Merry Xmas, My Tail

[badger]

I dont mind being the bad guy here, so for all of you who feel Stakes 25 Day Advent Games were more of a swift kick in the tail, with crummy rules, where, worst of all you didnt win $#!%, lost money, had minimal fun or possibly frustration and aggravation, and after over 1 full year of devout loyalty and love for Stake, got some coal and Rudolf droppings, i have an idea...

But first, for those of us who play at Stake every single day of our lives, we fully expect, after playing with a site for a year, that we should get some presents. Nothing super fancy, just a little Bitcoin. I have addressed this before, and no one ever listens, pay attention admin please...

The compulsive gamblers that keep your site alive and well, we are blown away, shocked, thrilled, you name it, when any of the sites we play at forks over even 0.001 Btc. I have praised Stake in the past, more than once for its generous email bonuses, weekly challenges, prizes, and all of the awesome things Stake does for the players. Dont you realize that when Stake does things for its users, above what anyone could expect, the word of mouth cc?? for Stake is spread with you doing nothing more than giving people a tiny bit of their money back. That they will lose into Stake without withdrawing. This seems so easy. A little goes a long way is the biggest understatement ever when it comes to giving a drip back to us. Do yourselves a favor, instead of having Stakers out discussing how bad the Xmas Games were, give them what they want, an 8th of a half of a 5th of what they deposited into Stake... Something, anything, anything to make everyone happy af, as opposed to always having what a crappy Christmas "bonus" that was, grrrrr Stake.

This may be redundant, and poorly written, I am super tired and unimpressed. And if I come across as an ungrateful bitch, well, you are incorrect. I know great disappointment when I see it, I dont want to see Stake being bad mouthed for what I will only assume was supposed to be good gambling fun and games for the whole month for everyone, and somehow it wasnt any of that. 

Dear Stake, this year for Christmas, we dont want elaborate challenges and extra games, we just want the best present we ever got when we were kids, a card from grandma that didnt need words, that when we shook it, money fell out, thats all. We are simple creatures that are too easy to please.... Can I check my email now?... Now? Maybe now....

Cc?? Badger

Oh, and if you are saying to yourself, but Badger, theres a lot of users, thats grossly expensive, just dont pay any alt accounts, that will save a fortune ; )

[sahil777]

yeah you are 1000% right badger.

 

they gave away email bonuses in normal days, but nothing at xmas, really nothing, this is really shcoking, even very little sites gaveaway very good prizes.

but nothing from stake which is really shocking and heartbreaking, the site where you play all the time, spending your money and time and then nothing from them even once in a year

at xmas or at new year.

[abebh]

agreed agreed !!! we want mail bonus leave that rigged discord gw 

[bmg]

Very well said Badger.  I agree with you %100.   kudos to you Badger for bring this topic up i love what you had to say.  What you said is the truth.   We all love Stake and appreciate the things they do give back but this christmas was disappointing to say the least but hopefully it won't be next year.

[Shaniqua]

finally... someone in the community who is well respected and known like badger stepping up to the plate and publically voicing their thoughts on such matters...

i 100% agree with you.. 

what pissed me off so much more is the when they (admins) would come into chat and tip massive amounts for trivia or  whatever, or do those streams where random people would end up winning large amounts, whereas us higher wager folks had just the same chances to be included.... i one 0.005 once from these things but.. thats prettty much it.. 

i appreciated the couple coupons i got in the email a lot... if they did that much more often i wouldnt be  here adding to this thread... but.... i dont know..... i know how you feel badger..
ive lost 10s of thousands of dollars here this year and anytime  i ask for a bonus or halp.. im made to feel like  a jerk and never get any of course... at most... a rakeback that is not retroactive.. 

im glad they ended up listening to some and other peoples complaints about how things arent fair  ...  so they made a slight change in discord giveaways.... noe instead of everyone being able to get $5 every hour, they split it up to 3 parts... $1 $2 and$3 , making us have to wait 2 weeks to get to the next lvl (us higher wagers, their money makers....) idk the whole bonus system thing has been such a disapointment from the start... 
always sayin they will have a system in soon once the faucet was reduced... way before wheel alllll that time ago.. they said "daily bonus system to reward loyal  players"  yeah... sure.... word of mouth as you say....  all it is is talk, in their mind im sure its... why fix a system thats not broken... we keep coming back... we keep betting ,.... they have no shortage of wagering players... it seems so anyway... and a lot of money to throw around to fish in new game....

i dont want to get too off topic...

but i gave up midway through the christamas 25 day thing.... once i realized prizes were only  averaging 30k .. and me spending more at times.... and realizing not even gonna qualify once i missed one for th 0.005 in the end... hell i gave up trying even... not wortth the time and energy and it was an insult as well...

instead of thinking it through making wager amounts key role in this whole process. or depo amounts vs wd amounts... somthing.........
they make it allllll equal for everyone .... thats what gets to me most. 

[irawk0]

I agree in the sense that Stake should've increased the Xmas giveaway prizes and the bonus at the end in light of how difficult it was. I also definitely support the rakeback, even for smaller gamblers not just for regular high rollers. However, keep in mind they are a business and are in no way obligated to give out money. 

That being said, I'm extremely disappointed in their Discord prize decrease. I thought more tiers meant additional $5 giveaway every tier but the reduction to $1 made it pretty much pointless to actually participate anymore IMO.

[badger]

I think they overlooked the fact that high rollers always win wagering contests. So to have a prize pool for the most wagered, that is great for players that already have a fair amount of btc to be able to win with. So the average player is burnt there. The deposit/wd percentage or ratio amount, per player numbers, is the only fairish way to do that.  ^^^ What you said, lol.

Dont those non retroactive rakebacks piss u off the most. Youve lost all your coin, you know, and they know, you wont be depositing sheet for a week, ugh. 

Ive never forgotten Stake is a business, there to make money. Thats great. Player incentive and reward programs are so competitive in real life, I would give a lot to see that fierce war for players online. Giving back to players, based on their time and money, is just as good for the casino. That is why they do it. 

....

 

[badger]

Dont forget that you lose (or win) when you participate in Stakes challenges. They do pay out prizes, but players lose when completing them, so this isnt generosity on Stakes Part. 

[Owly]

I like how 'old' players always come to this - when they start thinking that they can demand something 

[badger]

Nobody demanded anything. 

There were a lot of disappointed players. Whether it is right or wrong, people have expectations. 

But tell me what I have demanded, Id love to know

[sahil777]

it is not a demand this is real innocent wish for some day like xmas or new year when, a person who love the place where he/she spend time and money

and enjoying the moments with their friends.

i dont think she raise this topic at any other site, but only here.

 

why ??? because she love to be here, she love to play games here like we all do.

 

so we can expect something also from the site, when its time of celebrating and presents and prizes all over the world, then why not here.

[Faris]

On 12/29/2018 at 5:17 PM, Owly said:

I like how 'old' players always come to this - when they start thinking that they can demand something 

we can request something or giving any ideas about giveaways and challanges! because this is our right. Customers always important everywhere

[rohofficial]

agreed badgiee there should be atleast something on christmas days ..hope to see something in the end of december

[Faris]

When I see email on my spam folder from Brais, it makes me happy.   

[Faris]

And we must not forget the efforts of support members..  Mebit❤️

[badger]

I love Stake. Everybody knows that. And even when I disagree, disagree strongly, or even dislike Dan, I still love Stake. 

I did not play any of the Xmas challenge games, I saw the ghost mode off for the what sounded like the entire 25 day. If it was that long or not, I couldnt imagine why you wouldnt just need to post your winning bet ID not in ghost mode, and then do whatever you want, ghost mode or not. 

So I personally was not disappointed. I heard from other people it sucked, high rollers won, like always, and the average player really got next to nothing, or lost, and as far as anything fun or anything that felt like a Christmas present or anything even fun, what anyone with any expectation of what Stake might do, cuz its Xmas, or hoped Stake would do, cuz Stake does really great bonus things, it was very disappointing. Thats all I was sayin. 

And c? for Stake Support, *laughs*, Faris, please, c? them to death. And I have been far more busy than usual this month, so I didnt even see what 90% of the games were, but I know Support did a TON of work getting all of the challenges organized, and without knowing how any of it really transpired, Support did a fantastic job pulling it together, like they always do.

[wry]

11 minutes ago, badger said:

And even when I disagree, disagree strongly, or even dislike Dan, I still love Stake. 

I had to LOL when I saw that!

Speaking as someone who did slog through all the challenges I'm thinking your general point - how to reward behaviors that help Stake - is an important one that the site continues to work on.  Having done all the challenges, I'm not sure I love Stake any more than before, but I'm not sure the time I spent on them was the best decision.  That is not a criticism of supports who were great and worked really hard to come up with creative thematic challenges, it's a criticism of me.

The thing I always keep in mind with Stake and their rewards, of all forms, is the huge array they have.  If you didn't do the challenges, there's discord (which I hate), or rainbot, or tips from supports, or some random Steve contest (I voted for you @badger!), or posting on this forum.  Maybe an emailed coupon would have done better at hitting everyone AND made us all love Stake more, how to give away the Christmas 1.5 BTC bonus is an interesting question. 

I guess what would help them the most is seeing what you would advise?  If you had 1.5 BTC budget for Stake Christmas challenge, how would you give it out?  You need to be specific, for example you can't just say don't give it to alts, that's one of the things a good promotion has to avoid but you can't just say that and have it be alt resistant.  Maybe just a flat rake back is best?  I don't know, since I like chat I like chat rewards, so that's my bias.  Because, as you know....

6 hours ago, badger said:

Something, anything, anything to make everyone happy af,

Is just not possible!

Keep the posts coming @badger I always love hearing your thoughts!

[Guest]

More free funds, really? How ungrateful of all of you. Let me summarize something:

- free faucet

- rainbot

- mods' tips

- support's tips

- weekly challenges

- daily challenges for Christmas

- Steve's giveaways

- forum rewarding system

- discord

- email bonuses

- rakeback

- races.

You are all highly illiterate when it comes to reading the challenges' rules, but you are soooo literate when you are spamming the forum in order to get satoshis for that.

Badger, who won how many btcs here? Who came to support to ask for bonuses how many times?

Shaniqua, on how many accounts do you have rakebacks again? How many funds have you got from forum so far? You know, freelancers are less paid for writing articles then you are paid here on forum.

bmg, how many tips you and your husband have received from all of us? And how many times you have won big amounts here? 

Very, very ungrateful from all of you. We've been preparing a NY's eve special as well, but now I'm not really sure if it's worth the effort. 

[badger]

I was hoping you would reply.

My post wasnt to offer advices as much as it was inform Stake that their Christmas "party" wasnt great, and some players were besmirchful (pretty sure not a real word, not totally sure) of Stake. As non constructive as being critical without offering a specific thought or possible solution, thats what it was. I did throw out, send Btc, that makes everyone happy. But Im aware that isnt necessarily practical or a fair solution, proper.

Which reminds me, I have another post to post...

Much c? wryy : ) 

See, I addressed the ungrateful bitch aspect, because I know how it looks...

But that isnt my intention, we are all allowed to express disappointment, totally separate from knowing how generous Stake is.

No one that I know of has ever said Stake is a bunch of greedy jerks, they need to give us free stuff.

I only said that if there is ever a time that we can say free stuff free stuuf, its Christmas day. And when the free stuff comes, and we lose trying to win the challenges that pay a prize that is less than we wagered to win, and the 1.5 btc prize pool goes to high rollers, well, we feel disappointed that we didnt get what we wanted, on the one day we can maybe get it. 

Thats all Irena. We all know that Stake is far more giving to players than most sites put together. 

One has nothing to do with the other Irena. We could win a billion btc at Stake and still not like the way something turns out. And the forum is here so anyone can express what they think and how they feel in an objective environment, that good or bad, is an opinion that can be voiced openly. This is the beauty of forums.

If it were my gaming establishment, I would want honest feedback from users so I could have a better gaugeof what people like and what will keep them happier, than unhappy. 

 

[Darko]

1 hour ago, badger said:

I heard from other people it sucked, high rollers won, like always, and the average player really got next to nothing, or lost

Amount of people who managed to complete challenges on daily bases was between 100-200. In the end 45 users managed to complete all of them. Minimum bet for every challenge was 100 satoshis or equivalent in other coins. So what high rollers are you talking about? Not a single one was based on bigger wager requirement and in the end I am pretty sure that almost all players ended in profit.

Hopefully you will join future challenges. Or maybe admins will decide to send coupons with free money weekly to all players who deposited/wagered a lot and we can stop with current reward system.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, badger said:

And when the free stuff comes, and we lose trying to win the challenges that pay a prize that is less than we wagered to win, and the 1.5 btc prize pool goes to high rollers, well, we feel disappointed that we didnt get what we wanted, on the one day we can maybe get it. 

Take a moment and think about this again. Take a look at the final list of users that got 500k bonus. Not a single person is a high roller. All of them were regular players. Also, there wasn't a single tier challenge, so this what you are saying here is not the truth. There were challenges that could be finished in a few minutes, some needed a bit more rolling, but I'm sure all of the participants were in a good profit after.

[badger]

I will gladly admit that I am only writing this based on what i heard. Which normally is not the smart way to go about things especially when you are going to a forum to express your feelings. Fortunately for me, facts, figures, and actual payouts are of no consequence to me or what I have to say, as I have not addressed any specifics of who won what, that was not my objective saying something. I could have been told anything in the world about who won what, high rollers, losers, break even, people felt scammed or that they won more than they expected, any possible possibility could have been said, true or not. 

All I heard from anyone that said anything, was disappointment, and for the reasons they said.

If what they said to me was skewed because they were upset that they lost, or even a straight lie, doesnt matter. I know people dont lie about being disappointed. People lie about facts, figures, things that are provable, generally, one way or another. But people dont lie about their feelings when it comes to something like this. No one is going to say, Badger, that was the most incredible Xmas thing ever, when it wasnt. And they wont say, Badger, that was the worst Xmas thing ever, if it wasnt. Anything that was said to me, came from a place where money doesnt matter.  Bringing up all of Stakes Rewards and Incentives, Faucets, Rainbots, and Giveaways, that does absolutely nothing. Nobody is upset or hurt at the Rainbot, or mad at Steve for his giveaways, nobody said I only won "x" amount, so it sucked, or Sam won everything, so it sucked. They merely expressed general disappointment, I wanted to throw out my 1.5 cents because I hadnt heard one good or close to good thing about the Christmas games... I think Ive beat that one to death to the f-ing max, ugh.

 

Ooooo, did I manage to spam 0.00005 satoshis out of the forum by spending over an hour on this post. Sweet fuck, if players are going to be straight called out as a spammer on the forum, when the are doing nothing but saying what they want on a platform not only created for people to say anything, but offers a tiny monetary incentive, where you can spend over an hour writing and receive 18 cents for all of your time, but sats are offered to encourage peoples involvement and continued growth of the forum, and to assume that attempted proper articulation is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to get that extra 2 cents out of the forum... I got nuthin to say. Irena, you honestly think the 2-20 cent post range is what prompted this post? Or that anyone posts on the forum, outside of the one line replys, we all know what spam looks like, if you think Shaniqua or I or anyone that posts regularly, with decent enough or better than good content, is here for 14 cents and feels their time is worth nothing more than that, but gives their time contributing to the forum despite the fact it pays pennies, pennies that nobody asked Stake to give, I think I will spend my time somewhere else, making nothing, but not giving my time to somewhere that thinks my contribution is derived spam, lmao, for the sole purpose of making 2 dimes, when we would have done it for free.

[meggiemegs]

Well I completed all of the 25 challenges and I am a regular player I def did profit more then I lost and the only times I lost while going for a challenge was my own fault for going for profit instead of the objective I did not count a total of how much I won but I am pretty sure it is close to 1.5 mill sats with the 500k bonus. I was happy with the 25 advent challenge even tho the 25.12 dice almost killed me Thank you to the staff for putting this together.

[williamshennie9]

I did lose money overall on the challenges, but I managed to complete them all, so I think I will make a slight profit with the whole event  I did enjoy it for the most part, I must admit

[irawk0]

2 hours ago, Irena said:

Very, very ungrateful from all of you. We've been preparing a NY's eve special as well, but now I'm not really sure if it's worth the effort. 

Irena I'm grateful! Well not the part about Discord (I do understand where it's coming from, I'm just noob at Discord in general and don't know how to get invites lol), but everything else  I think I can suggest something that makes Badger/most people happier though, which is to cut down (yes that's right, even less free money) on giveaways during the rest of the year, but have more (specifically email coupons I guess) giveaways on Christmas. 

Reminds me of a saying I heard a VERY long time ago, of a doctor who had a dozen monkeys in his lab who understands English. One day the doctor said, "due to financial difficulty, we're going to have to budget your treats down to 3 nuts in the morning and 5 in the evening." All the monkeys were enraged and threw a tantrum nearly collapsing the laboratory. Seeing this, the doctor hastily corrected himself: "Ok, how about 5 nuts in the morning and 3 in the evening?" Upon hearing that all the monkeys grew much happier.

I'm paraphrasing I think, hope you understand what that meant lol.