie, and some of the issues I mentioned are being fixed. Ghost mode now makes it look as if you haven't made any bets, making it harder to figure out who a hidden player is. Eddie said he is going to make a ticket to auto reject minimum tips or something along those lines, to keep people from being able to passively tip. I'm stoaked about this. 

Firstly, I love how you’ve taken time out of your day to respond to everyone with such in depth responses. It really does mean a lot to everyone on the forum and keep it up  

I noticed that people had no bets before and were Gold VIP recently and I got confused by it, so thanks for explaining that.

With the min tip amount, I guess that it can be annoying for highrollers with OCD, getting tipped 1000 satoshi if they are playing with 0.1 BTC. So, at least they are trying to do something about it  

[defrostbyte]

11 hours ago, Thepug said:

Firstly, I love how you’ve taken time out of your day to respond to everyone with such in depth responses. It really does mean a lot to everyone on the forum and keep it up  

I noticed that people had no bets before and were Gold VIP recently and I got confused by it, so thanks for explaining that.

With the min tip amount, I guess that it can be annoying for highrollers with OCD, getting tipped 1000 satoshi if they are playing with 0.1 BTC. So, at least they are trying to do something about it  

They were such great responses from everyone! I was a little overwhelmed at first and then realized you can quote specific parts of a post. It made it a lot easier to say what I wanted to in a single post - rather than spamming my own thread with responses.

So here's something to consider with the passive tipping. Have you ever been on a good streak and all of the sudden have 10 message notifications pop up on you? It's REALLY distracting and irritating at times. At least you can disable those notifications and add people to your ignore list... But with tips, you're notified no matter what, even if the person tipping you is on your ignore list. It probably doesn't bother everyone, but it definitely bothers me. I've got a low tolerance for people interrupting my flow.

 

[Mwangi]

Well begging is part of this life and sometimes when someone hits it big, there is nothing abnormal to anybody to ask for what is good for them its totally very easy and very good for someone to ask for a share of the steak but so can be very irritating and they can even cause one to block them that usually happens to those who really do not care about it

[Ayesha0770]

Well as I can see yes it is often to happen here mostly to those who hits big on stake some are on pm and some are bold to do it in chat room 

[ScooterPi]

Unfortunately, I think it goes with the territory.  

I've had a hard time facing that fact myself.  It's actually my reason for not participating in forum challenges, as it would require me to play without ghost mode (hidden bets). 

I think that time is coming to an end for me now.  Although I'm very hesitant, I really want to participate more in the forum challenges.  So I will have to un-ghost my bets and try to ignore the passive junk that goes along with it. 

[BidaManEris]

Some people now are doing the extremes-- saying it straight up that they want a tip or they just simply beg. I know passive begging is rampant and very obvious but the problem is that you cannot simply tell anyone that it is so because of the benefit of the doubt that it might be sincere for someone specific.