Provably Not Fair?

[dollartree1]

On 7/22/2022 at 8:10 PM, J-Dawg said:

t should also be pointed out,  that you guys always pick the lowest fruit, you always divert and derail what is being said in the conversation by honing in on completely arbitrary things. So what if I am not the original author of the information I am sharing, I never claimed to be, it doesn't make it invalid. But of course, that completely arbitrary element is what you hone in on. It's laughable really, you know what you're doing. And I get it, it's your job. Better you than me, that's for sure. It would be one thing if you actually believed with all your heart the narrative you are pushing, but we all know that you guys know exactly what you're doing and what information you are attempting to suppress with this aggressive and time consuming tactic you employ

Alright it's confirmed this guy is a troll bot.  No way he can type this without bursting into flames lol.   I mean... thats just laughable.  Doesn't have any of his own thoughts.. refuses to answer simple questions..  and too dense to think that maybe... just maybe.... he could be wrong about a subject.  Laughable.  

I just want to point one more thing out.  I am NOT an expert in provably fair.  I AM NOT a expert programmer.   BUT I'm confident enough to post here BECAUSE it doesn't take an expert to understand provably fair and to see that it's a fair system!!  It's basic hashing.  2 parts + nonce.   That today's PCs cannot crack.   Please, stop posting or give a real world example of your issues.   Not your plagiarized garbage from 10 years ago, or data presented as complete when its missing 1/2 of it.

Edit:  want to have a good laugh after reading J-dawgs ridiculously hypocritical posts?  Check out my meme in the meme thread!  🤪 it's a good time!

[ktinho]

10 minutes ago, J-Dawg said:

 

I'm not getting paid to spend time on this forum unlike yourself. So what are you saying, information has a shelf life? So provably fair from 10 years ago wasn't provably fair but now it is? Honestly, what are you suggesting with this comment? Because it sounds like you're saying the information is outdated. So that means it wasn't provably fair and it's been patched over now? And if that is what you are suggesting, then it just goes further to prove the system is not infallible.

Honestly dude, why are you trying to pass yourself off as a normal Stake player. You literally are the guy that people are sent to on Stake Support when bet data is missing and irregularities have been raised. 

Pay me for my time and I will spend the time putting together a thesis that has all the references and facts and multiple statements and assertions from programming professionals that would hold up no problem in a court of law. I've not got the time or will to spend the time you and dupeddonk do arguing with people on here, as unlike you guys I'm not getting paid for my time.

It should also be pointed out,  that you guys always pick the lowest fruit, you always divert and derail what is being said in the conversation by honing in on completely arbitrary things. So what if I am not the original author of the information I am sharing, I never claimed to be, it doesn't make it invalid. But of course, that completely arbitrary element is what you hone in on. It's laughable really, you know what you're doing. And I get it, it's your job. Better you than me, that's for sure. It would be one thing if you actually believed with all your heart the narrative you are pushing, but we all know that you guys know exactly what you're doing and what information you are attempting to suppress with this aggressive and time consuming tactic you employ. 

I stopped reading when i got to the end of the bit in bold. 

 

Paranoid? Delusional? Troll? I am unsure which you are but i do wish you the best of luck in life ❤️

@dupeddonk @dollartree1

 

IF he genuinely believes that anyone on here who dismisses his information or asks for evidence  that todays provably fair system used on stake casino, is being rigged or is exploitable, means that they work for the casino, then we should feel some sympathy for him.

This is not a sarcastic post. 

All I personally wish to see is evidence. The information he takes from these threads he finds discuss the way forward for provably fair  and what they talked about 10 years ago  is  where the system is now at and has been for a number of years.

He tends to omit this information. Only he knows why he omits this information or any information  that gives a balanced view of provably fair.

 

I feel that he needs to read all the information in these thread/blogs he finds and a lot of the questions he has will be answered.

Askgamblers guidelines on what a player should require from a provably fair system and should look for before they use it  are all provided by stake.

if you genuinely believe you are being cheated then open up a complaint there and show them all the evidence you have @J-Dawg

 

❤️

[dollartree1]

1 hour ago, ktinho said:

All I personally wish to see is evidence. The information he takes from these threads he finds discuss the way forward for provably fair  and what they talked about 10 years ago  is  where the system is now at and has been for a number of years.

I actually read one or 2 of his other posts where he posted garbage and I tried to find a post deeper in the thread where he defends his original post with evidence or some type of REAL WORLD example, and there just isn't any.  He either tries to portray his delusional conspiracy thoughts as factual, or it's not his idea and legit has no idea how to try to explain any of it.  So his posts decend into exactly what his last post claims dupeddonk does.  Its almost like he accidentally typed out his play book.   Saying duped fails to make any valid points and resorts to bashing his character in every thread, while he is literally not answering questions while attacking dupes character..  I mean people have to be pretty low on the IQ scale to not see that.  Lol. 

But yea, keep up the good fight! I can't imagine any of them come back to this thread. They took a beating whether they see it or not.  Although I seem to always be amazed at what post comes next. But im just going to keep asking what the hash of "casino" is in every thread he pops up in lol..   Mr. Big shot had no problem telling me I didn't know a hard drive from my asshole.  And after answering all of his condescending questions, he still couldnt answer my simple one about the subject he continues to rant about.   And I wish he would because I really am truly interested in how he thinks they are manipulating results from data we can verify...

[ktinho]

44 minutes ago, dollartree1 said:

I actually read one or 2 of his other posts where he posted garbage and I tried to find a post deeper in the thread where he defends his original post with evidence or some type of REAL WORLD example, and there just isn't any.  He either tries to portray his delusional conspiracy thoughts as factual, or it's not his idea and legit has no idea how to try to explain any of it.  So his posts decend into exactly what his last post claims dupeddonk does.  Its almost like he accidentally typed out his play book.   Saying duped fails to make any valid points and resorts to bashing his character in every thread, while he is literally not answering questions while attacking dupes character..  I mean people have to be pretty low on the IQ scale to not see that.  Lol. 

But yea, keep up the good fight! I can't imagine any of them come back to this thread. They took a beating whether they see it or not.  Although I seem to always be amazed at what post comes next. But im just going to keep asking what the hash of "casino" is in every thread he pops up in lol..   Mr. Big shot had no problem telling me I didn't know a hard drive from my asshole.  And after answering all of his condescending questions, he still couldnt answer my simple one about the subject he continues to rant about.   And I wish he would because I really am truly interested in how he thinks they are manipulating results from data we can verify...

Beating them is not really the way i see it. What happens is it descends into '1 side against the other' which is not actually the case. 

I just don't believe the information provided is relevant as it is based around an old provably fair system which isn't used by stake  - it is a different method of provably fair.

I don't have any personal issue with him but i am not going to respond to posts that start off by saying i have a bias as a stake employee! or something similar.

You have asked a few questions to get a basic understanding of what he knows with regards to the subject. I find that fair.

Don't get dragged into a 'cat fight' and just stick to the subject at hand otherwise you will become the target of trolls.

[byproduct]

3 hours ago, J-Dawg said:

 

I'm not getting paid to spend time on this forum unlike yourself. So what are you saying, information has a shelf life? So provably fair from 10 years ago wasn't provably fair but now it is? Honestly, what are you suggesting with this comment? Because it sounds like you're saying the information is outdated. So that means it wasn't provably fair and it's been patched over now? And if that is what you are suggesting, then it just goes further to prove the system is not infallible.

Honestly dude, why are you trying to pass yourself off as a normal Stake player. You literally are the guy that people are sent to on Stake Support when bet data is missing and irregularities have been raised. 

Pay me for my time and I will spend the time putting together a thesis that has all the references and facts and multiple statements and assertions from programming professionals that would hold up no problem in a court of law. I've not got the time or will to spend the time you and dupeddonk do arguing with people on here, as unlike you guys I'm not getting paid for my time.

It should also be pointed out,  that you guys always pick the lowest fruit, you always divert and derail what is being said in the conversation by honing in on completely arbitrary things. So what if I am not the original author of the information I am sharing, I never claimed to be, it doesn't make it invalid. But of course, that completely arbitrary element is what you hone in on. It's laughable really, you know what you're doing. And I get it, it's your job. Better you than me, that's for sure. It would be one thing if you actually believed with all your heart the narrative you are pushing, but we all know that you guys know exactly what you're doing and what information you are attempting to suppress with this aggressive and time consuming tactic you employ. 

Im a programmer.  Im not dupeddonk.  I understand things in this thread.  Kind of ignorant for you to assume everyone who posts with facts to teach you something, or their opinion on the subject; that they are immediately paid shills.  You ask people in the thread to answer if they know what python is, or if they know bash or if they use OSS like any of those things has a single thing to do with the subjects of this and the other threads. lmao you are an obvious noob on all of these subjects just bow out of the conversation humbly instead of trying to make new arguments.  again let me be clear-- im not a paid shill of stake they bend me over and take all of my money just like everyone else here, and like every other casino. im a veteran gambler i understand how it goes. i just happen to know that the people explaining these things to you are correct...... because its all transparent and can be proven for yourself.  you wouldnt even need to know much programming to recreate these games and see and test all your theories and questions about the odds.  again, i know because ive done it. im not a shill and noone is paying me to write this i just happened to be using the restroom and noticed the thread was still going.  if you would untuck your head out of your ass and just go check all of this out yourself instead of searching for some github of another method of proving outcomes, or old exploit etc, or old post about  anything called 'provably fair'. its far easier to just prove that what we are saying is true, which is exactly what everyone is telling you over and over.

at this point of watching these threads over the last month i almost want to say your latest argument towards everyone should really just be used against yourself.  you seem to stick your fingers in your ears and just yell 'LOL HERE ARE THE PROVABLY FAIR SHILLS LALALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU' every time someone tries to explain literal logic and facts. maybe you are the paid shills from other casinos, coming here to discredit this system. 

again im not a shill, just a regular user and you can find me in chat all the time, and i barely post to forum.. i am simply drawn to these conversations because i actually know the technologies used and have experienced recreating the games in javascript to run simulations on millions of bets.. thats all.  idk if the other people who explain things on here are paid by stake, but i would bet almost anything that they are not. stake simple doesnt need to come discredit you, they post all of the methods for recreating the games on their website, and you can confirm they work based of your actual bets. also because anyone with a little bit of a brain already knows you are incorrect and obviously trolling at this point.

[J-Dawg]

lol, this is becoming beyond a joke. You're a programmer you say? And I'm the Pope om every 2nd Sunday. Listen, on an anonymous forum anyone can be whoever they like.

“You can fool some people some times but you cant fool all the people all the time”

The thing is, I know for a fact what's what, they're not based off assumptions. And yes, I could prove it if it was in my interests. You lot are all obviously fairly young, and you think you're really shrewd, but this little theatrics is as old as time. Go on any forum, where money is involved, and there's 10 guys just like you, all paid to do this little act. Stocks, trading, crypto. baseball cards, whatever. And you all think you're the only people that have ever done this. It's funny, you guys really think you're cute. But you're the dudes sat in-front of a forum for 10 hours a day, angry. 

[ByteMeTwice]

I'm gonna regret gettin involved here, i just know it. !

 

Provable fair didn't even exist before crypto casino's started popping up.

In those days it was a gamble sometimes, just to deposit...  You never knew if deposit was going to clear or not.

For withdrawing, you had to wait and pray for 5-7 days, & sometimes even longer.

But that's another story...

 

FAIT casino's have always used RNG's for their games

But when the crypto casino's came along, provably fair was invented..

The only feasible reason for this, is the crypto casino's inability to successfully rig the RNG.

 

Remember as well guy's, I've seen several posts on here showing the hash/unhash figures etc didn't match.

If this was to happen even once in Billions of games, then it doesn't work and should be replaced immediately.

I've seen about 7-8 posts where there was no match...  Too often to be fair in my opinion..

 

I'm not pretending to be some sort of expert (well I actually am. But not at internet stuff !).

But to clear up the corruption allegations and placate all the conspiracy theorists.

Switch to RNG.....  Sorted

 

 

[YungLoop3r]

All i can really say is you gamble knowing you have a chance to loose! No on or no strategy will ever beat house and thats hows its been for eternity. Gamble expecting to loose what you put in mate 

 

[dollartree1]

On 7/23/2022 at 4:42 AM, ByteMeTwice said:

Remember as well guy's, I've seen several posts on here showing the hash/unhash figures etc didn't match.

If this was to happen even once in Billions of games, then it doesn't work and should be replaced immediately.

I've seen about 7-8 posts where there was no match...  Too often to be fair in my opinion..

I'd be happy to look at these cases with an open mind.  But from what I recall, and I didn't go Check again so I could be wrong, seemed like shady buisness on the user end and they never provide ALL the info needed to check a bet properly or like in ghostnipple or jdawgs cases, purposely provise bad data to begin with so people think there's a problem..  but if you have links, I'd be happy to visit those posts.  

 

On 7/22/2022 at 10:50 PM, ktinho said:

Don't get dragged into a 'cat fight' and just stick to the subject at hand otherwise you will become the target of trolls.

I know... it jusr gets hard when dealing with such a thick headed person who states he knows for 100% fact he's correct, but instead of providing the data and facts says.... 

 

On 7/23/2022 at 4:00 AM, J-Dawg said:

I know for a fact what's what, they're not based off assumptions. And yes, I could prove it if it was in my interests.

Like how did this person even get to his post teen years? ( I don't think he deserves the title of young adult)  This whole thread and every other thread he shows up in, he makes outrageous claims.  And instead of backing them up, he says, "if it was in his interests"  Obviously it is in his interests because he's in every provably fair post.  🙄 Clearly a troll but people still come into these posts and blindly agree with this person!  I just honestly think I give the human race waaaaaay too much credit when it comes to a baseline standard intelligence. I just have to start accepting the fact that most could be replaced with a rock and no one would notice or care.  🤷‍♂️ 

[Usdt_player]

If the auto bet keep losing. You have to stop it and changing seeds. Different seeds have different outcome and pattern. 

 

 

 

[dupeddonk]

1 hour ago, ByteMeTwice said:

But when the crypto casino's came along, provably fair was invented..

The only feasible reason for this, is the crypto casino's inability to successfully rig the RNG.

So you think the programmers from the older online sites with rigged RNGs are keeping it a secret how they rigged their RNGs from all the crypto casino programmers?  And the crypto programmers are just not smart enough to figure it out? 

Does that really seem feasible to you?  That newer technology was created because they couldn't figure out how to use older technology?  Come on now.

 

Or....maybe it's because bitcoin and provably fair are based off the same concepts and technology.  Trustless, decentralized transactions supported by the SHA256 one way hashing algorithm.  Creating a bitcoin transaction requires as much trust in any person as making a provably fair bet.  Players wanted to be able to deposit, gamble and withdraw their money instantly and anonymously.  Provably fair allows two anonymous parties to generate an outcome where both parties have proof that the other party did not manipulate the outcome.

 

1 hour ago, ByteMeTwice said:

Remember as well guy's, I've seen several posts on here showing the hash/unhash figures etc didn't match.

If this was to happen even once in Billions of games, then it doesn't work and should be replaced immediately.

I've seen about 7-8 posts where there was no match...  Too often to be fair in my opinion..

You have not seen one actual instance of this happening.  People claim crazy shit here.  Usually they're making a mistake somewhere, and there are some people that intentionally post fake info so they can cry scam. If SHA256 were able to be manipulated like that the internet would be broken.  Governments and banks would stop functioning.  Credit cards wouldn't work.  Software updates wouldn't be secure.  All crypto would be worthless.  

2 hours ago, ByteMeTwice said:

Switch to RNG.....  Sorted

Provably fair is an RNG.

The only difference between the type RNG you're taking about and a provably fair RNG, is the one you're talking about requires the player to take other peoples word that it's fair.  With PF, you just need to trust math.

[ByteMeTwice]

25 minutes ago, Usdt_player said:

If the auto bet keep losing. You have to stop it and changing seeds. Different seeds have different outcome and pattern. 

 

 

 

Hmmm... 

 

45 minutes ago, dollartree1 said:

I'd be happy to look at these cases with an open mind.  But from what I recall, and I didn't go Check again so I could be wrong, seemed like shady buisness on the user end and they never provide ALL the info needed to check a bet properly or like in ghostnipple or jdawgs cases, purposely provise bad data to begin with so people think there's a problem..  but if you have links, I'd be happy to visit those posts.  

Got no idea where to find them, was going just on memory.  Yer right, I also remember that one was doctored to make it look wrong. I got no clue about the outcomes of the others.

11 minutes ago, dupeddonk said:

 If SHA256 were able to be manipulated like that the internet would be broken.  Governments and banks would stop functioning.  Credit cards wouldn't work.  Software updates wouldn't be secure.  All crypto would be worthless.

I don't know where you live dude..  But these things  happen in Europe regularly.  UK & Ireland in particular get badly affected.

On one occasion, a certain bank was offline for nearly 5 weeks.  No bank cards, no credit card transactions, no direct debits, no mortgages paid no wages processed, no benefits paid & no way to find out the balance of accounts.

They had to trust people to withdraw up to approx $300 if they could produce proof of having an account and ID proof.

They blamed a software update.... ?

[dupeddonk]

2 hours ago, ByteMeTwice said:

I don't know where you live dude..  But these things  happen in Europe regularly.  UK & Ireland in particular get badly affected.

On one occasion, a certain bank was offline for nearly 5 weeks.  No bank cards, no credit card transactions, no direct debits, no mortgages paid no wages processed, no benefits paid & no way to find out the balance of accounts.

They had to trust people to withdraw up to approx $300 if they could produce proof of having an account and ID proof.

They blamed a software update.... ?

I'm not sure where you're going with this.  But I was talking about was if an exploit was all the sudden discovered in the industry standard level of encryption, it would effect the entire world.

If someone figured out how to exploit it, they wouldn't be using the exploit to cheat us out of deposits.  

Point is - that's not what happened.  Nobody cracked sha256.  Like all the gamblers before you, and all the gamblers that will  follow, you're just seeing patterns that aren't real.

[ByteMeTwice]

5 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

I'm not sure where you're going with this.  But I was talking about was if an exploit was all the sudden discovered in the industry standard level of encryption, it would effect the entire world.

If someone figured out how to exploit it, they wouldn't be using the exploit to cheat us out of deposits.  

Point is - that's not what happened.  Nobody cracked sha256.  Like all the gamblers before you, and all the gamblers that will  follow, you're just seeing patterns that aren't real.

I'm not seeing any patterns dude (apart from the time when Limbo gave me 1.00, 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 and completely busted a half decent stack......   oh, aye..  I got 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 three days later).

I been thru this with you before @dupeddonk , but allow me to recap for you !!

1)  I don't believe in provable fair  .. !!

2) I never ever believed in such a thing as provable fair  .. !!

3) I Never will believe that there's any such thing as a geniune provable fair system  .. !!

4)  I'm not entirely convinced about RNG either, but I believe it to be the less of the two evils .. !!

 

Stake don't exactly cover themselves in glory when it comes to transparency and integrity.  Why wouldn't people also suspect provable fair tampering.

 

I fuckin knew i'd regret posting in this stream..

Last thing I want to do here is to bruise the ego's of people who are convinced their point is correct and everyone else is stupid & therefore not entitled to question.

@dupeddonk sometimes ye need to chill out and wind yer neck in dude !

[dupeddonk]

5 minutes ago, ByteMeTwice said:

1)  I don't believe in provable fair  .. !!

2) I never ever believed in such a thing as provable fair  .. !!

3) I Never will believe that there's any such thing as a geniune provable fair system  .. !!

4)  I'm not entirely convinced about RNG either, but I believe it to be the less of the two evils .. !!

Fair enough, enjoy your blissful ignorance I guess.

Just so your post doesn't confuse other peole:  provably fair is an RNG.  An RNG that you can check for yourself that it's fair, as opposed to other RNGs, that you can't.

 

 

[ismlgl]

Provably Fair is fair, it's just your confirmation bias.

If you were to win, you would not question Provably Fair... but when you lose, you start looking for something to blame, in this case it's the Provably Fair system...

It's random, you can lose 100 bets in a row at a 99% chance of winning but you can win 100 bets in a row on a 1% chance of winning, sure the odds for that are low, but it will at some point happen, and if you are on the winning side, you will not complain so, just realize how it works...

[dupeddonk]

4 minutes ago, ismlgl said:

Provably Fair is fair, it's just your confirmation bias.

If you were to win, you would not question Provably Fair... but when you lose, you start looking for something to blame, in this case it's the Provably Fair system...

It's random, you can lose 100 bets in a row at a 99% chance of winning but you can win 100 bets in a row on a 1% chance of winning, sure the odds for that are low, but it will at some point happen, and if you are on the winning side, you will not complain so, just realize how it works...

It's easier to blame someone else when you lose though.  That has to be the reason some have such a visceral reaction when presented proof that they were not actually cheated.

[ismlgl]

15 minutes ago, dupeddonk said:

It's easier to blame someone else when you lose though.  That has to be the reason some have such a visceral reaction when presented proof that they were not actually cheated.

It's human nature to look for causes and something to blame, can't change much about that, but if you are presented unquestionable proof and facts disproving your takes yet you still believe your theories, then it's not a problem in the system, but in your way of thinking...

[ktinho]

@dupeddonk They can prove it! but they won't!

 

The irony of their claims is definitely not lost on me.

FOR ANYONE READING THIS THREAD  OR ANY THREAD SO FAR ON CONSPIRACY THEORISTS VIEWS ON PROVABLY FAIR:-

• MEMBER CLAIMS SYSTEM OF FAIRNESS IS UNFAIR AND CANNOT BE PROVEN TO BE FAIR!
• MEMBER SAYS IT IS FACTUAL BUT IT IS FAIR TO MAKE THESE CLAIMS AND NOT PROVIDE EVIDENCE TO VERIFY THESE CLAIMS ARE FAIR.
• MEMBER SAYS ANYONE ASKING FOR EVIDENCE ARE STAKE EMPLOYEES.
• MEMBER SAYS IT IS NOT IN THEIR INTERESTS TO PROVIDE SAID EVIDENCE!

 

• IT'S NOT PROVABLY FAIR IT IS PROVABLY UNFAIR BUT I AM NOT GOING TO PROVE IT!

[J-Dawg]

Come on guys, let's be real, this clip sums it up casino modus operandi, and provably fair is just another tool in that kit.
 

from 0:17 of video linked is the reference verbatim from the guys mouth

"Nobody can win we only want losing customers that's it.
They know what advertising works what algorithm works. They know how to maximize their profit which is to get people to lose more and more. It is just rotten to the core.

I was a customer account supervisor at one of the biggest gambling companies in the world. With 21st century technology the punter (punter is Australian slang for gambler) doesn't really know what's going on and behind the scenes there's all this maths going on that analyzes your betting and ensures the company wins.

It will always win.

Customers would be categorized based on their profitability so if a customer lost millions of dollars they would be labeled a VIP and only the best staff would talk to them. But if you were a problem customer that meant that you were winning money so you'd be labelled with a big badge that said that "you're a problem and that needs to be dealt with"

The risk rating is done by an algorithm. It's just how much they've lost against whatever other metrics the companies decided.

The risk rating essentially turns off winners and stops them from betting and cranks up the dial for anybody that's losing so they can lose more and more and more money. It's actually a design feature to ensure that those that lose are allowed to lose more.

So if a customer says something that could indicate they've got a problem with gambling you would just have to go through a series of questions and just "tick tick tick tick tick tick"
That was it."
 
Then skipping to time stamp 3:47, to keep this on topic and concise

"When you realize that the company doesn't care about people makes you feel appalled and sort of disgusted within yourself because you know that you're helping a company harm people and virtually deliberately harm people because the culture is that it's all about revenue. It ruins people's lives, it takes their money,  it ruins their families.

The staff either indoctrinated or miserable.

And then on top of it all it's changed what sport is.

If you're about to get into punting make no mistake about it you can't win. None of these companies will allow you to win in the long run so just don't bother"

So there you have it. Can't really argue with that after some of the behavior we've seen displayed in this thread alone.

No matter who you are, or what your beliefs are, I wish no one any ill will and hope you enjoy your Sunday. If you can't be with the person you love, love the person you're with. G'day

 

 

[ktinho]

6 hours ago, J-Dawg said:

Come on guys, let's be real, this clip sums it up casino modus operandi, and provably fair is just another tool in that kit.
 

from 0:17 of video linked is the reference verbatim from the guys mouth

"Nobody can win we only want losing customers that's it.
They know what advertising works what algorithm works. They know how to maximize their profit which is to get people to lose more and more. It is just rotten to the core.

I was a customer account supervisor at one of the biggest gambling companies in the world. With 21st century technology the punter (punter is Australian slang for gambler) doesn't really know what's going on and behind the scenes there's all this maths going on that analyzes your betting and ensures the company wins.

It will always win.

Customers would be categorized based on their profitability so if a customer lost millions of dollars they would be labeled a VIP and only the best staff would talk to them. But if you were a problem customer that meant that you were winning money so you'd be labelled with a big badge that said that "you're a problem and that needs to be dealt with"

The risk rating is done by an algorithm. It's just how much they've lost against whatever other metrics the companies decided.

The risk rating essentially turns off winners and stops them from betting and cranks up the dial for anybody that's losing so they can lose more and more and more money. It's actually a design feature to ensure that those that lose are allowed to lose more.

So if a customer says something that could indicate they've got a problem with gambling you would just have to go through a series of questions and just "tick tick tick tick tick tick"
That was it."
 
Then skipping to time stamp 3:47, to keep this on topic and concise

"When you realize that the company doesn't care about people makes you feel appalled and sort of disgusted within yourself because you know that you're helping a company harm people and virtually deliberately harm people because the culture is that it's all about revenue. It ruins people's lives, it takes their money,  it ruins their families.

The staff either indoctrinated or miserable.

And then on top of it all it's changed what sport is.

If you're about to get into punting make no mistake about it you can't win. None of these companies will allow you to win in the long run so just don't bother"

So there you have it. Can't really argue with that after some of the behavior we've seen displayed in this thread alone.

No matter who you are, or what your beliefs are, I wish no one any ill will and hope you enjoy your Sunday. If you can't be with the person you love, love the person you're with. G'day

 

 

Again I ask you for factual evidence and not opinion.

 

I know people who are in profit at gambling but they are disciplined and very selective about the bets they place.

I personally don't have that discipline but I play slots and don't expect to 'win'.

As soon as I deposit that money I don't expect to get it back.

I have always compared gambling online to purchasing a vacation/holiday - I can choose the hotel, the location and the price I am willing to pay  BUT I cannot choose the weather!

@J-Dawg If I went online and said the hotel staff had a weather controlling device, ruined my experience, people would think I was nuts.

They would  ask for evidence.

If the 'evidence' I provided them was just videos and comments of a few other people online having similar opinions to myself but not related to the same hotel. I would get laughed at.

If I accused those people who disagree and/or laugh at me of being  paid shills / staff members then I'd end up making myself look worse.

It would definitely be in my interests to show those people the actual physical proof! The moral high ground alone would be enough! Imagine making all those 'shills' 'staff' and others look ridiculous!

[jpismyname]

[ktinho]

8 minutes ago, jpismyname said:

I don't play BJ but if you had 'hit' twice you would total 19? Assuming ace is 1 or 11?

 

[dupeddonk]

2 hours ago, jpismyname said:

When you bet your entire balance in blackjack you increase the house edge since you're removing your option to double or split.  Better off going all in on dice or baccarat or pretty much any other game.

[dollartree1]

7 hours ago, ktinho said:

I have always compared gambling online to purchasing a vacation/holiday - I can choose the hotel, the location and the price I am willing to pay  BUT I cannot choose the weather!

@J-Dawg If I went online and said the hotel staff had a weather controlling device, ruined my experience, people would think I was nuts.

They would  ask for evidence.

If the 'evidence' I provided them was just videos and comments of a few other people online having similar opinions to myself but not related to the same hotel. I would get laughed at.

If I accused those people who disagree and/or laugh at me of being  paid shills / staff members then I'd end up making myself look worse.

It would definitely be in my interests to show those people the actual physical proof! The moral high ground alone would be enough! Imagine making all those 'shills' 'staff' and others look ridiculous!

But ktinho, they HAD to have controlled the weather!  The past 100 years it's only rained an average of 2 days there every year!   And then I, whom the world revolves around, go there and it rains for 7 days straight!!  The day I left? Sunny. If that's not proof enough that they have weather control I don't know what is!  And then to make it worse I went to the front desk and all they said was "Hope the weather improves for you!"   And I know they said it sarcastically, I could just tell.  Then they have the audacity to not refund me, or even give me a free night or 2! 

  Sure, they could use it for making sure crops were always getting rain,  to steer hurricanes away from land, or 1000s of other use cases that would be far more profitable or bring the world to its knees if they wanted, but they use this ground breaking tech to ruin holidays.  And that's not right!  Its so fucked up that hundreds or 1000s of people are in on this, and not even 1 has come forward and be labeled a hero by the entire world!!  I mean I could prove they have this machine and could change the way the entire world works and make millions of dollars in the process...  but I dont have the interest to do it.   But don't worry, I'll still bitch about it and claim it's existence to anyone who will listen.. but again I don't really have any interest in it.  

 

But in reality anyone new who comes here to claim its rigged, just be sure to tell them that @J-Dawgcan prove it is, and if he did all bets ever made would be refunded and the world would finally be sunshine and rainbows.  But....  hes not in the mood.