I've seen some suspicious shit on stake today, look at these bet ids

[Sk8erSpanky]

 

5 minutes ago, Snickers said:

If this was some legit stuff, why are the bets suddenly gone from the site? Cant see them if I try to check both. Only fuels the suspicion. 

Because there is 100% something to hide. Why else would they all of a sudden be nowhere to find? Lol… ill wait for one of the guys who beg for the 1.00 rain drops in chat and suckers who try to get attention for dropsto come tell us how stake is amazing and have this whole thing figured out for us tho lol.

[MrArthur]

if there was a hackers who found some vulnerability they could just milk stake with lower multipliers but instead they just went all in 🙃 on the other hand maybe they are milking them and decided to just show everyone else that 😹

[xrflive]

9 hours ago, mmiikkee1520 said:

just popping in to tell you all to not listen to a word that dupeddonk says.  he works here and has worked on the software that stake is using to scam all of you.  he is actually a bigger turd than Eddie himself.

Sorry but.....

 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHSHSHAHSHSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You're so wrong. I don't understand why you all are against @dupeddonk, he doesn't work here, he simply explain facts behind probably fair and how stake works.

 

And no. Not because he made it, but because he studied the PUBLIC documentation available. It's all written there. If you don't know how to interpret it, I may suggest to do a quick course on algorithms.

 

 

 

 

 

[Sk8erSpanky]

18 minutes ago, xrflive said:

Sorry but.....

 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHSHSHAHSHSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You're so wrong. I don't understand why you all are against @dupeddonk, he doesn't work here, he simply explain facts behind probably fair and how stake works.

 

And no. Not because he made it, but because he studied the PUBLIC documentation available. It's all written there. If you don't know how to interpret it, I may suggest to do a quick course on algorithms.

 

 

 

 

 

I dont know anything about the guy so i dont say anything. But I will ask you, how come those bets cannot be found now?

[v1rtu0s]

lol the fact that the bets aren't accessible anymore makes it suspicious I agree. 

[cirodimarzio]

congratz mate!

[revole]

good

[FireHolo]

Interesting thread.

[eduardowpsh]

How this happens?

[Faustw]

probably fair 

all jokes, this just happens, nothing crazy (it would be crazy if it was me)

[dupeddonk]

On 4/29/2022 at 8:31 AM, ByteMeTwice said:

If you want to believe in proviably fair, that's you prerogative..

My personal belief is that it's made up gobbledeegook, devised by Crypto-casino's at a time when something was needed to  legitimize crypto gambling.

If I'm wrong, fair dues, but what other reason to diverge from RNG's which have a proven record of being random.  No other proof of fairness required, why such a big deal to ensure everyone knows about (so called) proviable fairness.

Why no Live you-tube videos from casino owners to demonstrate exactly how this works by showing the before and after in complete transparency ?

Seen a few, but always errors with hash's that don't exist etc.  But haven't seen one that can convince me more than the Miracle on 34th Street !

I'll do a little demonstration right now and you can let me know which step makes it gobbledeegook (I'm assuming it's your prerogative to believe what's true)

Let's play a game where we each have a 50% chance to win that's provably fair.

The result will be determined by the last character of the sha256 hash of my seed + your seed.

The hash is hexadecimal, so there are only 16 possible characters, 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F (case doesn't matter).  If the last character is 0 - 7 I win.  If it's A - F, 8 or 9 you win.  

There are a bunch of tools you can use to hash a string online like https://xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator 

I need to choose my seed first and prove to you I haven't changed it without revealing the actual seed (if you knew the seed you could pick a seed that guarantees a win for you).  So I'll hash my seed and show you the hash:

b08b3535d415796968b1f2bc0c68091645aae7ad23f4c709bc02c25fb344ca0e

After I reveal my seed and we have a result you can go back and hash my seed, if the hash matches the one above, you know that I didn't change it.  If I change even one character, the hash will be completely different.

Just respond to this post with your seed and we'll figure out the result.

[dollartree1]

34 minutes ago, dupeddonk said:

I'll do a little demonstration right now and you can let me know which step makes it gobbledeegook (I'm assuming it's your prerogative to believe what's true)

Let's play a game where we each have a 50% chance to win that's provably fair.

The result will be determined by the last character of the sha256 hash of my seed + your seed.

The hash is hexadecimal, so there are only 16 possible characters, 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F (case doesn't matter).  If the last character is 0 - 7 I win.  If it's A - F, 8 or 9 you win.  

There are a bunch of tools you can use to hash a string online like https://xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator 

I need to choose my seed first and prove to you I haven't changed it without revealing the actual seed (if you knew the seed you could pick a seed that guarantees a win for you).  So I'll hash my seed and show you the hash:

b08b3535d415796968b1f2bc0c68091645aae7ad23f4c709bc02c25fb344ca0e

After I reveal my seed and we have a result you can go back and hash my seed, if the hash matches the one above, you know that I didn't change it.  If I change even one character, the hash will be completely different.

Just respond to this post with your seed and we'll figure out the result.

Hey now, no using logic and facts in here.  We only use magic and goobledegoop!   While I agree provably fair makes sense from a technical stance, something still doesn't sit well with me knowing that once I change my seed, all the bets that I have yet to make, have already been decided with that seed, and the casino knows the outcome of bets ive yet to place..  Because it's just server seed + client seed + nonce(which is just x = x++) and the casino has all 3 of these values.  

But back to the bets in question.   I was there the night it happened and had copied the betids and even tried getting in touch with these people to try and get them to change their seed so that we could verify the bets.  Plenty of 3rd party bet verifiers on github.  Unfortunately I haven't seen either player since the date it happened.   And to those wanting to know the nonce, I know the one Mrxdrop rolled was in the 5 or 6 digit range because I thought there's no way this dude is gonna change his seed.   While the other player nonce was significantly lower.  Alas if both bets are gone now itll be kinda tough to verify anything now...

[dupeddonk]

48 minutes ago, dollartree1 said:

Hey now, no using logic and facts in here.  We only use magic and goobledegoop!   While I agree provably fair makes sense from a technical stance, something still doesn't sit well with me knowing that once I change my seed, all the bets that I have yet to make, have already been decided with that seed, and the casino knows the outcome of bets ive yet to place..  Because it's just server seed + client seed + nonce(which is just x = x++) and the casino has all 3 of these values.  

But they don't know when you'll change your seed or what your seed will be until after they choose the server seed.

You do raise a fair point though, it is possible for the casino to exploit the PF system by looking at a players betting pattern and upcoming results.  If they see a big win is coming up, they could try to avoid it by forcing or encouraging the player to change their seed or taking down the site.  Or if they see a losing streak, they could prevent the player from changing seeds.

There are a bunch of other ways a casino could take advantage of the system, but none of them make the whole concept goobledegoop and in each case the player can either prevent the possibility of them happening or prove that they happened after the fact.

[dupeddonk]

4 hours ago, mmiikkee1520 said:

so you finally admit you are full of shit.  you heard it people.  THEE dupeddonk has admitted that it is POSSIBLE for the casino to exploit the provably fair system.  I guess we no longer need your long winded explanations on algorithms now because if the casino can exploit the system, your algorithm b.s. is irrelevant.  thank you and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

I've gone over different ways the PF method could be exploited many times before...in threads you were active in...rigtards often throw them into their argument after being unable to articulate how they "know" PF is a 'myth' or whatever.  

[maverick528]

3 hours ago, Ghostnipple said:

one of the trolls said about Limbo:

"higher than 100,000 for example, the numbers are sparsely populated."

Can you explain why this is the case if it is true? I mean how sparsely are we talking?

A troll is , among other things, somebody that posts false data on purpose several times.

Somebody that posts hard facts backed by maths and verifiable is not a troll. Giving true answers can hardly be trolling.

I think you are stepping very close to the cliff border, and ready to move a step forward, if you think you can insult staff several times with no consequences.

The algorithm for generating limbo results has been for years available on Stake site, so you can take a rest between posting some messages here in forum and check it a bit.

If my calculations that I posted here on this thread are right, the biggest gap  between multipliers is about 65000x on a multiplier that is close to 17 million X. As the multiplier gets smaller, the gap between them also gets smaller until it is negligible.

"If Im not wrong, the max multiplier that can possibly happen in Limbo is 16946682.83X.

And the next lowest multiplier is 16881399.29X ."

 

 

[Sk8erSpanky]

1 hour ago, maverick528 said:

A troll is , among other things, somebody that posts false data on purpose several times.

Somebody that posts hard facts backed by maths and verifiable is not a troll. Giving true answers can hardly be trolling.

I think you are stepping very close to the cliff border, and ready to move a step forward, if you think you can insult staff several times with no consequences.

The algorithm for generating limbo results has been for years available on Stake site, so you can take a rest between posting some messages here in forum and check it a bit.

If my calculations that I posted here on this thread are right, the biggest gap  between multipliers is about 65000x on a multiplier that is close to 17 million X. As the multiplier gets smaller, the gap between them also gets smaller until it is negligible.

"If Im not wrong, the max multiplier that can possibly happen in Limbo is 16946682.83X.

And the next lowest multiplier is 16881399.29X ."

 

 

As a moderator are you able to find the bets or figure out what happened to them?

[Losingdough]

On 4/29/2022 at 1:22 PM, Ghostnipple said:

oh he's not so bad XD

Is it just me or is anybody else having difficulty checking these bets onsite. I wanted to see the nonce for both, but I can't access the bet details.

if it isnt another case of missing bets. how convenient is it that the bets that ate obviously rigged in this case are no longer able to be accessed. hmmm, and they were on different seeds even. Ghost you are far more intelligent , civil, and wiser then myself and I respect you for your diplomacy.... so please excuse what im about to say,  stake is fucking cheating and just got caught in this thread so they chucked the bets. period. no way in hell this guy got both those same mults on  nonce 34 on one seed and 100 and something on another  within 2 days. and the other guy got the same huge mult on the same day. and Dopthedork jumps to the defense of what is obviously foulplay.  this shit is better then fiction i swear.

[maverick528]

49 minutes ago, Sk8erSpanky said:

As a moderator are you able to find the bets or figure out what happened to them?

Old bets are removed from visibility; this is done to keep the database of visible bets small to make the site go faster.

Personally I dont like this solution, and maybe they can do a separate website stakebets.com or something where you can see the details of all bets since the very beggining, but I dont know if it is technically feasible.

I suppose that if you are really really interested in the details of this bets you can ask Live Support about them, the information is not lost but its archived.

For the ppl that elaborate conspiration theories that this bets were "erased", it is because they did not notice before it is done in a routine basis with all the bets. You can check it yourself going to one of the forum promotions for example 2 months old that is full of betIDs and try to see them.

 

[20002309]

Stake been iffy

[Sk8erSpanky]

2 hours ago, maverick528 said:

Old bets are removed from visibility; this is done to keep the database of visible bets small to make the site go faster.

Personally I dont like this solution, and maybe they can do a separate website stakebets.com or something where you can see the details of all bets since the very beggining, but I dont know if it is technically feasible.

I suppose that if you are really really interested in the details of this bets you can ask Live Support about them, the information is not lost but its archived.

For the ppl that elaborate conspiration theories that this bets were "erased", it is because they did not notice before it is done in a routine basis with all the bets. You can check it yourself going to one of the forum promotions for example 2 months old that is full of betIDs and try to see them.

 

They are removed same day?

[maverick528]

6 minutes ago, Sk8erSpanky said:

They are removed same day?

As you can see on this topic, the two bets that were posted in the beggining were from april 14th, and several ppl looked at them and even posted screencaps of them the 15th of april, where you can see the username that placed them, the bet amount, etc etc.

 

[Sk8erSpanky]

11 minutes ago, maverick528 said:

As you can see on this topic, the two bets that were posted in the beggining were from april 14th, and several ppl looked at them and even posted screencaps of them the 15th of april, where you can see the username that placed them, the bet amount, etc etc.

 

Ah I gotcha

[MattyG]

1 hour ago, maverick528 said:

As you can see on this topic, the two bets that were posted in the beggining were from april 14th, and several ppl looked at them and even posted screencaps of them the 15th of april, where you can see the username that placed them, the bet amount, etc etc.

 

Hello sir… could you please clarify if it is allowed to post links in the forum or not. Some players are penalized for that others are not. I am interested to know also 

[maverick528]

1 minute ago, MattyG said:

Hello sir… could you please clarify if it is allowed to post links in the forum or not. Some players are penalized for that others are not. I am interested to know also 

It is allowed to post SOME links, but not all.

For example if you post a link to a music video in YouTube.

If you post a link to another casino for example, it is not allowed.

 

[ByteMeTwice]

15 hours ago, maverick528 said:

Old bets are removed from visibility; this is done to keep the database of visible bets small to make the site go faster.

 

Have you taken up comedy writing ??

 

On a Serious note...

Every explanation i've seen here regarding provable fairness only talks about how mathematics proves everything is above board...  After the game has finished.

I don't need a mathematical formula to prove anything has happened after it has happened.

Show me somethin showing it actually happening ?

I can explain how 1+1 =1 does that make my method provable ?